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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Ukraine developing a navy need not be expensive, you just need to consider what capabilities it requires. If it wants more capabilities, the price will go up.

If we exclusively look at it being used to protect Ukraine's coast, and to disrupt Russian naval operations this could be done relatively inexpensively.

The Ukrainians already have their own long range Anti-Ship Missiles, they have been looking to acquire Sea Spear a shorter range Naval Brimstone derived missile too.

Both of these could be fired from coastal batteries, and small attack craft, and fixed with assets. Sea Spear could be fired from Helicopters.

Naval aviation by way of drones is inexpensive and effective, for spotting and targeting enemy craft.

The only thing this doesn't allow them to do is to protect against Russian submarines and interdiction of shipping. That would be far more expensive, but it would still stymie the Russia Black Sea fleet at a fraction of the cost.

One of the most annoying "never taken" paths by the Royal Navy of recent years was the Black Swan Sloop concept.


Basically an oceangoing vessel, smaller than a corvette with modular manned and unmanned modules to slot in and out to carry out different tasks, a crew of around 100 and able to control sea lanes and interdict drug boats etc.
 
One of the most annoying "never taken" paths by the Royal Navy of recent years was the Black Swan Sloop concept.


Basically an oceangoing vessel, smaller than a corvette with modular manned and unmanned modules to slot in and out to carry out different tasks, a crew of around 100 and able to control sea lanes and interdict drug boats etc.
Looks like sort of a more heavily-armed/networked/multi-mission version of Coast Guard cutters. Makes sense for a purely coastal defense role.
 
One of the most annoying "never taken" paths by the Royal Navy of recent years was the Black Swan Sloop concept.


Basically an oceangoing vessel, smaller than a corvette with modular manned and unmanned modules to slot in and out to carry out different tasks, a crew of around 100 and able to control sea lanes and interdict drug boats etc.
An interesting and worthwhile concept from what I can see, but drone technology probably was not mature enough by 2012 for this to be made a reality. Think about it, the platforms they would want to integrate into this concept haven't reached initial operating capacity, from what I have seen the test beds for small vessels were only popping up around 2016.

The RN is currently looking into more unmanned systems, indeed the Type 32 based on the Type 31 hull is being conceptualised as a drone control ship.

Tying this back to Ukraine, aerial drones use for Naval Operations and SEAD have clearly show their worth in the ongoing conflict. This translates well into what Western forces could use them for, especially ones cheap enough for high attrition rates to be acceptable, as a means to carry out dangerous operations in contested airspace.
 
Far, far too pricey and loaded with far too complicated equipment. Buy some Legend-class "cutters" without the top-end US electronics for "coastal patrol" and then hire some naval experts and buy some equipment from Italy to "modernize existing assets" and then whoops, turns out there was a paperwork mishap and Ukraine accidentally into some top-end combat ships. Hell, considering how much of the fancy electronics in Russian combat vehicles have "Made in France" stamped on them I'm quite sure the French will be delighted to give them a discount on purchases in order to prevent any ahem further misunderstandings.

If we want the Ukraine to have a peer battle with the Russians we should see if there's any Knox class frigates kicking around in the reserve fleet, get those running, let 'em have 'em.
 
Really what I want to know is if the coastal defense drones can hunt submarines. Because the Russians losing one of their Kilos to a little drone boat would be absolutely hilarious.
Correct me if I am wrong, but Ukrainian naval drones are UAVs, not USVs or UUVs, and if that's the case then they would likely be unable to damaged a submerged vessel.
 
Really what I want to know is if the coastal defense drones can hunt submarines. Because the Russians losing one of their Kilos to a little drone boat would be absolutely hilarious.
A large VTOL-type drone toting miniaturized sonobuoys & hedgehog-type mortars would be scary, especially tied in with other drones towing MAD arrays, or even just hunting optically for subs. Small ASW torps (like the Mk.46) might even be able to be dropped by larger fixed/rotary wing drones. I'm sure we have plenty of those leftover from the Cold War, along with ASROCs.

Then add in something like SOSUS that the Ukrainians could lay offshore, and that's a nightmare I wouldn't want to go anywhere near as a sub driver.
 
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Incidentally there seems to be a whole lot more state media/diplomat talk about how this is achtchully basically a real hot war against NATO and not just Ukraine using NATO equipment and intel as a means of explaining russia's ever growing list of military failures and its inability to win a supposed 2 day war after almost 2 months.

For historical context, this was the exact same excuse argentina used after losing the Falklands war as a way of reconciling its ridiculous wartime hubris and gigantic geographic/numerical advantages with the fact it just got the shit kicked out of it by an enemy it convinced itself would never even fight back to begin with.

I wonder if this combined with the extra nuclear hysteria in russian media/state circles is the pullout excuse taking shape.

"We were totally winning and stuff but NATO threatened to start a nuclear war because of how badly we were kicking their asses so for the sake of humanity we had to end the war but we will totally be back to finish the job one day when NATO and the US crumbles because muh multipolar new world order, but until then we must build up the glorious russian autarky and purge all traitors to ensure we become superpower 2020"

Cue scuffed iron curtain redux for a couple years until either putin dies or gets taken out behind the outhouse by pissed off oligarchs having finally discovered their balls after a few years without their creature comforts, and then every fuckup and atrocity gets thrown on his corpse by the new bosses like a latter day Ceausescu, and post-economy russia gets bought by Elon Musk to become one giant bitcoin plantation
 
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In Soviet Russia cuckdom is not only for men.

