War Invasion of Ukraine News Megathread - Thread is only for articles and discussion of articles, general discussion thread is still in Happenings.

President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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[Ponderous Pillock]

Why do people keep talking about this?

The BBC ran a show called WW3 - Inside the War Room in 2016 in which it assumes Lithuania suffers a similar infestation of Little Green Men. The UK uses its aircraft carrier task force to great effect during the scenario, prompting the Russians to use a small scale nuke to remove it from the board before blaming a "rogue commander" on the issue.

Its seeped into western conciousness since then that small scale tacical nukes if the Russians were losing badly enough would be a tactic used.

 

[Aidan]

I only see it likely if Ukraine launches a massive counteroffensive that actually chomps off a fair bit of Russian soil. Which isn't impossible at this point. I doubt public opinion, either in Ukraine or the West, will let the Russians just slink away after leaving a good chunk of Ukraine in ruins.

This is more fanfic, what are you people smoking? Ukraine is not in any way going to push back and take land from Russia, at least no in its current state. Speculating on this is retarded until there is genuine indication it can happen.

Otherwise you may as well speculate on Ukraine liberating Belarus and deposing Lukaschenko, assassinating Kadyrov, helping Georgia reclaim land, liberating Kazakhstan... the list of nonsense goes on. They need retake and rebuild before they do any offensive.

 

[Vince McMahon]

Let's say you thought they were in need of liberation, how would you do it? How do you liberate any city occupied by hostile forces?
How has anyone ever done this?

No need to answer, I think the point is obvious. Plus it's Russia doing the liberation, they're not known for being surgical.

You haven't had a war of aggression in Europe since the Second World War. If someone is willing to destroy the status quo, something that held on for 75 years, do you really think that the nukes are really that far fetched? Especially considering the performance of the aggressor army?

No need to answer, and go back to Happenings thread.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Let's say you thought they were in need of liberation, how would you do it? How do you liberate any city occupied by hostile forces?
How has anyone ever done this?

No need to answer, I think the point is obvious. Plus it's Russia doing the liberation, they're not known for being surgical.

There is also the fact that Putin has used the N-word several times when threatening the West. It's hard to ignore such a threat when it comes from the mouth of the beast itself.

This is more fanfic, what are you people smoking? Ukraine is not in any way going to push back and take land from Russia, at least no in its current state. Speculating on this is retarded until there is genuine indication it can happen.

Otherwise you may as well speculate on Ukraine liberating Belarus and deposing Lukaschenko, assassinating Kadyrov, helping Georgia reclaim land, liberating Kazakhstan... the list of nonsense goes on. They need retake and rebuild before they do any offensive.

The Ukrainians have been winning so far, especially with how much an uncoordinated mess Russia is, with out-of-date equipment going along with a military wracked with corruption, going up against a motivated foe that has no end to the list of volunteers and weapons from NATO. Meanwhile, Russia is scraping at the bottom of the barrel for recruits and vehicles, using civilian vehicles to transport troops, and enlisting otherwise ineligible men for the armed forces.

 

[Snekposter]

This is more fanfic, what are you people smoking? Ukraine is not in any way going to push back and take land from Russia, at least no in its current state. Speculating on this is retarded until there is genuine indication it can happen.

Otherwise you may as well speculate on Ukraine liberating Belarus and deposing Lukaschenko, assassinating Kadyrov, helping Georgia reclaim land, liberating Kazakhstan... the list of nonsense goes on. They need retake and rebuild before they do any offensive.

Have you been paying any attention at all to the state of the Russian military? The only thing keeping their offensive going is the fact Putin has been throwing every warm body the FSB can get their hands on at the front lines. Their big speartip offensive towards Kiev was blunted through their own logistical incompetence, their rear areas are under constant raid, and the only professional, well-equipped units Russia had (their BTGs) have been turned into fertilizer and scrap metal. We're talking estimates of about 30% overall losses among them. You tell me how well a nation can operate when 30% of their trained manpower and most effective war materiel winds up combat ineffective in a month.

 

[Aidan]

You haven't had a war of aggression in Europe since the Second World War. If someone is willing to destroy the status quo, something that held on for 75 years, do you really think that the nukes are really that far fetched? Especially considering the performance of the aggressor army?

This is just justifying retarded fanfic. I can't stress enough how it's literally just fanatic fiction on how bad Russia could be instead of focusing on how bad Russia is. It's so juvenile.

No need to answer, and go back to Happenings thread.

Sir, I was told this isn't a hugbox.

