Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Ahriman]

That's not at all what he says tho

I stand corrected; edited my post (plus I started watching it when I shared it).

 

[Frisk]

I am not sure how these adoptions could have been considered legal by Ukraine in any way, since they do not recognize the DPR/LPR and their laws.
But these legal shenanigans aren't very impressive when there are kids abandoned in the middle of a war and there are people who are willing to take them as their own.

It's not just a legal issue but a political one. They are implying that it's an act of genocide since these kids will grow up losing their Ukrainian identity through Russian foster parents and culture.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

I don't think there's anything inherently bad about taking in orphans and putting them in care in Russian controlled areas. It's preferable to letting them starve or be abused in a war zone.

In theory its not bad, but people tend to not trust your intentions when you're the one who orphaned the kids in the first place. Especially in a situation like this where it's doubtful they're making any attempt to see if the kids have relatives willing and able to care for them. Or for that matter verification that the kids are indeed orphans and not just separated from their parents by the chaos. Particularly when they aren't just being put into care in a safe area or into foster care, but formally being adopted.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

In theory its not bad, but people tend to not trust your intentions when you're the one who orphaned the kids in the first place. Especially in a situation like this where it's doubtful they're making any attempt to see if the kids have relatives willing and able to care for them. Or for that matter verification that the kids are indeed orphans and not just separated from their parents by the chaos. Particularly when they aren't just being put into care in a safe area or into foster care, but formally being adopted.

Didn’t the Germans do this to “Aryan” children?

 

[Frisk]

Didn’t the Germans do this to “Aryan” children?

Yep! Officially around 200.000 children with "Aryan" features had gotten stolen and were intended to be turned into Aryan völk.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

In theory its not bad, but people tend to not trust your intentions when you're the one who orphaned the kids in the first place. Especially in a situation like this where it's doubtful they're making any attempt to see if the kids have relatives willing and able to care for them. Or for that matter verification that the kids are indeed orphans and not just separated from their parents by the chaos. Particularly when they aren't just being put into care in a safe area or into foster care, but formally being adopted.

If that article is accurate and since its from a Ukrainian outlet, citing Ukraine sources, the chances of it being inaccurate or just plain false is very high. Have you forgotten Arma 3 gameplay being shilled as war footage by the Ukes? Or just recently video of entirely different ships on fire being fobbed off as video of the Moskva?

Also I don't think its realistic to expect Russia to become social workers while fighting a war at the same time. I don't think the US concerned itself with all the children orphaned by our bombing runs in Iraq or Afghanistan.

 

[Simpadoo]

Tell that to Phil Hartman or Lorena Bobbitt's husband.

Like I said, well timed. Both examples were afraid to assert their authorita in the relationship, hence the murder and the insta-sex change.

 

[Simpadoo]

More accurately, they've gotten slightly less POZ'd Eurotrash to go full POZ, resulting - in the short term at least; time will tell about this "EU Army" unicorn - in the US taxpayer paying more to defend more Zone A Zombies. This isn't necessarily a net-negative for the Muscovite Rus. It's not impossible they learned a thing or two from the US bleeding the USSR dry with an arms race.

They were waiting until Finland legalized the rape of 10-year-olds then.

 

[White_N]

It's not just a legal issue but a political one. They are implying that it's an act of genocide since these kids will grow up losing their Ukrainian identity through Russian foster parents and culture.

They already complain that DPR /LPR children who are moving to Russia will learn the Russian language. Well, I guess for them, school is more horrifying than mortar strikes then.

"They stole our children, and now they will wean them from the Ukrainian language!"

Russian-speaking Ukrainian children who were taken to Russia will learn Russian in summer camps with counselors.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Russian-speaking Ukrainian children who were taken to Russia will learn Russian in summer camps with counselors.

Is this a bad translation or is it accurate because if the latter
lmao

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Didn’t the Germans do this to “Aryan” children?

And the Russians did it before, with the Volga Germans; deporting adults & keeping their kids to work on the collectives. After previously inviting them in. None of this is new hat to any of these people, which is why fresh atrocities don't surprise me; I'd be more surprised if they weren't happening.

 

[White_N]

Is this a bad translation or is it accurate because if the latter
lmao

The latter
The Russian language is spoken by a large part of eastern Ukraine and is used in everyday life, but:

Knowledge of spoken Russian among children is not enough if, for example, we are talking about grammar.
And it also means that the study of the Ukrainian language for these children will not be mandatory.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

If that article is accurate and since its from a Ukrainian outlet, citing Ukraine sources, the chances of it being inaccurate or just plain false is very high.

