Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Ishtar]

“Disney drones all seem to agree that they hate aliens because they somehow undermine "real diversity".

These people are uninspired humanist idiots who have repeatedly said that they only want star wars to mimic real life rather than have fun or unique stories or even actual pulp tributes despite being a freaking SPACE OPERA and pulp homage set in an alien setting, not a historical or political retelling. Hence why you now have trans rights activism on Chandrila, 40% of the galaxy being queer and the new main reason people rebelled against the evil Empire being due to the outlaw of gay marriage and not because they committed mass planetary genocide, among other atrocities.”

I recall seeing a Twitter thread where Halo fans were complaining about humans in the covenant, and someone said “well humans are real!”

Why the immediate response to that is “it’s sci fi, moron”, I think their reasoning is something along the lines of-fiction should impart some sort of message, and “IU” logic and justification is not really important, advancing the right political views are.

If you see any form of media as having this requirement, then having a fleshed out secondary world(to use Tolkien’s term) is something of an impediment, perhaps even an obstacle towards social activism.

For this reason-it’s important to have blacks and gays and whatever, having fictional species or races-simply prevents representation of “real” people and thus doesn’t advance the message.

 

[Creep3r]

“Disney drones all seem to agree that they hate aliens because they somehow undermine "real diversity".

These people are uninspired humanist idiots who have repeatedly said that they only want star wars to mimic real life rather than have fun or unique stories or even actual pulp tributes despite being a freaking SPACE OPERA and pulp homage set in an alien setting, not a historical or political retelling. Hence why you now have trans rights activism on Chandrila, 40% of the galaxy being queer and the new main reason people rebelled against the evil Empire being due to the outlaw of gay marriage and not because they committed mass planetary genocide, among other atrocities.”

I recall seeing a Twitter thread where Halo fans were complaining about humans in the covenant, and someone said “well humans are real!”

Why the immediate response to that is “it’s sci fi, moron”, I think their reasoning is something along the lines of-fiction should impart some sort of message, and “IU” logic and justification is not really important, advancing the right political views are.

If you see any form of media as having this requirement, then having a fleshed out secondary world(to use Tolkien’s term) is something of an impediment, perhaps even an obstacle towards social activism.

For this reason-it’s important to have blacks and gays and whatever, having fictional species or races-simply prevents representation of “real” people and thus doesn’t advance the message.

My kingdom for a reply button.

And yeah, aside from Star Wars, it seems Halo and Tolkien's mythos are the latest victims of this moronic mentality as well that takes away from what makes their settings unique and memorable while doing away with pre-established lore for the sake of a pointless message even though there are far better ways to achieve some nonsensical inclusion quota while still working within the parameters set forth by the setting. Imagine, not just a human in the Covenant but seemingly lording over the Prophets. jfc

Reminds me of something Tolkien once said.

“I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.”​

― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

 

[Godzilla@1989]

My kingdom for a quote button.

And yeah, aside from Star Wars, it seems Halo and Tolkien's mythos are the latest victims of this moronic mentality as well that takes away from what makes their settings unique and memorable while doing away with pre-established lore for the sake of a pointless message and there being far better ways to achieve some nonsensical inclusion quota while still working within the parameters set forth by the setting. Imagine, not just a human in the Covenant but seemingly lording over the Prophets. jfc

Reminds me of something Tolkien once said.

“I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.”​

― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

Man I miss Tolkien. He’d be embarrassed at the state of life right now.

 

[Sneed F91]

I think Star Trek 2009 alone is why JJ was hired. And Star Wars was going to get raped no matter who the director was after Disney owned it.

Correct. Disney saw what JJ did to Star Trek and told him to do the exact same thing with Star Wars, that's how we got TFA. You're right that no matter who directed Episode 7 the likelihood of it not sucking would have been extremely slim thanks to the restrictions Disney and Kennedyfilm put on the movie to make it how they wanted it to be while rushing a 2015 release date.

But like I said some pages back, I wish RLM would give some real closure to SW since that was what made them so popular.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around their response to the Disney movies after they shat all over the PT for having some of the exact same flaws (bad writing, etc). Mike and Rich being Trekkies is fine but it's obvious they don't give a shit about Star Wars anymore and know dick about it past the OT. Yet for some god forsaken reason they're seen as experts on the entire franchise. Maybe it's for the best that they just stop talking about it now because they clearly don't care and you'd be able to tell if they made more videos about it.

The spergy shit that happened in the RLM thread is proof of how much people rather sperg than just say "Star Trek is left wing". I can only image how bad it is with actual normies.

I'm curious. I don't watch RLM anymore, what happened in the thread?
@The Gangster Computer

These people are uninspired humanist idiots who have repeatedly said that they only want star wars to mimic real life rather than have fun or unique stories or even actual pulp tributes despite being a freaking SPACE OPERA and pulp homage set in an alien setting, not a historical or political retelling. Hence why you now have trans rights activism on Chandrila, 40% of the galaxy being queer and the new main reason people rebelled against the evil Empire being due to the outlaw of gay marriage and not because they committed mass planetary genocide, among other atrocities.”

The people in charge of these franchises are total narcissists obsessed with seeing themselves in fiction instead of something new and fantastical. They're so fucking autistic they cannot relate to a character unless they're just like them in every way. Why else would a young straight white male like Luke Skywalker piss them off so much?

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Sorry to point this out, but no one is getting red pilled or whatever from RLM reviews.

The only part of their content I've been "red-pilled" on is how consistently wrong RLM is about Star Wars.

The old EU had a good story (for the most part) of what happened to all of them, but Disney couldn't have anything even half as good/happy as that happen.

Indeed.

ROTJ is my uncontested favorite of the OT, and I like the ending plenty...but very few things have been as cathartic and wholly satisfying as the ending to Luke, Han and Leia's adventures in Crucible. That final scene where they're at the cantina table, and they pass the torch to the new heroes, and gives us one last glimpse at that generation--happy, fulfilled, and with a legacy left behind--nearly made me well up emotionally.

That's one of the reasons I've come out mostly unharmed in this Disney era; because my perfect ending already happened in another, superior timeline....closed off, and free from any more meddling.

And no Mouse or tard CEO can take that from me.

 

[Sneeds_Sniggerly]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around their response to the Disney movies after they shat all over the PT for having some of the exact same flaws (bad writing, etc). Mike and Rich being Trekkies is fine but it's obvious they don't give a shit about Star Wars anymore and know dick about it past the OT. Yet for some god forsaken reason they're seen as experts on the entire franchise. Maybe it's for the best that they just stop talking about it now because they clearly don't care and you'd be able to tell if they made more videos about it.

It's pretty simple. RLM got big not because Mike was saying new things about the PT but HOW he did it was fresh and funny. The issue is that so many retards have tried to ripoff BOTH Mr Plinkit and Half in the Bag. MauLer/EFAP is the best example of that.

I'm curious. I don't watch RLM anymore, what happened in the thread?

TL;DR I was popping cope bubbles about RLM themselves being 90s liberals (not exactly a big secret) and said that's likely why they don't go hard on all the extremely left wing shit in nu-Trek. I also made comments like how I wish they'd go into detail about how retarded the government/politics of the evil Drumpf future is because it's some "fascist confederacy" which would be like having a "monarchal democracy". This was enough to get people (mainly just a few turbo spergs) to cry and cope about my posts, then just bitch that I was bringing up politics. Someone bringing up politics when talking about nu-Trek? Crazy of me, I know. I mean, it's not like modern lefty politics are everywhere in it. I have repented though lol. It was pretty weird.

And yeah, aside from Star Wars, it seems Halo and Tolkien's mythos are the latest victims of this moronic mentality as well that takes away from what makes their settings unique and memorable while doing away with pre-established lore for the sake of a pointless message even though there are far better ways to achieve some nonsensical inclusion quota while still working within the parameters set forth by the setting. Imagine, not just a human in the Covenant but seemingly lording over the Prophets. jfc

Reminds me of something Tolkien once said.

