Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

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Come on Vince, you can surely understand the propaganda value inherent in framing the Russian army with regards to the massacre of civilians
Yes but there are a lot of moving pieces, and with every little new cog of the conspiracy, there's a higher chance of failure.

Also, if this is a conspiracy, then it acknowledges that the Russian Army previously committed similar acts against the civilian population. For a lie to be believable, it has to be steeped in the truth.
 
Footage of the launch of the Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile from the Plesetsk cosmodrome

Putin's reaction to the successful launch of the Sarmat rocket

"I congratulate you on the successful launch of the Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile. This is a major event in the development of advanced weapons systems for the Russian army. The new complex has the highest tactical and technical characteristics and is able to overcome all modern means of missile defense. It has no analogues in the world and will not be for a long time. This truly unique weapon will strengthen the combat potential of our Armed Forces, reliably ensure security from external threats, and make those who, in the heat of frenzied aggressive rhetoric, are trying to threaten our country think twice. I would like to express my gratitude to everyone who participated in the development and production of the new complex. I would like to emphasize that when creating the Sarmat, only domestic components, components, and parts were used. This will simplify the serial production by defense industry enterprises, accelerate its transfer to the missile forces. I want to congratulate you once again. In the name of our motherland, I wish you new achievements."

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Come on Vince, you can surely understand the propaganda value inherent in framing the Russian army with regards to the massacre of civilians. Other civilians are much less likely to support/trust the Russians. This is picture-book critical thinking.
None of this silly theorycrafting going on proves anything other than the ability of the human mind to cope is unbounded

I can come up with plausible sounding reasons why the hohols dindu nuffin they gud bois but it doesn't mean anything, Russia has massacred hohols in the street and hohols have disappeared Russians into night and fog, the fuck did you expect a bunch of Slavs to do. Muh humane instincts :story:
 
What's so wild about it? It makes more sense than if Russia actually killed civilians "just because." I mean they deliberately avoided warfare in Kiev and Western Ukraine to avoid giving the media any chance of using that kind of propaganda.

Besides, facts are facts, and the facts don't support a massacre of civilians by Russian army at all, but we have seen over and over again Ukrainian militias killing ethnic Russians in Ukraine, all up and down the Donbas.
There is a lot of evidence corroborating the theory that the Russian Armed Forces had massacred civilians in Bucha among other areas outside Kiev. Eye-witness accounts, satellite images, mass graves that are far more likely to have been dug up during Russia's occupation, and so on. Occam's makes Russia the likeliest candidate to have carried out these summary executions.
 
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I can't argue with that logic. Gonna go heat up a hotpocket and watch MSNBC.
If you disagree, you can argue your position. I am not being emotional, I will be polite and as you may have seen, I am open to reason and openly agreed to a poster a few pages back that has argued about his vision of Ukraine after the war.

This isn't true at all, there isn't any truth in "Joe Biden got 80mil votes. Yet people believe it. That's what happens when you have the greatest propaganda machine and media control ever in human history.
I am not well-versed in American politics to have an educated opinion about it but I also would like to point out that while I acknowledge your position, you are moving the goalposts.
 
I would like to kindly request that the Ukrainian Armed Forces withdraw their soldiers from the Donbass, this never-ending cycle of bait needs to be ended by any means.
 
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Do they kill them as a result of ongoing warfare or is it because they intend to ethnically cleanse the area?

> the Russians merked a bunch of civilians

Why would Russians merk a bunch of civvies in Chechnya and Afghanistan for no reason? Destroying auls doesn't win hearts and minds and yet they've done it. Terror, maybe?
It is an interesting comparison, especially considering who the Russians were fighting.
Are you sure you want to compare the Ukrainian army to Islamist radicals who used civilians and their infrastructure as human shields, which led to huge civilian deaths?

you know
the things Russia accuses Ukrainian forces of doing?

Not a good look, buddy.
 
It is an interesting comparison, especially considering who the Russians were fighting.
Are you sure you want to compare the Ukrainian army to Islamist radicals who used civilians and their infrastructure as human shields and dealt bruttaly with any opposition?

you know
the things Russia accuses Ukrainian forces of doing?

Not a good look, buddy.
Not a good look to who? Fucking awesome if the hohols are even half as based as the mujahideen
 
Yes but there are a lot of moving pieces, and with every little new cog of the conspiracy, there's a higher chance of failure.

Also, if this is a conspiracy, then it acknowledges that the Russian Army previously committed similar acts against the civilian population. For a lie to be believable, it has to be steeped in the truth.
You frame it for yourself as some grand act of preplanned conspiracy, with everything done in service of it.