How about you people focus on posting news in the News Megathread? I'll start.

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Ukrainian officials have run more than 8,600 facial recognition searches on dead or captured Russian soldiers in the 50 days since Moscow’s invasion began, using the scans to identify bodies and contact hundreds of their families in what may be one of the most gruesome applications of the technology to date.


The country’s IT Army, a volunteer force of hackers and activists that takes its direction from the Ukrainian government, says it has used those identifications to inform the families of the deaths of 582 Russians, including by sending them photos of the abandoned corpses.

The Ukrainians champion the use of face-scanning software from the U.S. tech firm Clearview AI as a brutal but effective way to stir up dissent inside Russia, discourage other fighters and hasten an end to a devastating war.



But some military and technology analysts worry that the strategy could backfire, inflaming anger over a shock campaign directed at mothers who may be thousands of miles from the drivers of the Kremlin’s war machine.

The West’s solidarity with Ukraine makes it tempting to support such a radical act designed to capitalize on family grief, said Stephanie Hare, a surveillance researcher in London. But contacting soldiers’ parents, she said, is “classic psychological warfare” and could set a dangerous new standard for future conflicts.
“If it were Russian soldiers doing this with Ukrainian mothers, we might say, ‘Oh, my God, that’s barbaric,’ ” she said. “And is it actually working? Or is it making them say: ‘Look at these lawless, cruel Ukrainians, doing this to our boys?’ ”

Clearview AI’s chief executive, Hoan Ton-That, told The Washington Post that more than 340 officials across five Ukrainian government agencies now can use its tool to run facial recognition searches whenever they want, free of charge.

Clearview employees now hold weekly, sometimes daily, training calls over Zoom with new police and military officials looking to gain access. Ton-That recounted several “‘oh, wow’ moments” as the Ukrainians witnessed how much data — including family photos, social media posts and relationship details — they could gather from a single cadaver scan.


Some of them are using Clearview’s mobile app to scan faces while on the battlefield, he said. Others have logged in for training while stationed at a checkpoint or out on patrol, the night sky visible behind their faces.
“They’re so enthusiastic,” Ton-That said. “Their energy is really high. They say they’re going to win, every call.”

The company, Ton-That said, first offered its services last month to Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense after he saw Russian propaganda claiming that soldiers captured there were actors or frauds.
The system had primarily been used by police officers and federal investigators in the United States to see whether a photo of a suspect or witness matched any others in their database of 20 billion images taken from social media and the public Internet.
But about 10 percent of the database has come from Russia’s biggest social network, VKontakte, known as VK, making it a potentially useful tool for battlefield scans, Ton-That said.


Clearview shared with The Post emails from three Ukrainian agencies — the National Police, the Defense Ministry and a third agency that asked the company to remain confidential — confirming the software was in use. Officials at those agencies and the IT Army declined to comment further or did not respond to requests for comment. Clearview declined to identify two other Ukrainian agencies it said were currently using its software.


In emails that Clearview shared with The Post, a representative of the Defense Ministry said it had tested Clearview by scanning photos of dead soldiers’ faces and were “pleasantly surprised” when the tool returned links to the Russians’ VK and Instagram accounts.
With the military’s encouragement, other agencies tested the technology, too, Ton-That said. A National Police official said in emails shared with The Post that the agency scanned the face of an unidentified body found in Kharkiv with its head caved in and was pointed to the VK profile of a 32-year-old man who had been photographed with supporters of the Kharkiv People’s Republic, a separatist group.
Ukrainian agencies, Ton-That said, have used the app to confirm the identities of people at military checkpoints and to check whether a Ukrainian is a possible Russian infiltrator or saboteur. He argued that the system could deter Russian soldiers from committing war crimes, for fear of being identified, and said the Ukrainians are considering using the tool to verify the identities of Ukrainian refugees and their hosts as they flee for safety.


But officials’ strategy of informing families of their loved ones’ demise has raised concerns that it could anger the same Russians they had hoped to persuade. One national security expert said other Ukrainian actions — holding news conferences with captured Russian soldiers and posting to social media photos and videos showing prisoners of war — have been seen inside Russia not as a welcomed exposure to the truth but as a humiliation by the enemy.


A video that the IT Army posted to Telegram this month showed snippets of what the group characterized as conversations with Russian soldiers’ relatives. In one chat, someone who was sent photos of a Russian soldier’s bloodied face responded, “It’s photoshop!!! THIS CAN’T BE.” The sender wrote back, according to the footage: “This is what happens when you send people to war.”



