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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Bismarck only begrudgingly got involved in the imperial race because others in Germany were pushing for it. Its why Germany's colonial empire was so limited compared to the other powers.


France already hated Germany because of historic Franco-German enmity, Alsace-Lorraine, and simple geopolitical calculus; a united Germany was the most powerful state on the continent, not France. Russia didn't care about Germany, it cared about the Balkans. Russia opposed Germany because it was allied with Austria, who also wanted to dominate the Balkans. Austria, Germany, and Russia were actually in an alliance together after the Franco-Prussian War called the Three Emperor's League. The whole point was that all three powers would cooperate and control Eastern Europe together, keep the Poles and other weaker peoples down, and nullify Austria's and Russia's rivalry in the Balkans through designated spheres of influence. In the end it ultimately collapsed because the Austrian and the Russians just couldn't get over their mutual rivalry in the Balkans. Bismarck actually had a separate top secret treaty of neutrality drawn up between Germany and Russia afterward called the Reinsurance Treaty, that ultimately didn't last because Bismarck was fired by Kaiser Willy and the treaty wasn't renewed. It was the termination of this treaty that actually drove the Russians to ally with the French instead. Its failure was seen as a major longstanding cause to WWI. Had it been maintained, WWI may never have happened.


Ironically, Russia's bad history with the other Slavic people's of today was because of similar reasons to them invading Ukraine now; they saw themselves as the natural "protectors" and "suzerains" of the other Slavs, and this is what drove their imperialistic foreign policy in Europe prior to the First World War (that led them to, for instance, partition Poland, and make war upon the Ottoman Empire), and what's driving their policy now.


Would never have happened. The German people, and the French and the Russians would never have allowed it.


They also had interest in propping up individual states (the British were very close to the Greeks, for instance), and wanted to prop up their influence in the Black Sea, Middle East, and Mediterranean.


Only because they weren't really a threat to anyone but Russia; their army was the worst in Europe by World War I. The Germans were practically propping them up by the end of the war.
Let's move this convo to a PM, please, this forum is about Russia, not which group of inbred hicks with crowns could have run Germany better.
 
Only because they weren't really a threat to anyone but Russia; their army was the worst in Europe by World War I. The Germans were practically propping them up by the end of the war.
The next time someone says diversity is our strength, just remind them of the impotency of the Austro-hungarian army and its lack of a common language, or even a standardized universal rail infrastructure between all its member-states.
 
Those guys were EX-military. They weren't actual employees of the U.S. government. They didn't use U.S. military equipment. They didn't have U.S. diplomatic or military passports. They didn't train in U.S. bases. They were a private company hired to do work for the U.S. government for cheap.
You're tracking on all but the cheap part, fam. :semperfidelis:
 
Archive | Source - CNN

Zelensky's Claimed Ukrainian KIA/WIA
From the Article:
"Zelensky said that Ukrainian officials think about 2,500 to 3,000 Ukrainian troops have died in the war, comparing the figure to what he said are Russia's casualty numbers of 19,000 to 20,000 (Russia has acknowledged 1,351 military casualties). Zelensky added there are about 10,000 Ukrainian troops who have been injured and that it's "hard to say how many will survive.""

I'll just leave the stats as claimed by both sides as of 03.25 - 04.08 in Russian Wikipedia Article and remind you that Russia is threatening to fine Wikimedia for keeping "False Information" online.

Russians KIA/WIA - Source - Russian Wikipedia Article
RU - 1351 KIA | 3825 WIA
DPR - 979 KIA | 4265 WIA
LPR - ~500 KIA

RU/DPR/LPR 19,900 KIA/WIA - Claimed by Ukraine

Ukrainians KIA/WIA - Same Article
UA - 14k KIA | 16k WIA - Claimed by Russian Armed Forces

UA - 1300 KIA | 316 WIA - Claimed by Ukraine as of 03.25

UA - 2,500 - 3000 KIA | 10k WIA - Claimed by Zelensky on 04.16

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I was on Facebook and thought I might share this post. I found it kinda interesting.