“I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.”​

― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

This is another example of WHY things are fucked and why I'll keep bringing it up until the gay coping/consoooooooming is done. There's a reason it's always the same formula: turn White character non-White (mainly turning them Black), turn women gay/bi, turn male characters into girls, turning whatever strong male leads they have not turned gay/into a women into a pussy that's "in touch with his feelings", and more and more forcing trans shit in too. I could go on if I wanted to. Until people say what the issues are and why, this will never end.

Star Wars, Star Trek, Dune, Ghostbusters, Terminator, DC, Marvel, Halo and so and so on. Every beloved story/setting will be ruined because of (((WOKE))) bullshit.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Man I miss Tolkien. He’d be embarrassed at the state of life right now.

He'd probably turn into Peter Hitchens and be completely blackpilled about the state of the Catholic Church.

 

[Ghostse]

ROTJ ending shown the Rebellion winning one important battle. While the entirety of the Empire military might is still completely intact. Including Death Squadron minus the Executor and a few star destroyers still nearby. Which the original ending of ROTJ ends fits Orwell's quote of "If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story."

Even the stupid ST set up could have been fine if they hadn't gone out of their way to make the OT cast all a bunch of cucked out failures.

As you said, they won (very critical) battle, and like in the EU, the Empire is pushed back to rump state and the Republic loses the will to engage in the needed high-cost final battles against the hold outs, opting instead for treaties and lines. Then a reunited and rejuvenated Empire under snoke comes back, the Republic initially too cucked out counter.

You can still have Han and Leia being a couple, have Luke running an order of jedi trainees, and also do your lazy ANH reboot. Plus if you have Sith forces under Snoke, you can have cool large-scale force battles.

But instead they had to go out of their way to shit on the OT.

 

[HandsomeDan]

“Disney drones all seem to agree that they hate aliens because they somehow undermine "real diversity".

These people are uninspired humanist idiots who have repeatedly said that they only want star wars to mimic real life rather than have fun or unique stories or even actual pulp tributes despite being a freaking SPACE OPERA and pulp homage set in an alien setting, not a historical or political retelling. Hence why you now have trans rights activism on Chandrila, 40% of the galaxy being queer and the new main reason people rebelled against the evil Empire being due to the outlaw of gay marriage and not because they committed mass planetary genocide, among other atrocities.”

I recall seeing a Twitter thread where Halo fans were complaining about humans in the covenant, and someone said “well humans are real!”

Why the immediate response to that is “it’s sci fi, moron”, I think their reasoning is something along the lines of-fiction should impart some sort of message, and “IU” logic and justification is not really important, advancing the right political views are.

If you see any form of media as having this requirement, then having a fleshed out secondary world(to use Tolkien’s term) is something of an impediment, perhaps even an obstacle towards social activism.

For this reason-it’s important to have blacks and gays and whatever, having fictional species or races-simply prevents representation of “real” people and thus doesn’t advance the message.

Hence why you now have trans rights activism on Chandrila, 40% of the galaxy being queer and the new main reason people rebelled against the evil Empire being due to the outlaw of gay marriage and not because they committed mass planetary genocide

What in the name of hell is this... is this actually what they are saying now?

 

[Ishtar]

Hence why you now have trans rights activism on Chandrila, 40% of the galaxy being queer and the new main reason people rebelled against the evil Empire being due to the outlaw of gay marriage and not because they committed mass planetary genocide

What in the name of hell is this... is this actually what they are saying now?

Whut?

I thought in the aftermath trilogy the empire was fine with gay stuff, not banging aliens? Chuck Wendig said as much.

But I’m not surprised.

 

[Creep3r]

Hence why you now have trans rights activism on Chandrila, 40% of the galaxy being queer and the new main reason people rebelled against the evil Empire being due to the outlaw of gay marriage and not because they committed mass planetary genocide

What in the name of hell is this... is this actually what they are saying now?

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/star-w...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-11648837

Whut?

I thought in the aftermath trilogy the empire was fine with gay stuff, not banging aliens? Chuck Wendig said as much.

But I’m not surprised.