So this became somewhat famous mobile phone intercept and audio is floating around. The endpoints have been identified:

Roman and Olga Bikovski, both in Crimea:

Ok, you rape Ukrainian women, yes? Just don't tell me anything. Understand? *laughing*

Rape and not tell you?

Yes, I don't want to know. So what? *laughing*

I can, yes?

Yes, I give you permission, just use protection!

Very good.

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Main things in life: family and kids
Best quotes: Learn to never tell. Then everything will be fine.

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Roman took part in annexation of Crimea and then moved his family and his mother there. He has a kid.

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He has been wounded and now in Crimean hospital. A journalist contacted him, he denied the phone conversation with his wife took place.
 
In Soviet Russia cuckdom is not only for men.

So this became somewhat famous mobile phone intercept and audio is floating around. The endpoints have been identified:

Roman and Olga Bikovski, both in Crimea:



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Roman took part in annexation of Crimea and then moved his family and his mother there. He has a kid.

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He has been wounded and now in Crimean hospital. A journalist contacted him, he denied the phone conversation with his wife took place.
Peak untermensch. I hate to say it, but after this, I'm of the firm opinion that Hitler did nothing wrong by invading the Soviet Union. The only thing he did wrong was not killing more vodka monkey snow niggers.
 
Letting the Germans unify under the Prussians was a fucking mistake.
No, not leaving the Prussians in charge was a mistake. The Germans had balls when the Hohenzollerns were in charge. Then Woodrow Wilson demanded regime change before mediating peace after the Great War, and Germany got the cucked Weimar Republic instead. The rest, as we say, is history.

It really is the West's fault Germany turned out like this. We spent the entire post-war period trying to beat Germany down, turn them into pussies, all so that "the Kraut" couldn't start another world war. Treated the Germans like every war in European history was their fault (BTW, they weren't. Vast majority of wars in European history were caused by the French, the British, or both. Germany was Europe's battlefield for most of its history), and what we got was a spineless cucked nation, and we are reaping the effects of that.
 
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Interesting video of Russian media openly claiming they want to exterminate the very idea of being Ukrainian.

Oh no, some random dude on a tv channel saying something dumb vs the entire western media hiding ukranian nazis.

Interesting videos of kids being groomed to be little nazis crying for the the death of russians, long before the war.



 
Oh no, some random dude on a tv channel saying something dumb vs the entire western media hiding ukranian nazis.

Interesting videos of kids being groomed to be little nazis crying for the the death of russians, long before the war.

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Everyone knows Ukraine has a few nazis as body bags against Russian separatists. What’s autistic is when people huff the Russian propaganda line that the existence of these people is justification for firing missiles into apartment buildings, massacring civilians, and raping kids.
 
Like always, they're leaving it to the British and their Polish allies to clean up their fucking mess.

Krautland helped massively fund this war and Scholz beginning to splutter and mutter doesn't surprise me one whit. Letting the Germans unify under the Prussians was a fucking mistake.
I agree. Austria would've been a far better leader for Germany. They were more concerned with culture and intellectual pursuits. Letting Germany unite under Prussia turned it into a military camp that scared damn near everyone, from the Brits, the French, and eventually, even the Russians. If it was united under Austria, their ambitions would be more towards preserving power instead of competing for colonial possessions, and instead of a military culture that scares everyone, you'll have an artistic and intellectual culture that everyone looks to as their standard. Hysteria about growing German power helped drive the Allied nations into WW1; if they didn't see Germany as a threat, that war could've been avoided.

Oh no, some random dude on a tv channel saying something dumb vs the entire western media hiding ukranian nazis.

Interesting videos of kids being groomed to be little nazis crying for the the death of russians, long before the war.
And? It's not like these guys are any more harmful than the average skinhead alt-right Russiaboo. If anything, at least they're dying in service to a greater good, which makes them better than the actual Nazis.
 
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Everyone knows Ukraine has a few nazis as body bags against Russian separatists. What’s autistic is when people huff the Russian propaganda line that the existence of these people is justification for firing missiles into apartment buildings, massacring civilians, and raping kids.
A few nazis? Faggot please, the entire euromaidan "revolution" in 2014 was carried out by those cucks and they are in all branches of the ukranian government, not only asov.

I have yet to see one single picture or video of a russian soldier killing people in butcha and a single picture or video of russians using a tochka-u in Ukraine. And save your time and don't link me one of those blurry satellite images where you can't see uniforms and can't see markings on vehicles.

You know who i trust more? Actual civilians talking about azov killing ukranians in mariupol



 
Russians drove a column of bulldozers to Katyn (place where NKVD murdered 20'000 Polish POWs and then blamed it on Nazis) and posed with raised buckets delivering this message:

Sunday, in the place "where by one version of events" NKVD shot Polish POWs ...
From the name of people of town of Smolenks and all Russian people:
We are at the Katyn memorial. We don't want to discuss who and when murdered Polish soldiers and officers here.
Right now building machinery is here and we can level this mass grave/ memorial.
However, we are people, not Nazis and we won't do this.
We don't fight with memorials unlike your politicians who disrespect Russians who died while liberating Poland.




nice to see them not wanting to talk about first wave of liberations and massacres, the second wave of "liberation" (khe khe Warsaw uprising) and then occupation + persecution of truth
 
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