In reality, the idea is that SBU or whoever else that entered the town first saw a bunch of people with white armbands, thought they were moskal collaborators (russian troops also wore white armbands) so they started blasting them. Fucky-wucky ensued when it turned out they were just civvies, and then they blamed the russians for it when the next wave of ukie troops arrived.

Which everyone immediately believed because vatniks are bloodthirsty orcs who'd kill a bunch of people for fun 5 minutes before leaving. Cause they love murder so much or something.

So basically a comedy of errors.
 
You're comparing a wartime situation with a potential political machination. I'm mostly avoiding responding to your point about the 2020 elections because I have no dog in that particular fight and by changing the parameters of conversation, I am opening myself to other arguments against which I cannot properly defend myself.

Are you sure you want to compare the Ukrainian army to Islamist radicals who used civilians and their infrastructure as human shields and dealt bruttaly with any opposition?

you know
the things Russia accuses Ukrainian forces of doing?

Not a good look, buddy.
Russians have still committed violence against the civilian population. If you're going about it, then a lot of that action was of a retributive kind, thus targeting civilians as revenge for whatever was inflicted previously.
If you're trying to shift the focus from killing civilians to comparing Ukrainians to Islamists, then it's not a gotcha you think it is.

In reality, the idea is that SBU or whoever else that entered the town first saw a bunch of people with white armbands, thought they were moskal collaborators (russian troops also wore white armbands) so they started blasting them. Fucky-wucky ensued when it turned out they were just civvies, and then they blamed the russians for it when the next wave of ukie troops arrived.
Do you have proof of this situation that can settle it beyond plausible deniability?
 

That video was downresed/blurred from from this.



At 0:24 there appears to be a Ukranian flag on the uniformed guy's arm.

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Downressing video to hide armbands/patches is apparently a pretty common tactic Ukrainians use for script-flipping (Their losses become "Russians", Russian wins become "Ukrainians"), IMO you should doubt video that looks unusually potato for 2022 because it's probably for a reason.
 
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@Uncle Buck "What you're saying reeks of narrative-shaping by Western intelligence/military analysts filtered through Western media for the benefit of Western zombies." - as opposed to narrative-shaping by Russian intelligence filtered through Russian media for the benefit of Russian people and Western dissidents?
Your argument is that others are engaging in pure conjecture, but then you say your opinion was that the Kiev Feint was a success.
How the fuck do you know it was a feint and you're not being told that by pro-Russian sources?
It is an interesting comparison, especially considering who the Russians were fighting.
Are you sure you want to compare the Ukrainian army to Islamist radicals who used civilians and their infrastructure as human shields and dealt bruttaly with any opposition?

you know
the things Russia accuses Ukrainian forces of doing?

Not a good look, buddy.
The hell does that mean other than "yeah the Russians did it and those other guys deserved it"?
 
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You're comparing a wartime situation with a potential political machination. I'm mostly avoiding responding to your point about the 2020 elections because I have no dog in that particular fight and by changing the parameters of conversation, I am opening myself to other arguments against which I cannot properly defend myself.

He's comparing one lie to another. You stated that a lie "needs a kernel of truth to be believable", he provided an example where this was not the case. You are deflecting.

What the fuck are the Ukrainians doing?

Losing. Slowly.
 
So write it down faggot!

Like somehow you try to conjure reality that superpower status is not benefiting US, or it's citizens by any means. You are free to renounce your citizenship and join another nation rich in farmland and natural resurces - Russia.


Because 40 was price for 2019. Today, as you know it is not 2019.

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Russia GDP per capita: ~12k USD
Russia GDP per capita using purchasing power parity: ~26k USD
Germany GDP per capita using PPP: ~51k USD

For fucks sake, they prepared by disposing 3/4 of their financial reserves in FED and have it all frozen :story:


No. GDP doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean any of that.

Gross national product means this is how much given country produced that year. If GDP falls by 1/3, it means that economy produced 1/3 less. Or it means that rubel is worth less by 1/3. In 2013 you could buy 33 rubels for 1 USD. In 2015 1 dollar buys you 66 rubels. So it is exactly the oposite of what you said.
PPP is taking same basket of goods from different countries and comparing it. The biggest component of that basket is food. So yeah, Russia as the big food produced didnt face huge food price increases.
However, what has much lower weights in that basket are things like electornics: smartphones, laptops, tvs and more, car and car parts, forein travels or medicine. All of those are what many would consider, sign of wealth.
So, repeating the same argument doesn’t increase its adherence to reality. It’s obvious you are stuck with the GDP variable even though there are many flaws with it when used to gauge the Russian economy.

So far your thesis has been disproven by reality so we will observe the meltdown as you realize that reality will not obey our ideological whims.
 
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