Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[just a banana]

food for thought, eh...

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1516788824684339209

 

[Marley Rathbone]

That shaded blue area is around Melitopol, I was curious as to the source for that partisan resistance because this is the first I've heard about it. It appears it's this report from a week ago from Ukrainian Pravda (Archive):
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>Source: Chief Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine
I rolled my eyes so hard reading this that they fell out. If anyone could help me find them that would be great. This is the same source which is claiming a 10:1 k:d ratio for Ukraine, that the Russians have run out of ammo and supplies 3 times, and that they've destroyed just about every Russian tank and fighter operating in theatre.
For what it's worth, the BBC, which is publishing it's own map sourced from the ISW is choosing not to show the purported partisan fighting:
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In Iraq during the height of the civil war and ethnic cleansing the police under shi'ite controlled ministry of interior would block off sunni neighborhoods at night, let the black tinted SUV's full of militia members in, and they would kidnap and kill sunnis.

I think that is what the article is talking about, but the Ukrainian version.

I suspect that is what happened in Bucha after the Russians left on March 30, and the Ukrainian militias came in and killed anyone who spoke Russian and then blamed it on the Russian Army.

 

[Marley Rathbone]

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1516752535364812810?cxt=HHwWlIC-qaKZy4wqAAAA

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Biden became a U.S. Senator in 1972. The real big gas hike in '73 (because of the October war) could not have affected him in any way. STFU, Joe Brandon.

 

[Vince McMahon]

I suspect that is what happened in Bucha after the Russians left on March 30, and the Ukrainian militias came in and killed anyone who spoke Russian and then blamed it on the Russian Army.

So people call me a "nagging fishwife" and say that I add nothing of substance, yet these wild theories are a-okay? Interesting.

 

[JosephStalin]

You saw the first thread, I believe. It was no different until mods came about from time to time. They are gone now. We keep postings in new reality.
I blame Obama. He shat on my doorstep a few years back.

Have seen many threads, plenty of pigfighting and shitposting. Got plenty of smart people here, plenty of sources of info. If someone wants to pigfight someone else, why not do it via DMs? Or better yet, just put the person on ignore.

 

[St.Davis]

Because 40 was price for 2019. Today, as you know it is not 2019.

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Right, but you posted an image and article from December 2021 to support your point, which stated that the price was $40. Why did you post this article and highlight the section that says "$40" in support of your $69 figure?

Also your attachment there does not work.

So people call me a "nagging fishwife" and say that I add nothing of substance, yet these wild theories are a-okay? Interesting.

Yes, and?

 

[Meat Target]

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1516752535364812810?cxt=HHwWlIC-qaKZy4wqAAAA

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In other news, watch the skies:

 

[Vince McMahon]

Yes, and?

By launching into conspiratorial, unproven rhetoric, how exactly does one add any substance?

 

[kuuu]

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[Marley Rathbone]

The Mariupol mayhem continues...

Part 1 (link)

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Part 2 (link)

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Part 3 (link)

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Part 4 (link)

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I see the Ukrainian farm tractors are not doing their job.

 

[UVB-76]

food for thought, eh...

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1516788824684339209

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[Marley Rathbone]

So people call me a "nagging fishwife" and say that I add nothing of substance, yet these wild theories are a-okay? Interesting.

What's so wild about it? It makes more sense than if Russia actually killed civilians "just because." I mean they deliberately avoided warfare in Kiev and Western Ukraine to avoid giving the media any chance of using that kind of propaganda.

Besides, facts are facts, and the facts don't support a massacre of civilians by Russian army at all, but we have seen over and over again Ukrainian militias killing ethnic Russians in Ukraine, all up and down the Donbas.

 

[White_N]

The capture of the basements of Azovstal by Russian hordes of orcs and goblins, collorised.

 

[St.Davis]

By launching into conspiratorial, unproven rhetoric, how exactly does one add any substance?

It's not really any more conspiratorial than the idea that the Russians merked a bunch of civilians for no reason just before they vacated a location in favour of the Ukrainian Army.

Anyway I was mostly just making fun of you, because you are not a Serious Person(tm).

 

[IKOL]

That nagging fishwife is a deserter who wants other people to war over the country that he has refused to defend. Moreover he has repeatedly derailed this thread with personal insults and offering conversations in very bad faith.

Why, thanks for a reminder, it's not like I'm not aware of that from the first ever thread, which started with speculations and theories on "will happen\will not happen\ cheese pizza ice cream cone".

Fuck him.

No-no-no, don't fuck him, what if he have AIDS, and you can't be sure that he does\does not?

 

[Vince McMahon]

What's so wild about it?

We know that the Ukrainian military has committed war crimes but in a country where half of the population is distrustful of any government info by default, what is there to gain to "frame" Russian Army in this blatant manner? There's always a possibility that someone records something like that and then it's a gold mine for Russian propaganda to exploit. It's also a reasonable assumption that had the Ukrainian Army done something of the sort, military and financial aid would cease. That would kind of go against the rhetoric of the government is espousing? "please give gib plox we fight for freedom".

We also know that the Russian Amy has a record of indiscriminate killings, proven by the First and Second Chechen Wars.

I mean they deliberately avoided warfare in Kiev and Western Ukraine to avoid giving the media any chance of using that kind of propaganda.

So the warfare in commuter towns is different or will you or some of your fellows call me a "hypocrite" and tell me to go die in a trench?

Ukrainian militias killing ethnic Russians in Ukraine

Do they kill them as a result of ongoing warfare or is it because they intend to ethnically cleanse the area?

> the Russians merked a bunch of civilians

Why would Russians merk a bunch of civvies in Chechnya and Afghanistan for no reason? Destroying auls doesn't win hearts and minds and yet they've done it. Terror, maybe?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The capture of the basements of Azovstal by Russian hordes of orcs and goblins, collorised.
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[St.Davis]

We know that the Ukrainian military has committed some of the war crimes but in a country where half of the population is distrustful of any government info by default, what is there to gain to "frame" Russian Army?

Come on Vince, you can surely understand the propaganda value inherent in framing the Russian army with regards to the massacre of civilians. Other civilians are much less likely to support/trust the Russians. This is picture-book critical thinking.

 

[draggs]

Russia making very slow progress in only some of the areas it is attacking in the north and apparently not even trying to attack in the south yet just increased shelling and missile firing has had predictable results: bitch about those mean Ukiebros ruining the hugbox

 

[Uncle Buck]

I don't seem to be able to reply to your last comment from yesterday @Fools Idol, so forgive me for not manually entering your name in the quotes:

The Russians amassed around 100,000 soldiers on the border at the start of the war. That's more than enough to achieve a regime change...

Against a nation with a 500,000-person army? I disagree.

...especially with how close they where to Kyiv and the expected poor showing on the AFU's part.

I don't know that Russian decision-makers believed the AFU wouldn't put up a fight in any attempt to take Kiev, to the extent the Russian actions around it were actually a legitimate attempt to do so. Personally, I believe that was more about distraction than anything else. What you're saying reeks of narrative-shaping by Western intelligence/military analysts filtered through Western media for the benefit of Western zombies.

The conflicted in the contested regions never really ended and I don't really see a reason as to why the Russians would just stop at there.

Fair enough. The fact that you, personally, don't see why they might do something doesn't mean that they aren't going to do it, or that their rationale has to "make sense" to Western observers.

The Ukrainian gov isn't going to just let the Russians take land...

And if they want to sell the lives of a lot of people cheap just to be able to say they didn't "let the Russians take land" - to the extent that's what's occurring, as opposed to people actually living in those regions not wanting to be dominated by the illegitimate, fascist government in Kiev - well...... good luck to them; clearly, they're going to need it.