In another conversation, a stranger sent a message to a Russian mother saying her son was dead, alongside a photo showing a man’s body in the dirt — face grimacing and mouth agape. The recipient responded with disbelief, saying it wasn’t him, before the sender passed along another photo showing a gloved hand holding the man’s military documents.



“Why are you doing this?” the recipient wrote back. “Do you want me to die? I already don’t live. You must be enjoying this.”
The stranger responded that young men were already dying, by the thousands. This is “the only way to stop all this madness,” the sender wrote. “How many more people must die?”
The Post could not independently verify the conversations, and attempts to reach the mother were unsuccessful. But other elements of the same video show Clearview’s facial recognition search interface alongside names of Russian soldiers. In one clip, the search of one corpse’s face reveals the VK profile of a man photographed standing on a beach. The man’s profile, which remains online, shows he followed online groups devoted to the Russian army as well as fitness, fishing and barbecue.


Beyond scanning corpses, Ukraine also is using facial recognition to identify Russian soldiers caught on camera looting Ukrainian homes and storefronts, an official with Ukraine’s Digital Transformation Ministry told The Post.


Mykhailo Fedorov, the head of that ministry, this month shared on Twitter and Instagram the name, hometown and personal photo of a man he said was recorded shipping hundreds of pounds of looted clothes from a Belarus post office to his home in eastern Russia. “Our technology will find all of them,” he wrote.
An official at the agency who spoke on the condition of anonymity told Clearview that it has used the system to identify people who had been detained in the country and check their social media for anything suspicious, including their “range of contacts.” More than 1,000 such searches were run within the first few weeks, the official said in an email that Clearview shared with The Post.
Some analysts said Ukraine could use the advanced technology to draw a contrast with Russia’s more rudimentary military equipment or to pursue humanitarian uses in a conflict marred by horrific Russian attacks.


But facial recognition search results are imperfect, and some experts worry that a misidentification could lead to the wrong person being told their child had died — or in the frenzy of war, could mean the difference between life or death. Privacy International, a digital-rights group, has called on Clearview to end its work in Ukraine, saying “the potential consequences would be too atrocious to be tolerated — such as mistaking civilians for soldiers.” (Ton-That has said Clearview’s search tool is accurate, including in cases of severe “facial damage.”)


The U.S. military used biometric scanners to collect the fingerprints, eye scans and face photos of people during the Afghanistan war, believing it could help confirm allies and identify threats. But during the troops’ rapid withdrawal last year, some of the devices were abandoned, raising fears that the sensitive data could be misused. (Clearview’s online system, Ton-That said, allows the company to quickly sever access if an account falls into the wrong hands.)
Clearview has stirred international controversy for years because of the way it gathered photos for its database, harvesting massive amounts from social media companies and other Internet sites without owners’ consent. The company has faced government investigations, ongoing lawsuits and demands from countries to delete their citizens’ data. Members of Congress have proposed blocking federal money from going to Clearview on the basis that its images have been illegitimately obtained.


In an investor presentation first revealed in February by The Post, the company said it wanted to raise $50 million to expand its offerings to private-industry clients and boost its data-collection powers so that “almost everyone in the world will be identifiable.”

Ukraine’s aggressive use of Clearview searches have pushed the private company onto the front lines of a diplomatically fraught conflict — one that even the U.S. government has engaged cautiously in, for fear of triggering a global war. Hare, the researcher, said the company appeared eager to use its Ukraine work as a way to advertise itself to government clients around the world and “cash in on tragedy.”
Ton-That said the company’s sole ambition is to help defend a besieged country. But he also acknowledged the war has helped provide a “good example for other parts of the U.S. government to see how these use cases work.”
“This is a new war,” he said. And the Ukrainians are “very creative with what they’ve been able to do.”

Jeanne Whalen in Riga, Latvia, and Magda Jean-Louis in Washington contributed to this report.

 

[CaesarCzech]

I only see it likely if Ukraine launches a massive counteroffensive that actually chomps off a fair bit of Russian soil. Which isn't impossible at this point. I doubt public opinion, either in Ukraine or the West, will let the Russians just slink away after leaving a good chunk of Ukraine in ruins.

Well the Alternative is additional escalation and there is finite lenght of escalation before we reach mass nuking.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

According to the liveUAmap the Ukies have begun counter offensives against the northern half of the Luhansk Oblast,

Highlighted AK rifles comment:

Ukrainian army counter-attack between Kreminna, Rubizhne and Sviatohirsk, Russian troops were pushed several kilometres to North-East​

Red Tank in same area:

Battle ongoing for Lozove village on the border between Donetsk and Kharkiv regions​

White flags and ak comment above:

Ukrainian military in counter-offensive in Kharkiv region. Liberated Bazalievka, Lebyazhe, partially Kutuzivka​

Lots of the bombs to the very top show the Russians continuine to just randomly shell towns and near cities with lots of reports of wounded and dead, both military and civillians.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Again, it's hard to ignore nuclear threats when PUTIN KEEPS USING NUCLEAR WEAPONS AS A THREAT. Combine that with his army's bad performance, and he might be sorely tempted to point those nukes aimed at the West on the Ukrainians. After all, is Sleepy Joe ready to end the world and start a nuclear exchange just because a few Ukrainian cities got wiped off the map? What did the West do after Mariupol, again? Oh, that's right, just keep on sitting at the sidelines sending guns and money to Kiev.

 

[Rezza]

Call of Duty tier fanfic

Ace Combat tier fanfic
If nukes are used, it's most likely only if Ukrainian soldiers entered Russian territories, just like the Belka did. But even then it's still a highly hypothetical situation

 

[Aidan]

Again, it's hard to ignore nuclear threats when PUTIN KEEPS USING NUCLEAR WEAPONS AS A THREAT. Combine that with his army's bad performance, and he might be sorely tempted to point those nukes aimed at the West on the Ukrainians. After all, is Sleepy Joe ready to end the world and start a nuclear exchange just because a few Ukrainian cities got wiped off the map? What did the West do after Mariupol, again? Oh, that's right, just keep on sitting at the sidelines sending guns and money to Kiev.

He's referring to the usual strategic nuclear arsenal which is what any world leader refers to when they refer to nukes. I can't believe this has to be said.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

He's referring to the usual strategic nuclear arsenal which is what any world leader refers to when they refer to nukes. I can't believe this has to be said.

And why the hell would he bring it up when America hasn't even entered the war yet? It's not like Sleepy Joe threatened to send 50,000 US soldiers and then Putin had to keep him at bay with the threat of nukes.

And again, with his fortunes flagging, it's hard to see him NOT using nukes.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/foreign-minister-putin-nuclear-weapons-existential-threat

https://sports.yahoo.com/zelensky-must-prepare-russia-nuclear-181735083.html

 

[Aidan]

And why the hell would he bring it up when America hasn't even entered the war yet? It's not like Sleepy Joe threatened to send 50,000 US soldiers and then Putin had to keep him at bay with the threat of nukes.

And again, with his fortunes flagging, it's hard to see him NOT using nukes.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/foreign-minister-putin-nuclear-weapons-existential-threat

https://sports.yahoo.com/zelensky-must-prepare-russia-nuclear-181735083.html

You're being retarded on purpose now just to argue. Russia and their nukes are a packaged deal.
Putin and other Russian leaders reference nukes so as to say "If anyone else joins the fray against us then these bad boys are on the table." These are strategic missiles, not "tactical nukes." The thing is, they're always on the table anyway and US intelligence early on reported there didn't seem to actually be any indication Russia had increased nuclear readiness.

Recently people have been talking about tactical nukes as if this is Cawadoody. Apparently it's based on some old documentary that I imagine also amounts to fanfic like so many modern documentaries do. I find this weird and irrelevant to the actual, more reliable threat of traditional ICBMs which Russia has continued to invest in and maintain since the fall of the USSR. It doesn't make sense to nuke your neighbor, even if you're Russia.

 

[JambledUpWords]

Ace Combat tier fanfic
If nukes are used, it's most likely only if Ukrainian soldiers entered Russian territories, just like the Belka did. But even then it's still a highly hypothetical situation

Nukes are also very expensive, so using them would have to be for a very good reason. They are more expensive to produce than typical munitions, and the materials are harder to get. Would be wiser to just use the standard bombs already in use rather than nuclear just based on finances alone. When the US used nukes on Japan, it was pretty much as a last resort and only because continuing the war rather than forcing Japan to surrender would have resulted in more deaths on both sides. Even today, it’s still a controversial topic in the scheme of war, and it was not a decision made lightly. Japan got its revenge though by introducing people in the US to hentai.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

You're being retarded on purpose now just to argue. Russia and their nukes are a packaged deal.
Putin and other Russian leaders reference nukes so as to say "If anyone else joins the fray against us then these bad boys are on the table." These are strategic missiles, not "tactical nukes." The thing is, they're always on the table anyway and US intelligence early on reported there didn't seem to actually be any indication Russia had increased nuclear readiness.