The only thing that might be a fantasy on their part is the numbers involved. Rumblings started a month ago about Russia starting to consider changes its laws to enable adoption of orphans from Ukraine, theoretically mostly about the break away republics. With the last couple days seeing Russian news reporting on agreements being prepared that would enable transfer of orphans from the DPR, LPR and Ukraine to Russian families.

So this isn't random bullshitting, its a thing that is happening. You can question the scale, the intent, and maybe whether they'll be ultimately adopted or just fostered as that part isn't clear from Russian sources yet. But that orphans and likely "orphans" from Ukraine are being moved to Russia with the intent of them being put into the likely long term care of families there is real.

Also I don't think its realistic to expect Russia to become social workers while fighting a war at the same time.

Yet Russia's interested enough in being a social worker that Putin was holding meetings a month ago about changing the law to enable the adoption of non-Russian citizens. They're interested enough in being social workers that they're arranging for orphans in areas they control to be moved to, and raised in Russia. But not apparently not interested enough to see to it that its done without possibly violating existing international law, or done in a way that results in Ukrainian kids being taken care of in Ukraine. Which is why Ukraine's screaming bloody murder and people aren't entirely ignoring them.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The only thing that might be a fantasy on their part is the numbers involved. Rumblings started a month ago about Russia starting to consider changes its laws to enable adoption of orphans from Ukraine, theoretically mostly about the break away republics. With the last couple days seeing Russian news reporting on agreements being prepared that would enable transfer of orphans from the DPR, LPR and Ukraine to Russian families.

So this isn't random bullshitting, its a thing that is happening. You can question are the scale, the intent, and maybe whether they'll be ultimately adopted or just fostered as that part isn't clear from Russian sources yet. But that orphans and likely "orphans" from Ukraine are being moved to Russia with the intent of them being put into the likely long term care of families there is real.


Yet Russia's interested enough in being a social worker that Putin was holding meetings a month ago about changing the law to enable the adoption of non-Russian citizens. They're interested enough in being social workers that they're arranging for orphans in areas they control to be moved to, and raised in Russia. But not apparently not interested enough to see to it that its done without possibly violating existing international law, or done in a way that results in Ukrainian kids being taken care of in Ukraine. Which is why Ukraine's screaming blood murder and people aren't entirely ignoring them.

I see. How many Ukrainians are legit demanding to adopt these orphans? And by legit I mean not human traffickers demanding new stock for their sex trade business.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

I see. How many Ukrainians are legit demanding to adopt these orphans? And by legit I mean not human traffickers demanding new stock for their sex trade business.

There'd probably be a lot more, if they were alive & not in Poland.

 

[Fcret]

Russia has developed all their "easy" oil, and recent fields coming online are in frozen shitholes way the fuck in the north. New developments require two things:
- Oil price over 50$ to break even
- Foreign expertise, equipment and service companies. As Russians in general are uncapable of planning ahead, they have no oil world-class service companies, and much like the dune coons, let foreigners do the "hard stuff" standing between the boss and a new Yacht.

The frozen shitholes part is definitely important. Any disruption to Russian oil production can take a well offline more or less indefinitely since the ground freezes back over and the well has to essentially be redrilled from scratch.

 

[Based Boy]

Is there any info about strategic bomber usage outside of Azovstal'?
Seems like a waste too pull up the birds of this size and not bomb something more valuable than some starving nazi-larpers and glowniggers.

 

[White_N]

The city of Vyazma, Smolensk region. Refueling in the air TU-160 M3.

Right now:

The head of the military administration of Poltava Dmitry Lunin confirmed the explosions 3:37

Kirovograd region.The strike was at one of the airfields. 3:39
Poltava. Some of the missiles were shot down by the air defense. 3:50

 

[Chinggis Khan]

It's not just a legal issue but a political one. They are implying that it's an act of genocide since these kids will grow up losing their Ukrainian identity through Russian foster parents and culture.

There are children in the Donbas, no? It's a bit presumptuous to say they had a Ukrainian identity.

 

[Wy4M]

From a Ukrainian account; footage of a small drone used for recon. I think it's pretty impressive.

Some inventive ppl. Used both by Ukrainians and LPR/DNR: