Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[Disasterina]

I was am a tard baby

 

[MysticMisty]

I totally blame the Fundies.

100%. They've got an entire Down syndrome lobby going with huge amounts of propaganda starring "cute" babies and little kids and very high functioning adults to push the agenda that Down syndrome is a perfectly harmless disorder that barely affects brain function (which makes you a monster for even considering abortion if you get screened and the test comes back positive). Obviously they don't talk about the 99.99% that aren't very high function and very probably have a combination of heart problems, cancer, and/or Alzheimer's.

I have to give my extremely religious aunt credit though; when she popped out a Down syndrome baby in the 60's, when institutionalism was at it's height, the doctor's immediately told her to send the baby to the tard farm and she refused. My cousin is very much the DS adult the propaganda pretends doesn't exist though; moderate functioning (around the level of a slow five year old) and developed rapid progressing Alzheimer's in her early 50's. The stereotypical short, fat, and happy DS adult (until the Alzheimer's), but very boring due to her extremely religious family.

 

[The-Mad-Asshatter]

It makes me wonder what will happen in those states where abortion becomes severely restricted. Will they bring back the state institutions once enough people (who would have aborted) become unable to care for their severely low functioning adult child?

 

[The Joker]

Michael Morones

Michael wasn't brain dead and was basically in a vegetative state until he finally died a few years ago. His mom was accused of trying to scam the brony community while others just thought she was in complete denial over his outcome. It didn't help that a bunch of tards from Reddit began to harass his mom and brothers.
Yeah, his mom didn't want to accept the outcome but really seemed to at least make him somewhat comfortable until he finally passed.

Eva Sherbody's dad is a complete dumb fuck though

. Unfortunately, this is pretty much the best Eva's life will get. There is no surgical intervention, medication, or therapy that will bring back the Eva her parents once knew

He always goes on about how she will get healed by Christ and keeps her twitching body propped up for all to see.

 

[Android raptor]

100%. They've got an entire Down syndrome lobby going with huge amounts of propaganda starring "cute" babies and little kids and very high functioning adults to push the agenda that Down syndrome is a perfectly harmless disorder that barely affects brain function (which makes you a monster for even considering abortion if you get screened and the test comes back positive). Obviously they don't talk about the 99.99% that aren't very high function and very probably have a combination of heart problems, cancer, and/or Alzheimer's.

I have to give my extremely religious aunt credit though; when she popped out a Down syndrome baby in the 60's, when institutionalism was at it's height, the doctor's immediately told her to send the baby to the tard farm and she refused. My cousin is very much the DS adult the propaganda pretends doesn't exist though; moderate functioning (around the level of a slow five year old) and developed rapid progressing Alzheimer's in her early 50's. The stereotypical short, fat, and happy DS adult (until the Alzheimer's), but very boring due to her extremely religious family.

I mentioned earlier but I feel like the intellectual disability aspect of downs is overly focused on, since it's more or less the least harmful aspect of downs. You can be even a super low functioning tard, but you can still have a good life as long as you have a good support system&resources. Not so much with Alzheimers or severe heart/lung issues.

Alzheimers in your early 50s, damn

 

[CaseyTatumm]

I was a tard baby.

Hey don’t be down, you can be a model!

 

[Peaches Demure]

I mentioned earlier but I feel like the intellectual disability aspect of downs is overly focused on, since it's more or less the least harmful aspect of downs. You can be even a super low functioning tard, but you can still have a good life as long as you have a good support system&resources. Not so much with Alzheimers or severe heart/lung issues.

Alzheimers in your early 50s, damn

No, you can't, because "super low functioning tard" does not occur separately from severe medical issues. A syndrome that causes a catastrophic lack of cognitive ability also causes the sort of brain problems you see in people in advanced stages of dementia. These cases are either TBI or syndromic.

 

[booklover]

I hate how off topic this thread gets so I'm only going to reply once but until birth control the average age of last child was from mid to late 40s. Even in the middle ages it was something like 42 in France and England. I actually agree that people- male or female- really shouldn't have kids past their mid 30s, but to pretend women can't have kids past that and the world will end and every baby will be a potato is biologically and historically false. On top of that, the reason women go through menopause is more because it becomes too hard on the body and not because the eggs are bad. They regularly pull eggs out of rich old women and while the sample sizes I've seen aren't huge and it's going to be a while before we arrive at true numbers, there isn't some huge decrease in viability after a certain age, it just gradually decreases just like sperm. You seem really angry in general that people have pointed out old sperm is retard sperm.

Before they found out what Down syndrome really was, some doctors thought of it as an "exhaustion product" because it was so often the family's last child, whether by choice or circumstance.

Tough watch but palliative care is very much the kind thing to do. Excuse me while I go ugly cry now.

I finally watched this last night. It was a beautifully done video, and while I don't recall the baby in the picture having its diagnosis named on camera, I'm guessing that Giovanni had Trisomy 18, or Edward's Syndrome. I'm glad his mother was able to take him home, even if it was only for a short time.

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

100%. They've got an entire Down syndrome lobby going with huge amounts of propaganda starring "cute" babies and little kids and very high functioning adults to push the agenda that Down syndrome is a perfectly harmless disorder that barely affects brain function (which makes you a monster for even considering abortion if you get screened and the test comes back positive). Obviously they don't talk about the 99.99% that aren't very high function and very probably have a combination of heart problems, cancer, and/or Alzheimer's.

I have to give my extremely religious aunt credit though; when she popped out a Down syndrome baby in the 60's, when institutionalism was at it's height, the doctor's immediately told her to send the baby to the tard farm and she refused. My cousin is very much the DS adult the propaganda pretends doesn't exist though; moderate functioning (around the level of a slow five year old) and developed rapid progressing Alzheimer's in her early 50's. The stereotypical short, fat, and happy DS adult (until the Alzheimer's), but very boring due to her extremely religious family.

It's almost like tard advocacy organizations only show success stories. Who would've guessed.

For most of human history, it was considered OK or even right to kill a tard baby. Trying to keep it alive was a waste of time and resources, especially when it'd be better to try again and hope for a normal child who could reproduce and contribute to the group. The pro-life movement is actually kind of bucking the trend there. Primitive humans didn't have ultrasounds or abortions, so when the baby turned out to be a potato, they drowned it in the river or left it to be devoured by animals. If early religion was in effect, they'd probably say the tard was a demon or a punishment from the gods or some shit. Someone with down's syndrome or cerebral palsy was not going to stand a chance against a sabertooth, lions, or hostile tribe.

So yeah, keeping tard babies alive is an unnatural, modern luxury, like air conditioners or iPhones. I'm not going to judge someone for aborting one, or warehousing if it's a condition that doesn't show up on ultrasound. In the time of Jesus, people would've said a baby with down's syndrome was a sign that God hated them and their parents. They probably wouldn't kill out in the open it because of the 10 commandments, but for sure it'd be considered a vengeful act of God. Fundies aren't actually that fundamental.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

I mentioned earlier but I feel like the intellectual disability aspect of downs is overly focused on, since it's more or less the least harmful aspect of downs. You can be even a super low functioning tard, but you can still have a good life as long as you have a good support system&resources. Not so much with Alzheimers or severe heart/lung issues.

Alzheimers in your early 50s, damn

Not just Alzheimer's, either. Kids with DS have a significantly increased risk of catastrophic heart defects and certain subtypes of acute leukemia which are rare in normal populations.

It's not just smiling tards collecting their medals at the Special Olympics. Serious illness is extremely difficult for typically developing children. Trying to explain to a preschooler with DS that the doctors will have to hurt them to make them better and they can't go home for awhile is impossible.

There's a pretty well known Mormon Instagram mom whose 5 year old daughter died of DS/AML last year. This poor baby endured absolute torture, including a bone marrow transplant, which basically requires a physician to bring the patient to the brink of death. At one point, she got an infection and required ECMO (extracorporeal membrane oxygenation), a form of heart-lung bypass treatment in which the blood is pumped outside the body and through a machine to oxygenate it, giving a very sick heart and lungs time to rest and heal. She coded at least once and was resuscitated. She endured hundreds of high dose chemotherapy treatments. Because children's bodies are so resilient, they can receive doses of chemotherapy that would kill a adult, and the side effects are unimaginable.

It's absolutely hellish. Brutal. And to what end? I won't share her Instagram handle here, but her account is public and she did share some pretty sobering photos of what treatment for DS/AML looks like.

Editing to say that I don't believe people with DS or other intellectual and physical disabilities should be denied treatment. I would give the same side eye to a parent of a typically developing child with relapsed/refractory leukemia who consented to ECMO and allowed a full code to be run.

 

[booklover]

Not just Alzheimer's, either. Kids with DS have a significantly increased risk of catastrophic heart defects and certain subtypes of acute leukemia which are rare in normal populations.

It's not just smiling tards collecting their medals at the Special Olympics. Serious illness is extremely difficult for typically developing children. Trying to explain to a preschooler with DS that the doctors will have to hurt them to make them better and they can't go home for awhile is impossible.

There's a pretty well known Mormon Instagram mom whose 5 year old daughter died of DS/AML last year. This poor baby endured absolute torture, including a bone marrow transplant, which basically requires a physician to bring the patient to the brink of death. At one point, she got an infection and required ECMO (extracorporeal membrane oxygenation), a form of heart-lung bypass treatment in which the blood is pumped outside the body and through a machine to oxygenate it, giving a very sick heart and lungs time to rest and heal. She coded at least once and was resuscitated. She endured hundreds of high dose chemotherapy treatments. Because children's bodies are so resilient, they can receive doses of chemotherapy that would kill a adult, and the side effects are unimaginable.

It's absolutely hellish. Brutal. And to what end? I won't share her Instagram handle here, but her account is public and she did share some pretty sobering photos of what treatment for DS/AML looks like.

Editing to say that I don't believe people with DS or other intellectual and physical disabilities should be denied treatment. I would give the same side eye to a parent of a typically developing child with relapsed/refractory leukemia who consented to ECMO and allowed a full code to be run.

The family's real names were easy to find. Even more horrifying is that the mother is a nurse practitioner! She of all people would have had to have known when things were approaching the futility line. However, her blog also has links to "Heavy Metal Detox" so who knows what's going on with her.

I do remember watching a program on NatGeo or some similar channel, about the archaeological dig of a Native American community in Florida, where they found bones belonging to a teenage boy who had spinal bifida (and osteomyelitis of the leg bones, which probably killed him). Of course, there's no way to know why he was kept alive, but they speculated that it may have been due to the family's position in the community, whenever this was (probably 1,000 years ago or more) or he held some kind of religious symbolism. Before cutting to a commercial, it cut to an artist's rendition, a pastel drawing of two men in what was probably ceremonial garb, carrying this disabled boy on a stretcher made from branches and animal skins.

 

[Jeep1971]

It makes me wonder what will happen in those states where abortion becomes severely restricted. Will they bring back the state institutions once enough people (who would have aborted) become unable to care for their severely low functioning adult child?

100%. They've got an entire Down syndrome lobby going with huge amounts of propaganda starring "cute" babies and little kids and very high functioning adults to push the agenda that Down syndrome is a perfectly harmless disorder that barely affects brain function (which makes you a monster for even considering abortion if you get screened and the test comes back positive). Obviously they don't talk about the 99.99% that aren't very high function and very probably have a combination of heart problems, cancer, and/or Alzheimer's.

I have to give my extremely religious aunt credit though; when she popped out a Down syndrome baby in the 60's, when institutionalism was at it's height, the doctor's immediately told her to send the baby to the tard farm and she refused. My cousin is very much the DS adult the propaganda pretends doesn't exist though; moderate functioning (around the level of a slow five year old) and developed rapid progressing Alzheimer's in her early 50's. The stereotypical short, fat, and happy DS adult (until the Alzheimer's), but very boring due to her extremely religious family.

Being careful not to tread into politics sperging, I am adamant that IF Fundies truly cared about babies, they would care about them AFTER they are born too.

 

[MysticMisty]

Editing to say that I don't believe people with DS or other intellectual and physical disabilities should be denied treatment. I would give the same side eye to a parent of a typically developing child with relapsed/refractory leukemia who consented to ECMO and allowed a full code to be run.

Same here, that's just cruel no matter what their functioning level is. For something completely futile. All while the family is in denial and insisting that miracles do happen and if they use as much modern medical treatments as possible while praying really hard, everything will be okay because they prayed really hard. Even when they inevitably die they're still in denial about what really happened.

