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Is it me or is IRyS' role as 'V-Singer' just totally redundant now? It's like a carryover of a JP branch idea that was already well on its way out and it kind of results in her getting othered because she has no formal Gen to call her own. Even AZKi can now be in Gen 0 with her peers but EN has no such members.

Even in terms of music production, her OG songs haven't really broken away from the mold, and relative to her peers actually don't perform as well (HERE COMES HOPE is her best-performing song with 886K in 6 months). Her most popular song is a cover of Suisei's original song, and her 3rd most popular is a cover of Towa's.

Kronii's original song has performed better. Calli is better known for her music production. Even hopping across the pond, Enna's original song performed better than all but one and that was released before she broke 100K subs, Finana's 'TSUNAMI' sits at 1.6m, and Millie's covers perform better overall.

In my opinion, IRyS should have been in Council with a more normal design. The lack of expectation that she would be 'the singer' would have paradoxically made her singing voice much more impactful on the audience.





You already know they'll paywall it behind the NijiFes in October and I'll have to go full Spin Doctor mode for a week.
I agree with you, but for slightly different reasons. Her original music is just meh to me, but I find her ability to entertain is higher than the cheap V-singer moniker she got. Also, her karaoke is far superior to her original music for now IMO.
 
Speaking of IRyS and her lack of karaokes, she's going to do an unarchived karaoke later. She going to try to sing songs at 1.25x speed. She already did this during a member's stream and it was great.


I never liked much of Irys's singing. Not that she's bad but her songs are just kinda "meh". When it comes to random game streams she is one of my fav EN talents. I feel like she shines the most when she's with the others, especially on song mash-ups.
Understandable. I love some of her original songs but not every song is a hit for me. Her Youtube Music Weekend special highlighted to me how great her original songs are if sung live. I wish she would sing more of them live during her karaokes but I know they are difficult to sing.
 
This has nothing to do with what I said. I said Cover is doing the same thing as INNK, not that she is from it. Then I talked about the situation specifically near her debut, I don't understand how what she was doing lately has anything to do with it. Saying she does EN songs lately is overstatement as well, they all sound like someone wrote it in japanese and then simply translated to english adjusting lyrics so it fits into a song. It's awkward and very noticeable, compare to songs actually written in english like girls from Niji or Calli are doing. And your argument that vsingers shouldn't do karaoke any more or less than other members is just bonkers. You hire a person based on their ability to sing and then they... don't actually sing. Because that makes sense. Somehow. Imagine for a second I am a newcomer who never heard about her and you try to tell me she is amazing singer and I should buy her next album. Ok, sure, let's check her out and go to her channel. Last karaoke - 3 weeks ago. Original song released almost same time as cover - has only half the views. Next karaoke - 3 months ago. Has she performed at any big event or concert - not really. Now tell me I am wrong, but what conclusion should I come up with? That she is an amazing singer and I should totally preorder the album. Or that she is so so at best and gets carried by doing covers of popular songs (even though I don't think that's the case personally)?
I am not stupid (at least I hope so) and understand why karaoke are a bitch to do, why she doesn't do them often, and why no one archives english songs. But you are missing the point. It was about expectations that were set at the start, and attracting newcomers specifically for her music as her title would suggest. She is an interesting person to watch as entertainer. Just calling her vsinger sounds dumb given she doesn't do anything much different than others. Suisei makes her own albums, so does Calli, iirc Towa and Watame did too, Mel has one albeit on roommate account. You don't need to be called vsinger to do so. I can guess why she wanted to apply for this position, given her track record she would get in, trample over everyone and secure a spot in hololive free to fuck around as she wants later. Meanwhile applying for regular spot at EN2 managers could easily overlook her musical talent if they weren't aiming to have one in the gen at a time to start with, so it was easier bet for her to land in the company.
Again. You are highlighting things that has happened during her debut and now you are back tracking saying she does have English songs but you just don't like them. You already said that she succeeded regardless so why the need to change a title when no one will care other than you and other people like you trying to rewind time and direct how things should be done from the beginning? It's not like it will change anything. I am stating the current events because obviously it shows the direction they want to take her which is more Original songs. If you follow any Vsingers, a lot of them are not that popular because of the fact they either try to just stream once a week to do that Karaoke quota that you are salivating for or get their throat thrashed because they push themselves too much therefore have to take long breaks. She's striking a balance of streaming to get attention, releasing songs every month and doing karaokes on a semi-regular basis. Try to actually make statements that makes sense in the present tense that affects her and what Cover can do to improve rather making stupid statements of what they should have done yada yada yada

