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Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread
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A_throwaway_name62919
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Ran across this on social media:
Unless I'm mistaken, it's the current composition of the Black Sea Fleet. The X'ed out ships are the ones that Ukraine has sunk. I believe the one in the top left is the Moscova. So the Moscova was one of the largest ships that Russia had in the Black Sea, and presumably one of the more capable ones. No, it by itself being sunk isn't going to turn the tide. But it's a measurable reduction in the capability of Russia's Black Sea fleet. And if it was indeed Ukraine that did it, which seems kind of likely at this point, then they don't have to repeat it all that many times to gut the Black Sea fleet.
So now Russia has to decide if they want to pull their ships back to a safer distance, which in turn reduces those ships ability to perform the mission they were performing. If they don't pull it back and Ukraine sinks enough ships, they'll basically lift the naval blockade on Ukraine. Yeah Russia has an air base in Sevastopol, and presumably some other air defenses scattered across Crimea. But airpower isn't exactly ideal for enforcing a navel blockade, and putting planes in the air to do so would expose them to Ukrainian AA in turn. And if Ukraine because willing to openly bomb territory that Russia claims at its own, it'd probably be not that difficult to neutralize Crimea's AA capability given where they are in Russia's supply chain.
All told, no the Moscova sinking isn't something decisive by itself. However if Ukraine is responsible, it does represent something that can snowball to something significant. So maybe don't be so dismissive of it until we're sure Ukraine isn't going to start crossing other ships off the list.
Unless I'm mistaken, it's the current composition of the Black Sea Fleet. The X'ed out ships are the ones that Ukraine has sunk. I believe the one in the top left is the Moscova. So the Moscova was one of the largest ships that Russia had in the Black Sea, and presumably one of the more capable ones. No, it by itself being sunk isn't going to turn the tide. But it's a measurable reduction in the capability of Russia's Black Sea fleet. And if it was indeed Ukraine that did it, which seems kind of likely at this point, then they don't have to repeat it all that many times to gut the Black Sea fleet.
So now Russia has to decide if they want to pull their ships back to a safer distance, which in turn reduces those ships ability to perform the mission they were performing. If they don't pull it back and Ukraine sinks enough ships, they'll basically lift the naval blockade on Ukraine. Yeah Russia has an air base in Sevastopol, and presumably some other air defenses scattered across Crimea. But airpower isn't exactly ideal for enforcing a navel blockade, and putting planes in the air to do so would expose them to Ukrainian AA in turn. And if Ukraine because willing to openly bomb territory that Russia claims at its own, it'd probably be not that difficult to neutralize Crimea's AA capability given where they are in Russia's supply chain.
All told, no the Moscova sinking isn't something decisive by itself. However if Ukraine is responsible, it does represent something that can snowball to something significant. So maybe don't be so dismissive of it until we're sure Ukraine isn't going to start crossing other ships off the list.
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Dude sounds based as fuck. Hopefully he can bring us some more content.
The politicalsperging has made this thread trash for the past few weeks. I have been reduced to reading ralph threads its been so bad
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>Butcher of Syria
I take pretty much anything Jew News says about Syria with a massive grain of salt, but regardless. The situation in Syria was absolutely a situation where the more humanitarian choice was to eliminate ISIS as swiftly as possible even if that meant more civilian casualties. Things like the chemical weapons shit were a lie, but what's often lost in the sauce is that even if Assad had used them, and some civilians got caught in the crossfire, that was absolutely preferable to letting ISIS continue to occupy territory since they were dead set on exterminating pretty much everyone.
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Unironically I'd be more scared by a dude with the Ass Bandit nickname than the Butcher nickname. With a Butcher you generally know what your in for. Ass Bandit, not so much.
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Every time Russia loses a war, Ukraine's borders get a little smaller.
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So did we ever definitively find out what happened in Bucha?
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The Butcher of Bucha raped and murdered millions of Ukrainian women and children with poison gas. He just may get away with it too as he had the mobile crematoriums running 24/7.
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Thank G*d for the Mapleniggers getting to the bottom of this mystery for us.
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Why do these massacres never have any footage at all of it happening? There are drones filming around Ukraine, mobile recordings with civs and even soilders filming shit.
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Personally I'm sort of torn on this. On the one hand I dislike monuments and suchlike being defaced, particularly with faggy propaganda, but on the other; I hate commies and I don't like that those monuments are there to begin with. The statue is aesthetically pleasing though, despite its subject matter.