Whether you believe it or not is up to you.


Military that just lost a 20 year war against one of the shittiest and poorest countries in the world thinks it can win a war against Russia and China.

we lost that war on war on our own because of stupid decisions from higher ups and the Afghan army’s unwillingness to fight the Taliban. There was nothing the Taliban could do to win the war on their own against the US except continue the war of attrition.
 

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I was on Facebook and thought I might share this post. I found it kinda interesting.

Whether you believe or not is up to you.
I can potentially believe it, russia wants it over by May 9th, their media is giving Ukrainians the same treatment 3rd Reich propaganda gave the jews, there are no innocent Ukrainians, Donetsk and Lugansk need to be taken by RF even if they're a smoldering crater, дядя putin needs a win and doesn't give a fuck about western PR cost of one.

They don't give a slightest bit of a fuck and will go full carpet bomb/salt the earth on eastern Ukraine IMO.
 
I was on Facebook and thought I might share this post. I found it kinda interesting.

Whether you believe or not is up to you.
I'm surprised there's anyone left in Pisky; they've been fighting over that hellscape (and the adjacent airport) for close to ten years now.

This is an excellent series on the beginning of the war, and doesn't hide how brutal the fighting & losses have been (on both sides).

20:12 for Liberation of Pisky

Part 2 has Donetsk Airport & surroundings, and supposedly a 3rd part on the way soon.
 
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I can potentially believe it, russia wants it over by May 9th, their media is giving Ukrainians the same treatment 3rd Reich propaganda gave the jews, there are no innocent Ukrainians, Donetsk and Lugansk need to be taken by RF even if they're a smoldering crater, дядя putin needs a win and doesn't give a fuck about western PR cost of one.

They don't give a slightest bit of a fuck and will go full carpet bomb/salt the earth on eastern Ukraine IMO.
It is not uncommon to have the usual bunch rabid about how all Russians are evil and it is because of similar propaganda in the West. Ukraine has done the same as far as I know in their efforts to de-Russify Ukraine. Hate speech against Russians is expressly allowed on social media right now, lol. #FreedomFries
You've personally said how you're okay with Russian soldiers being flayed, which is so absurd to me. The same soldiers who were derided for going "we were duped, we thought this was an exercise!" are now mass murdering machines scouring the landscape for women to rape, Nutella to consume, and paved roads to admire that need to all be killed in one of the most inhumane ways possible apparently.

You could show me a video of russian soldiers being flayed at this point and I wouldn't give a fuck or call it anything but "had it coming".

Nothing justifies those fucking apes and their behaviour, russians have a hell of a national legacy to look forward to. Everything they said about Ukrainians is industrial grade projection.

It's not the 40s anymore, none of the shit these fucks do will get as easily memory holed as the fucked up shit red army did unless they legitimately glass everything.

Also nice of them to record their fucking war crimes themselves, retards in kremlin must be elated at the IQ level of their troops as they desperately try to deny the last month even happened.

There are no innocent Russians!

Just saying, temper yourself, good grief.
 
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It is not uncommon to have the usual bunch rabid about how all Russians are evil and it is because of similar propaganda in the West. Ukraine has done the same as far as I know in their efforts to de-Russify Ukraine. Hate speech against Russians is expressly allowed on social media right now, lol. #FreedomFries
You've personally said how you're okay with Russian soldiers being flayed, which is so absurd to me. The same soldiers who were derided for going "we were duped, we thought this was an exercise!" are now mass murdering machines scouring the landscape for women to rape, Nutella to consume, and paved roads to admire that need to all be killed in the one of the most inhumane ways possible apparently.



There are no innocent Russians!

