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From France24 (Archive) - something of an interesting happening today. Not the ICBM test, but that Ukraine is now asking Russia for negotiations specifically regarding the remaining soldiers/civilians in Azovstal. Quoting what I think is the interesting bit:
"One on one. Two on two. To save our guys, Azov, military, civilians, children, the living & the wounded. Everyone. Because they are ours," wrote top Ukraine negotiator and presidential aide Mykhailo Podolyak on Twitter.
He tweeted after a Ukrainian commander in the besieged Azovstal steel plant in Mariupol issued a desperate plea for help, saying his marines were "maybe facing our last days, if not hours".
"The enemy is outnumbering us 10 to one," said Serhiy Volyna from the 36th Separate Marine Brigade.
"We appeal and plead to all world leaders to help us. We ask them to use the procedure of extraction and take us to the territory of a third-party state."
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The remaining soldiers are asking to be evacuated along with their wounded and the civilians to a "third party state". Anyone's guess what state they're thinking - Poland, Turkey, France, the UK?

Quoting from RT (Archive) because their emphasis is a little different than the other articles in western media I've found.
Late on Wednesday, Svyatoslav Palamar, the deputy commander of the neo-Nazi Azov regiment, released a new video address, stating that the troops were ready to leave the plant with the support of an unspecified “third party.” The fighters want to keep their personal weapons, as well as to evacuate their wounded and fallen comrades. Palamar refused to surrender to Russian forces or troops of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), which are besieging the sprawling industrial facility.

Earlier in the day, a similar address was released by Sergey Volyna, the commander of Ukraine’s 36th marines brigade, which is holed up at the plant as well. There are some 500 wounded fighters at the facility, as well as “hundreds” of civilians, Volyna claimed.
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So the Azov guys would like to surrender to a third party while keeping their weapons. Kind of a curious suggestion, I think even the most diehard Ukie supporter would admit that the remaining soldiers in Mariupol don't have a ton of leverage in this situation. Something they themselves admit:
"Powerful bombs have been dropped several times on Azovstal, we have been bombed from boats... we are under siege. The front is 360 degrees," said Svyatoslav Palamar, a commander in the nationalist Azov battalion defending the city, in a post on Telegram.
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The big question for me is these supposed hundreds of civilians who are with the Ukrainian soldiers in Azovstal. What is their relation to the AFU and Azov Battalion? Why are they more scared of surrendering to Russians than by being bombed by Russians? Are they being used as hostages, or are they staying with the soldiers of their own volition? Are there certain people among these "civilians" that certain foreign governments would not want taken into Russian custody?

I doubt we'll see definitive answers to any of these questions, but I think it's still thunk provoking nonetheless. From what I've seen of Russian treatment of civilians, soldiers, and foreign combatants is that the only people who probably won't fare well in Russian custody are Azog retards covered in Nazi tattoos.
 
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Pocket Dragoon said:
I was aware of Russian having contracted soldiers; but they can only do it after being conscripted in the first place, like a reenlistment? And not something one would do to get out of being conscripted in the first place, along with being given some choice of job-specialty?
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Usually recruitment centers in Russia have to offer a few alternatives to those who have no willingness to serve mandatory year in AF. That's either instant contract (which is getting signed for two years instead of three, but the thing is that you dolboeb just prolong your conscription, however on more... acceptable terms, so to say) or you'll have to wear the Polack skin for a year doing the alternative service which is, usually, just a low-class work with barely to no payment at all. Such thing was actual for a while.
 
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Overly Serious said:
The Ukranian govt.'s politics are American politics. They're certainly not acting in the interests of Ukranian civillians and haven't been for a long time. This may be Russia's biggest miscalculation - the expectation that Ukranian and Western govts. would act in the interests of their people.
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The anti-Russian spergs fail to understand this. With all due respect to Ukrainian civilians who have had their lives ruined by this war, it is not about them, or Ukraine itself, its about America not only challenging Russia but wanting to destroy its only capable competitor. Their problem is Russia is no longer run by Soviet bureaucrats and planned economies but capitalists as cunning as our own, maybe even more so, and now has it's own version of Russian hegemony.
draggs said:
There are zero signs that anyone is interested in casting off New York and London for Beijing and Moscow. India can't even be bothered to
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I can attest to the fact New York City is hemorrhaging residents at an astronomical rate, which accelerates every time a nigger goes crazy and kills scores of people because of "white racism". Maybe not to Moscow/Beijing right now, but there are lots of other cities all over the world that are better.
Mr Processor said:
Well, I'm sure that any that go missing will turn up somewhere.
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Africa, or anyone/place withe the money.
cistendered said:
The big question for me is these supposed hundreds of civilians who are with the Ukrainian soldiers in Azovstal. What is their relation to the AFU and Azov Battalion? Why are they more scared of surrendering to Russians than by being bombed by Russians? Are they being used as hostages, or are they staying with the soldiers of their own volition? Are there certain people among these "civilians" that certain foreign governments would not want taken into Russian custody?
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It could be all of the above; they are hostages, they support Azov and there are foreign fighters, some from NATO countries, and some that would be embarrassing for certain countries to acknowledge. I also don't think Russia is in a mood to negotiate, given that sanctions on it are the most severe ever imposed on any country in history and war has taken a toll.

Someone mentioned Russia is willing to give regular Ukrainian Army soldiers a break and allow them to surrender, the issue is will the rabid Azovites let them.

In the end these people will be thrown under the bus, the foreigners especially, by the US/UK/France/NATO, and it would not be the first time.
 
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