Not really sure how to feel.
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nope. she was designed to launch massive plane sized anti-ship cruise missiles that were all the soviet rage in the 1970s. She was capable against just the right target, but more of a parade float than a useful warship against what has being the thing for the last two decades.
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For some reason can see Ukrainian aviation paying a return visit to certain places in Russia.
Vlad really needs to declare victory and leave. The Ukrainians simply will not quit. The Lend-Lease will just grow, the Ukrainian people's morale improves with each successful action, such as the sinking of the Moskva.
Believe Putin's actions will eventually hurt Russia more than they have hurt Ukraine. He's turned his country into a pariah nation. Putin's conventional military has done poorly and given the lie to their supposedly high quality. Sanctions starting to bite, Russians at home having problems getting certain medications.
Vlad, just pull your troops back to some defensible line, stop the other attacks, and offer a Korean-style armistice. Maybe the Ukrainians will agree. At the rate you are going, sooner or later you'll see major pushback at home from all the families who have lost loved ones for nothing. This isn't my namesake's Russia.
And at the rate things are going, can see this thread active for a very long time, far longer than I believe we'd like.
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Yeah I don't really buy the feint cope tbh. It seems more likely the Russians weren't expecting Ukraine to put up as much of a fight and planned for occupation of the capital and to behead the ruling body while also giving the Russians a means to sweep in from the west and surround the Ukraine's forces in the east only for priorities to shift in the face of resistance. This is evidenced by that large convoy which was initially headed to the capital as some kind of follow-up to taking the city only to get stopped on the highway when the city didn't fall as expected. Now I'm no military expert, but is it not true that during a feint you don't usually allocate men and resources to follow up on a successful occupation of the target of your feint when those resources could have instead been sent to the front containing your true objective? Add in all the elite troops thrown into key points around Kiev and all that hot talk about 'denazifying ukraine' which was obviously coded language for regime change and it becomes more clear.
It probably would have been more productive and efficient if those soldiers were sent to Kharkiv instead. Not an expert but that's just how it looks to me.
It probably would have been more productive and efficient if those soldiers were sent to Kharkiv instead. Not an expert but that's just how it looks to me.
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Look, I hate saying "cope" in these threads because it's such a cancerous term at this point, but this is genuine cope.
It cannot be understated how big of a deal the destruction of the Moskva is. Even if we assume it was destroyed due to a phantom malfunction and not Ukrainian missiles, it's a severe reduction of fleet power. It's the Russian equivelant of a US Fleet Carrier in terms of doctrinal importance. These Cruisers are the center piece of their naval groups. This ship was probably providing the majority of early warning for long range missile launches over the forces in Crimea and Kherson. It was probably also scheduled to maintain air defense cover for an invasion force against Odessa and the ground forces along the Dnepr. That means needing several brigades of AA on the ground instead of one very capable ship. That means more money, oil, food, etc. If we (probably correctly) assume this was a missile attack, the strategic situation has completely changed now. It means the Ukrainians have the ability to penetrate extremely capable AA shields and attack targets from long range. That's a big deal. Russia's brass are probably scrambling right now to figure out what their response to this is.
Russian victory conditions were clearly to topple the Ukrainian government, force a settlement over the rebel provinces and the Crimean canal and ensure an either friendly or castrated Ukrainian government in future. The main goal has failed. Kiev is secured. Belarus was so cucked by sanctions and the failure of Russian troops to win in the north and Kharkov they refused to attack too. The Donbass is what matters now because the Russians have failed almost everywhere else. Now the Russians have to face the prospect of attacking Ukraine's main force while they possibly have strategic weapons. IF the stories about generals are true, this could be horrible for Russia. If the stories about their codes and communications being completely intercepted and cracked are true, it could mean the capability of sniping entire headquarters with missiles that no longer have to deal with one of Russia's best anti-missile ship providing cover for them.
Ukraine is losing in the sense that the war is on their turf and though the Russian's have been pushed back they are still in force in Ukraine. Have we forgotten both world wars? Not a single bullet was fired in Germany in the first, and 80% of the Eastern Front in the second was fought in the USSR. These are meaningless data points, especially when Ukraine is so agitated now that they'll fight until ten minutes past midnight. We don't have to cope/seethe/dilate for either side to understand that this is a big deal.
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>The consensus
There has never been a greater liar or war criminal than the consensus.
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