 

[Chandelier]

It makes me wonder what will happen in those states where abortion becomes severely restricted. Will they bring back the state institutions once enough people (who would have aborted) become unable to care for their severely low functioning adult child?

No. They won't do that. They'll cut social programs while giving more money to healthier babies as a means of saying "fuck you." It is just to punish women. That's it. The dad can piss off and admit no wrongdoing yet the mother is expected to take care of an adult child the rest of her life. For the crime of...having sex and not being allowed genetic screening.

Europe's abortion laws occur in a shorter timeframe yet none are as anal as the US. They understood early on tard babies are expensive. If you had a time machine and showed the Founders what a Harlequin Icthyosis baby looked like they'd all say it was a monstrosity. And they look like fucking aliens. It's a very painful skin condition if you live. Most don't make it to 20.

They want the woman to carry the baby because life matters, while saying it's too expensive for social programs. Life matters yet it still has a price tag.

Reading some of the examples, these pro lifers are spending millions on these hopeless babies vs healthy kids or those who have a chance.

This attitude really seems unique to America. Which is funny, because American colonists and Native Americans routinely killed defective babies.

Being careful not to tread into politics sperging, I am adamant that IF Fundies truly cared about babies, they would care about them AFTER they are born too.

It's funny. I've been told if I was shoved off a bridge accidentally whether it'd be murder when I brought this up during an abortion debate shitshow on Twitter. Of course it didn't occur to them they'd still be shoving me off a bridge, and that many of them DO wish death on those handing out mercy killings.

You cannot tell me these people spend much time around truly defective babies because the sheer pain in their eyes would make them question their faith.

Even Catholic Spain and Italy found a happy medium with abortion. Even some Muslim countries embraced it. Because they understand if it isn't worth saving, don't bother.

 

[The-Mad-Asshatter]

Speaking of fundies, up until recently they flip-flopped on abortion. Reading their history, enough of them were pro Roe vs. Wade until some politicians decided it could be used as a political football.

Now too many of them act as if their group has always been anti-abortion, when it was not always the case. To me, they sort of 'read' anti-abortion' into the Bible the same way some Southern Evangelicals used to 'read' pro-slavery into the Bible.

 

[Jeep1971]

No. They won't do that. They'll cut social programs while giving more money to healthier babies as a means of saying "fuck you." It is just to punish women. That's it. The dad can piss off and admit no wrongdoing yet the mother is expected to take care of an adult child the rest of her life. For the crime of...having sex and not being allowed genetic screening.

Europe's abortion laws occur in a shorter timeframe yet none are as anal as the US. They understood early on tard babies are expensive. If you had a time machine and showed the Founders what a Harlequin Icthyosis baby looked like they'd all say it was a monstrosity. And they look like fucking aliens. It's a very painful skin condition if you live. Most don't make it to 20.

They want the woman to carry the baby because life matters, while saying it's too expensive for social programs. Life matters yet it still has a price tag.

Reading some of the examples, these pro lifers are spending millions on these hopeless babies vs healthy kids or those who have a chance.

This attitude really seems unique to America. Which is funny, because American colonists and Native Americans routinely killed defective babies.


It's funny. I've been told if I was shoved off a bridge accidentally whether it'd be murder when I brought this up during an abortion debate shitshow on Twitter. Of course it didn't occur to them they'd still be shoving me off a bridge, and that many of them DO wish death on those handing out mercy killings.

You cannot tell me these people spend much time around truly defective babies because the sheer pain in their eyes would make them question their faith.

Even Catholic Spain and Italy found a happy medium with abortion. Even some Muslim countries embraced it. Because they understand if it isn't worth saving, don't bother.

Agreed! Catholics AND Jewish people have had a "policy" in place for decades when it comes to aborting fetuses with severe anomalies.
Fundies will not even entertain the idea of a compromise where empathy is required in dealing with this matter. It's all black and white to them, there's no middle ground where they would agree that abortion can be merciful.

 

[Android raptor]

Same here, that's just cruel no matter what their functioning level is. For something completely futile. All while the family is in denial and insisting that miracles do happen and if they use as much modern medical treatments as possible while praying really hard, everything will be okay because they prayed really hard. Even when they inevitably die they're still in denial about what really happened.