Check holostats to check her actual karaoke. Archived and unarchived. Her last karaoke stream was actually a member's stream 3 days ago. The public one was 2 weeks ago and she's doing another later. https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/irys
 
Vsinger has always been a pointless designation when Suisei existed. I always felt it was an idea born of limited funds and limited ideas of vtubers from a bygone age so it seemed bizarre to slap it on Irys. I would have assumed it at least meant some kind of behind the scenes agreement for funding music and concerts but it seems like people like Watame and Marine got support for those things anyway and I doubt AZKi is going to be getting less support by dropping the title
 
Is it me or is IRyS' role as 'V-Singer' just totally redundant now? It's like a carryover of a JP branch idea that was already well on its way out and it kind of results in her getting othered because she has no formal Gen to call her own. Even AZKi can now be in Gen 0 with her peers but EN has no such members.

Even in terms of music production, her OG songs haven't really broken away from the mold, and relative to her peers actually don't perform as well (HERE COMES HOPE is her best-performing song with 886K in 6 months). Her most popular song is a cover of Suisei's original song, and her 3rd most popular is a cover of Towa's.

Kronii's original song has performed better. Calli is better known for her music production. Even hopping across the pond, Enna's original song performed better than all but one and that was released before she broke 100K subs, Finana's 'TSUNAMI' sits at 1.6m, and Millie's covers perform better overall.

In my opinion, IRyS should have been in Council with a more normal design. The lack of expectation that she would be 'the singer' would have paradoxically made her singing voice much more impactful on the audience.





You already know they'll paywall it behind the NijiFes in October and I'll have to go full Spin Doctor mode for a week.
Singing is not just about karaoke streams or putting out covers in Youtube, there's also EP and Album recording and production as well, which IRyS is obviously currently busy doing right now. Even if she's just a "VSinger", IRyS is still part of the Hololive brand, so there's no longer redundancy like the case of AZKi who was officially not part of the "Hololive" brand until recently
 
Vsinger has always been a pointless designation when Suisei existed. I always felt it was an idea born of limited funds and limited ideas of vtubers from a bygone age so it seemed bizarre to slap it on Irys. I would have assumed it at least meant some kind of behind the scenes agreement for funding music and concerts but it seems like people like Watame and Marine got support for those things anyway and I doubt AZKi is going to be getting less support by dropping the title
Here's the thing about that, while it is true that some Hololive girls do get music deals even though they are not Vsingers, this is not something that Cover can offer or make possible for everyone one of them. Marine, Watame, Towa, Suisei, Calli, Aqua and Sora are all Vtubers by designation but because of their impact, numbers and influence they got music deals regardless. You can't exactly give that to every talent even though we know that a lot of them would say yes to an offer of getting their own EP. You also notice that not all of the Hololive girls gets the same request to appear on certain events. It's always the same girls with the addition of some newbies who by all means have been getting steam like Nene. Another thing you are missing is the fact that the Vsinger role isn't really a contract to get your music produced. It's a deal to sing songs that Cover wants to produce. By that simple addendum, I'm sure none of the girls I just listed would say yes to that except for the occasional promotional song for a game.

Actually, I'm editing this to say that they do have the Bouquet Album and the recent AyaFubuMio trio. So the girls have agreed to sing parts of a song or be part of a group but not exactly a Solo act that would spearhead a whole EP. But still, all the songs were Cover controlled as far as I can recall. I think the most input that the girls has ever had was to just share what they feel about certain topics of which producers took into consideration.
 