The issue with Ukraine becoming a part of NATO, EU or even hosting US nukes is a complete red herring to me.

At issue isn't whether or not those things matter to you as a person not in a decision-making role with any of the involved parties, but what they mean particularly to the leadership of the Russian Federation.

Any conflicted between Russia and NATO is going to be nuclear and Russia is in no more danger from those nukes now than they would have been if they were right on their doorstep. ICBMs are extremely fast and MIRVs make stopping them extremely hard, a few hundred miles of territory isn't going to make Russia any safer from the US.

This, primarily due to the fact that Western decision-makers circa 2022 aren't the mature, rational people of yesteryear that at least put on the appearance of caring about the greater good more than harming a perceived enemy - as their actions thus-far in this young conflict have shown. Of course, Russia had no way of knowing that the West was so collectively idiotic; I suspect few people expected the reaction to what really is little more than a territorial/border dispute among [once] closely related nations.

It's not to say it isn't a concern or that the Americans don't have from on that but if that's the goal then they've shot themselves in the foot. The whole region has been spooked and the war has driven many nations, Ukraine included, deeper into the Western sphere of influence.

The West of 2022 isn't the West of the post-WWII generation; lots of shiny things though it may wave in front of you, economically it offers little more than debt-servitude and nothing but POZ socially. With respect to degenerate freak Europe specifically, that collection of ever more irrelevant provinces produces little of lasting value and is made up mostly of parasites whose "values" are so wishy-washy they'd gladly throw them out window for the sake of bringing in perhaps the crown-jewel of shithole nations for no other reason than it thinks that it can replace Russian energy production with Ukrainian.

I don't see how this answers my question.

The jist of my statement was that, at least in the near-term, the Russians can wait out naZielensky, who's appeal is mostly a media-driven phenomenon.

Ukraine is torn between East and West, with both sides seeing any future relationship be mutually exclusive. How can Russia get what it wants out of a country that doesn't align with them on key issues?

The two sides haven't had meaningful engagement on any issues for at least several years - because the Ukrainian side has refused to take part. Personally, I don't believe the majority of the people of Ukraine want that to be the case, regardless of what the dishonest Western press wants people to believe. After all, the last thing either US/peEU bigwigs care about is the hopes, dreams and wishes of the average Ukrainian citizen.

Russia and Ukraine are neighbors, with far more ties binding them than things separating them. There's no "good" reason for them to be at odds, and no "good" reason both nations can't have good relations with Europe at large. Russia has stated that they want that. Ukraine pre-2014 wanted that. The only people who don't want are the EU/Ukrainian oligarchs and their political puppets who want to be adversaries with Russia to the benefit of no one not employed by a US defense contractor.

While I suspect Op-Z was brought, in part, with the hope of forcing them to the table, or perhaps stirring sentiment against the present regime, only time will tell if that works.

A national identity has nothing to do with what you or I think about it.

Conceptually, sure. But we're ostensibly discussing what that identity is. You brought it up; I stated that I have no idea what this "national identity" you refer to is. Now you say it doesn't matter what we think about it.

They can build it on hating the Russians, the Americans or anyone else but since you've pointed out how much the Ukrainian identity is tied to hating Russia...

The only point I've attempted to make on the "national identity" of Ukraine is that they appear to have no "national identity" outside of hating Russia - which, since clearly this didn't come across for you, is a patently stupid thing to base an identity of any sort on. And what anyone else thinks about it doesn't make it any less stupid.

If in the hypothetical situation we were talking about before, where the Russians take the country, will the Ukrainians be allowed make hating Russians their identity?

What anyone else is or isn't "allowed" to do is beyond the scope of my comments; I merely said that carving out an identity - such as it is - around disliking someone/something else - as opposed to identifying yourself by your own meaningful accomplishments - is stupid. Given that you yourself said nothing hangs on what you or I think about it, I wonder why you even ask.