I can understand why the parent of a young child would be in such denial, though yeah prolonging treatment for a hopeless case ends up just being pointless cruelty.

Tbh I think the Mormon mom might be worth posting more about here.

 

[Barbarella]

The problem with diseases like cancer, rather than a congenital defect, is that there are true miracle stories. A person given two years to live hangs on until a new drug comes out, which works on them, and they are around 15 years later, cancer-free. While rare, nobody really knows how often that happens because most drug follow-ups are five years, or an end point of progression, not death.

But these people can be found and success stories are circulated within these communities, and so it’s understandable a mother might hope something will work to save her kid like it did for XYZ. It’s very hard for a parent to give up on what was a healthy child.

Now, a Down’s kid? I think many mothers would have the Sophie’s choice of weighing quality of life over quantity. An intellectually normal child can understand they might feel bad for a while to get better. A Downie lives more in the moment and the suffering would seem for nothing to them. Hospice really should be part of every medical conversation with a sick kid, but most oncologists don’t bring it up until the fight is over, rather than discussing the whole picture from the start.

And for people like Luna or Paisley, there is no hope for them. Nothing will cure them or give them quality of life. I wouldn’t advocate killing them (although I’d look away if it happened) but abortion should be encouraged, including by religious groups. If a person can’t think, and barely has a human form, why is it so vilified? I can’t understand that mindset. (Of course I know Luna had a birth accident.)

Societally it’s a tough issue. I’d rather pay for a disabled child to be comfortable over paying to keep a deathfat eating, or pay to chop a mentally ill persons genitals off, but just barely, and I don’t really want my tax dollars spent on any of those. Again, the second the baby has been diagnosed with an issue that can’t be solved, hospice and palliative care should be on board, not at the point where death is 6 months away. Even creatures like Luna have medical care-a feeding tube aside from a Healy and essential oils. Robyn and Glenn didn’t even know their child was starving until they were told and a tube was put in. She should have been counseled to keep “breastfeeding” and make her daughter comfortable-give morphine as a magic potion or something.

Fear of death is a very powerful motivator. (It’s kept the world home and isolated for two years.). In a society that was healthy about death, we could have the religious folks not afraid of abortion in no hope kids, or fighting for kids like Tinsley, because they think (should) heaven is amazing and should be happy they are going. The rest know that billions of people have died and it’s inevitable, and if one can’t live, a good death is the goal and nothing to fear. Yet everybody avoids the topic, when it should happen at the very beginning. Maybe there should be social workers who help parents who have a Jaxon Strong come to terms with what he actually is doing and help the parents accept it rather than fight it to the point that children with little brain function have CPR and more pain just to ensure they can continue seizing.

Sorry, didn’t mean to sperg but I have never understood why the religious are so terrified of death when they believe there is more after, when many people know we are just gone and accept it. It seems all Western societies have forgotten we all die and not everybody does at 90 in their sleep.

 

[cuddle striker]

The last Downs autopsy we did, they died of heart cancer. It's rare as fuck. I've never seen it before.

Yes the fundie parents had this teen girl go through about a year of heavy chemo, radiation, torture. For nothing.

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

Sorry, didn’t mean to sperg but I have never understood why the religious are so terrified of death when they believe there is more after, when many people know we are just gone and accept it. It seems all Western societies have forgotten we all die and not everybody does at 90 in their sleep.

My personal theory on this, at least with regards to American Christianity, is that it's increasingly becoming a social club instead of a religion. That is, you don't have people who go to church because they believe in God or anything, you have people going because it's what they've always done, or because all their friends are there, or because it's hip to go to church, because they just like the feeling of moral superiority they get out of it. They'll talk a big game about Jesus and faith and so on when things are good, and some of them may even believe it, but then their kid gets cancer or a fucked-up chromosome or what have you, and then all that stuff goes right out the window and they rage against the heavens and demand healing from God, because all their fear and doubt and anger is boiling up inside and their true feelings are leaking out. This sort of person doesn't believe in heaven or the resurrection of the dead, not really, and so they can't stop their natural fear of death from kicking in when it comes for them or someone they love.

That's my theory, anyway.