In the Aftermath trilogy they hated fags and it was the main reason Chuck's ex-imperial characters rebelled, but in the Paul S. Kemp novel released like 3 months before Chuck's crap, Paul S. Kemp's book mentioned that his imperial lesbian character was married and bragged about inclusiveness in fiction on twitter (despite that the character was evil and a borderline pedo); and despite Chucky blatantly ignoring Kemp's disney book (and being one of the earliest examples of how bullshit the arguments were that disney's new canon would be more consistent than the old one), Kemp still defended his sorry soy ass and demonized any fans who dared to talk smack about Wendig or his godawful books because Chuck successfully formed a protective barrier around himself made up of "-isms" and "-phobic" buzzwords.

I'll always appreciate Kemp's old works but the guy is a fucking douche who cares more about his ideals than the fact that some bearded blowhard made a trash novel or that people weren't liking the direction disney was heading in.

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If you want a full analysis of all the details and terrible ideas in Chuck's books and the lore that keeps following them then I suggest you check out the review that @AnimeGirlConnoisseur has been sharing on the subject.

Its been getting a surprising amount of attention and it couldn't have come at a better time what with the sudden rise in redditors trying to use the resurgence of Mr. Bones to shill Chuck's garbage.

 

[King Dead]

That was a reply to my post

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/star-w...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-11648837

In the Aftermath trilogy they hated fags and it was the main reason Chuck's ex-imperial characters rebelled, but in the Paul S. Kemp novel released like 3 months before Chuck's crap, Paul S. Kemp's book mentioned that his imperial lesbian character was married and bragged about inclusiveness in fiction on twitter (despite that the character was evil and a borderline pedo); and despite Chucky blatantly ignoring Kemp's disney book, Kemp still defended his sorry soy ass and demonized any fans who dared to talk smack about Wendig or his godawful books because Chuck successfully formed a protective barrier around himself made up of "-isms" and "-phobic" buzzwords.

I'll always appreciate Kemp's old works but the guy is a fucking douche who cares more about his ideals than the fact that some bearded blowhard made a trash novel or that people weren't liking the direction disney was heading in.

If you want a full analysis of all the details and terrible ideas in Chuck's books and the lore that keeps following them then I suggest you check out the review that @AnimeGirlConnoisseur has been sharing on the subject.

Its been getting a surprising amount of attention and it couldn't have come at a better time what with the sudden rise in redditors trying to use the resurgence of Mr. Bones to shill Chuck's garbage.

I don't blame Krimson for needing a break before even thinking about tackling the other two books in the trilogy. I mentioned it in ol' Chucky Wucky's thread, but it really is flabbergasting that a book written so incompetently was not only published, it was also tied to one of the biggest IPs in entertainment and used as the foundation for everything to come afterward.

I was also a bit worried that Krimson was giving Mr. Bones so much praise since it's just a poor man's HK-47, and I thought he was completely unaware of the latter's existence as he did mention he wasn't an EU turbo-autist. But he did include a clip of HK from KOTOR, so he at least heard about the superior homicidal droid. Hope someone recommends he give the game a playthrough so he can get the full experience.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

“Disney drones all seem to agree that they hate aliens because they somehow undermine "real diversity".

These people are uninspired humanist idiots who have repeatedly said that they only want star wars to mimic real life rather than have fun or unique stories or even actual pulp tributes despite being a freaking SPACE OPERA and pulp homage set in an alien setting, not a historical or political retelling. Hence why you now have trans rights activism on Chandrila, 40% of the galaxy being queer and the new main reason people rebelled against the evil Empire being due to the outlaw of gay marriage and not because they committed mass planetary genocide, among other atrocities.”

I miss public floggings.

 

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of course the strong black woman inquisitor isn't actually evil, ughhhhh

 

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of course the strong black woman inquisitor isn't actually evil, ughhhhh

The thing that is annoying is how obvious it all is. This is what people who call fans toxic, racist, misogynist and so forth don't seem to get. We can immediately see the thinking behind the scenes with woke writing. It's boring and lame because it's predictable. It's always going through the same motions. The woke mindset always makes the same choices and comes to the same conclusions.

Yet the morons just claim people don't like it because of diverse and female characters. Even though the people annoyed by it can enjoy those types of characters when it's not written with the woke mindset, which we can instantly recognise by it not making the same woke choices in the writing.