Recently people have been talking about tactical nukes as if this is Cawadoody. Apparently it's based on some old documentary that I imagine also amounts to fanfic like so many modern documentaries do. I find this weird and irrelevant to the actual, more reliable threat of traditional ICBMs which Russia has continued to invest in and maintain since the fall of the USSR. It doesn't make sense to nuke your neighbor, even if you're Russia.

Again, the sources on the ground disagree with your opinions:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/14/us/politics/putin-nuclear-weapons.html

https://www.foxnews.com/world/foreign-minister-putin-nuclear-weapons-existential-threat

https://nypost.com/2022/03/23/russia-could-use-nuclear-weapons-if-putin-suspects-existential-threat/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/3/how-realistic-is-vladimir-putins-nuclear-threat

When both the New York Times and Fox News agree that Putin is unstable enough that he considers using nukes as a possibility in this war, then yes, it's hard to deny it.

 

[Aidan]

Again, the sources on the ground disagree with your opinions:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/14/us/politics/putin-nuclear-weapons.html

https://www.foxnews.com/world/foreign-minister-putin-nuclear-weapons-existential-threat

https://nypost.com/2022/03/23/russia-could-use-nuclear-weapons-if-putin-suspects-existential-threat/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/3/how-realistic-is-vladimir-putins-nuclear-threat

When both the New York Times and Fox News agree that Putin is unstable enough that he considers using nukes as a possibility in this war, then yes, it's hard to deny it.

You've used this logic before. "If multiple news agencies report it, it can't be wrong!"
I'm not reading them, I don't even think you actually read through them all but it's not important.

• Putin almost certainly isn't kidding about using nukes
• He means strategic missiles with nuclear warheads
  • These are not "tactical nukes" as indicated by the term "strategic missile"
  • ICBMs are not meant to be used right across the border
• The threat is that if anyone escalates this, Russia is willing to go nuclear
  • This capability is real and only rivaled by the US

edit: I realized shortly after posting this that we're not even on the same page. My contention was in regards to tactical nukes in the donbas which I've seen going around the past 2 days and you're talking about nukes in general.

 

[KiwiFuzz]

Show me on the doll where Zelensky touched you.

I wish Daddy Null would give us a reacc button for "Soviet Agitprop."

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

You've used this logic before. "If multiple news agencies report it, it can't be wrong!"
I'm not reading them, I don't even think you actually read through them all but it's not important.

• Putin almost certainly isn't kidding about using nukes
• He means strategic missiles with nuclear warheads
  • These are not "tactical nukes" as indicated by the term "strategic missile"
  • ICBMs are not meant to be used right across the border
• The threat is that if anyone escalates this, Russia is willing to go nuclear
  • This capability is real and only rivaled by the US

Again, the definition of "escalating this" is up for debate. Russia considers America sending guns and cash to Ukraine as an act of escalation.

And no, you not reading the news means you can't stand proof that contradicts your narrow, Putin-centric worldview. I mean, we all ignored it when people started saying that Putin is getting ready to invade Ukraine. And look what happened.

Fox News and NYT hate the living shit out of each other. One is conservative central, the other is a longtime liberal news rag. But when they both say the same thing, it's obviously something that's far past political mudslinging.

 

[Aidan]

Again, the definition of "escalating this" is up for debate. Russia considers America sending guns and cash to Ukraine as an act of escalation.

And no, you not reading the news means you can't stand proof that contradicts your narrow, Putin-centric worldview.

Fox News and NYT hate the living shit out of each other. One is conservative central, the other is a longtime liberal news rag. But when they both say the same thing, it's obviously something that's far past political mudslinging.

We're not even talking about the same things, read my edit in the post you're replying to.

"Putin-centric worldview" go fuck yourself retard. Nothing I've ever said has been Putin-centric. You're insane and I swear you live in this thread with an autistic enjoyment for arguing about things which is why you consistently and conveniently misinterpret things.

I ask a question about tactical nukes being used in the donbas and you sperg out over Russia's very generic threat of ICBMs which they did from day one or two. Only a retard wouldn't take those threats seriously and only a retard would think those threats implied nuking Ukraine.

Checking your articles, those are so obviously talking about if Russia itself feels threatened as a state and has nothing to do with "tactical nukes." Learn to read.

 

[Vince McMahon]

go fuck yourself retard

lol calm down