Just saying, temper yourself, good grief.
Heh, I know, as you can perhaps understand some of my posts are written after I see or read about something fucked up russians did, quite frankly I really wouldn't mind if some soldats ended up flayed if the shit they do is real, like the guy from that infant video. For fucks sake, they claim "We're the liberators" while shelling cities, raping and pillaging like a fucking brainless barbarian horde.

I do realize an average russian just can't know better, they can't even fucking read our alphabet much less understand what's written and "Use google translate" is a shit excuse.

I used to work with russians and they were cool people to work with, very helpful, intelligent and I really, really hope there is a scenario where we can work together again without some politsperging being in the way.

I know russians don't even have a choice, their elections are rigged, plenty of evidence for it (hands appearing from behind curtains dropping ballots into the box while the fattest bitch covers it) you can google more.

I don't want to hate russians, I do fucking HATE their government and unfortunately, unless you can eliminate their government, they're all powerless to not be a part of it's agenda.

Russia is OBJECTIVELY an invader of a neighboring country they don't get points for anything, there were solutions to all issues they had that did not involve cratering eastern Ukraine.

I don't want Ukrainians to retaliate against russian civillians, I don't want russians to suffer anything more than their government until they change it, but quite frankly, fuck their soldiers, it's 50+ days into the war, they don't have excuses they see the people they kill are not some poor peasants oppressed by by 4th reich, if captured phone calls are worth a fuck, russians are the peasants oppressed by a fucked up government and russiacentric ideology.
 
That's a more reasonable and I think honest take. Anyone who does some of the heinous acts we've seen during this deserves to just be shot in the head.
I am admittedly bothered by the ginned up Russian hate, though it's kinda easy-mode due to all the Cold War propaganda, it's still weird to see the apparatuses typically used to shill diversity and acceptance being successfully employed to hate an entire people.

Blaming Ivan Ivanovich for not taking it upon himself to assassinate Putler is retarded and everyone knows it but refuses to go against the zeitgeist, ironically.
 
That's a more reasonable and I think honest take. Anyone who does some of the heinous acts we've seen during this deserves to just be shot in the head.
I am admittedly bothered by the ginned up Russian hate, though it's kinda easy-mode due to all the Cold War propaganda, it's still weird to see the apparatuses typically used to shill diversity and acceptance being successfully employed to hate an entire people.

Blaming Ivan Ivanovich for not taking it upon himself to assassinate Putler is retarded and everyone knows it but refuses to go against the zeitgeist, ironically.
Your description of Ivan Ivanovich is a retarded dream every nation has "Come one, so many guys with guns, rifles and not even one is going to The Dark Night Joker that motherfucker?" People want to live, you need to be already autistic and suicidal to try to an hero by killing someone like putin and I'm sure there are ways to flag all people with the Brutus gene before they're born by now.

Russians are told to hate us because we want them dead, I did say I think it's smart for Germans to allow pro-russia protests to proceed and protect it because it breaks a narrative they want to build, that russian nationals are being persecuted, beaten and fired from their jobs. Bah, russian nationals abroad should be treated very well, told we feel sorry for their government but welcome them as people, as a soft power move, they will be a seed of inconvenient rumors.

Edit: I don't even mean that insincerely, russians are people too, they're just stuck with a nationality and a government that will use them as cannon fodder if need be, do they deserve it? Nobody does.

There are moments where I hate all russians but most of the time, I just feel sorry for them, sorry because they live in a fucked up system where they're barely more than a number and even then that's if they live in the big cities.
 
Dmitriy Medvedev (former Russian PM and president, now the Chairman of United Russia) said that VKS are now tasked with destroying the Starlink constellation, because apparently, Starlink enabled the strike on Moskva.

Ahahabahababahagagagagaga
How exactly would they even go about doing that? I think this guy might have been playing too much Call Of Duty and thinks that shit is real. They can't seem to determine what CoD campaign they want to LARP though so are going with different bits and pieces. I guess he just got finished playing CoD: Ghosts and thought the sequence where you shoot up a satellite was cool?
 
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