March 10th after watching the trailer.

So now that we're getting black, female imperials. What's the chance they're actually good people?

 

[Sneed F91]

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of course the strong black woman inquisitor isn't actually evil, ughhhhh

So the gist of this seems like she'll be ebil for one entire episode but the twist will reveal that she's not actually a bad guy, she was taken from her family and bullied for being black and female. Obi Wan will fight her but will get his ass kicked, then kneel and admit that he was wrong to do so, and that she's strong and brave female Jedi who's better than him in every way.

This shit is just tiring. The sad thing is people are still gonna simp for this show just because Ewan's in it (and it's fuckin Star Wars) and watch it all the way through even if it sucks. Some of those people are in the thread right now.

 

[Creep3r]

I don't blame Krimson for needing a break before even thinking about tackling the other two books in the trilogy. I mentioned it in ol' Chucky Wucky's thread, but it really is flabbergasting that a book written so incompetently was not only published, it was also tied to one of the biggest IPs in entertainment and used as the foundation for everything to come afterward.

I was also a bit worried that Krimson was giving Mr. Bones so much praise since it's just a poor man's HK-47, and I thought he was completely unaware of the latter's existence as he did mention he wasn't an EU turbo-autist. But he did include a clip of HK from KOTOR, so he at least heard about the superior homicidal droid. Hope someone recommends he give the game a playthrough so he can get the full experience.

That and him mistaking Rae 'Skunkhair' Sloane and SWT's deceitful clips for pre-disney content. Plus defending Chuck's shamelessly dumb 'mother-insert' (its as awkward as it sounds) Nora who he retconned as the Y-wing pilot that protected Lando despite ROTJ showing all the Y-Wing pilots (none of which were a 50 year old woman that Wedge wanted to fuck) and its behind-the-scenes book by JW Rinzler further confirming that Timothy Sinclair, Eiji Kusuhara and Erroll Shaker were the sole actors who played the characters that piloted the Y-Wings (Salm, Telsij and Yong).

But these and a few other things are understandable since he admitted he doesn't really know much about star wars outside of the OT, Genndy's Clone Wars and the Thrawn Trilogy and he does follow it up by mocking their flaws relentlessly thereafter, that and his video is probably the only comprehensive critique of Chuck's crap.

So the gist of this seems like she'll be ebil for one entire episode but the twist will reveal that she's not actually a bad guy, she was taken from her family and bullied for being black and female. Obi Wan will fight her but will get his ass kicked, then kneel and admit that he was wrong to do so, and that she's strong and brave female Jedi who's better than him in every way.

This shit is just tiring. The sad thing is people are still gonna simp for this show just because Ewan's in it (and it's fuckin Star Wars) and watch it all the way through even if it sucks. Some of those people are in the thread right now.

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I can't remember when but I remember someone in this thread predicting this happening word for word like a year or two or go. Some poor black imperial or scoundrel turns good and becomes Obi-Wan's guide or protector and then proceeds to hog the spotlight. I'm not even shocked yet there will still be monkeys who will defend this crap because of the Aladdin Rebels and Filoni Wars references alone. Bonus consoomer points for Baby Yoda and Ahsoka cameos.

 

[HandsomeDan]

...so Obi Wan will be leaving Tatooine in this series, this will be great.

Virtuous black female Imperial who will save the day.

How can I possibly miss this exciting series!

 

[Imperial Citizen]

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of course the strong black woman inquisitor isn't actually evil, ughhhhh

No doubt that there’s a desire to have the minority character end up being the good guy, but going by the description of her backstory, it doesn’t sound off brand for a Dark Jedi character. Tried to be evil, has too much good in her which stops her from being evil, sacrifices herself to save Obi-Wan or stops the other villains but doesn’t kill them and flees to be used in another show. Her actions show Obi-Wan that the bad guys can be redeemed or defeated and he returns to Tatooine ready to train Luke when the time comes. Basic tier plot.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

has too much good in her which stops her from being evil

Well, the proven leaks mentions her being known for some pretty evil shit, so...