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I never liked much of Irys's singing. Not that she's bad but her songs are just kinda "meh".
She's cursed (not really) with generic-professional-singer voice, like a commercial or backup singer. So she sounds really good doing that kind of thing, never sounds bad doing anything, and isn't memorable.

The songs she's been given are both too generic and too idiosyncratic. Her voice isn't distinctive—unless you're used to hearing her talk and can recognize small quirks—so she needs distinctive music. And Cover really needs different English translators. They're all bad: Engrish lyrics, unidiomatic subtitles, and accurate but culturally tone-deaf press releases. (I'd bet their press releases are translated by an annoyingly Americanized young woman.)

Irys's songs should sound like she looks, an innocent in a dark maze. I'd give her weird angular goth metal. Her voice is pure and her cartoon face is worried and dumb, so the music should be "scary."

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God you fags really get riled up over some stupid shit, you act like irys is stagnating or is somehow lesser because she was debuted in some way or another, when in fact she's in like the top 1% of Vtubers worldwide, but i guess we gotta complain and bitch and moan over something because there has been no drama lately and we need to have this long ass diatribe battle over the intrinsic value of her music and content.......atleast it adds more pages to the thread for lack of a silver lining.
 
You can only say this if we know exactly what is the function of the Vsinger. They specifically hired a girl that is situated in JP that can speak Japanese as well.
For an EN audience?

I think she will see more traction once she gets her 3D and start performing in events. She's not a music producer so comparing her to Calli is irrelevant. You can only use the views as a meter if Cover was only hiring a Vsinger to get numbers on Youtube which I would say is a very dumb thing to hire a person for.
They hired the #1 indie Utaite on the platform and I can assure you her multi-million view covers played no small part in getting her through the door. Now suddenly it's less about numbers and more about EPs: which other members of Hololive do without the moniker.

Lastly, I think it's going to be a terrible idea to lump her with Council most especially once she gets her 3D and starts doing events on her own without the other girls because they can't be in Tokyo.
Oh for sure. Don't lump her in with Council now. I was saying she would have likely benefitted from coming in with others. She was given 3 weeks in the spotlight with a collab ban hanging overhead before Council showed up.

When people talk about her, they talk about her streaming persona. I just find the title

God you fags really get riled up over some stupid shit, you act like irys is stagnating or is somehow lesser because she was debuted in some way or another, when in fact she's in like the top 1% of Vtubers worldwide, but i guess we gotta complain and bitch and moan over something because there has been no drama lately and we need to have this long ass diatribe battle over the intrinsic value of her music and content.......atleast it adds more pages to the thread for lack of a silver lining.
She's in the Top 1% because Connor was always right.
 
That seems to be the one!
Domo arigatou, my man.

In regards to the IRyS discussion, I genuinely believe that given the right circumstances she could have been as big as Gura numbers-wise; she just has that certain something that makes her a pure joy to watch. But numberfagging aside, she's doing just fine and I doubt she is dissatisfied either.
 
Dude, you are acting like I am personally attacking you/Irys or something, and you aren't even arguing with what was actually said by others. You came up with your own idea what me and Scuttle had said, and tried to argue against it. When I mentioned this wasn't what I said and elaborated on what you seemed to misread, you are now trying to portray it as me "backtracking", which isn't what is happening. What happening is you putting your words, into my mouth, and having a back and forth monologue instead of conversation. Just to reiterate last time. Scuttle: "calling Irys by a special name doesn't make a lot of sense, because she isn't particularly different from others, while also creating a degree of alienation towards her when it comes to group events". Me: "yes, expectations for english vsinger were to sing in english. she didnt. I think its stupid. Here, let me give examples of members in similar situation as her". You: "why you keep talking about her at the start she is totally different right now and amazing and all". Me: "because I was talking about her at the start, not right now. Sure, let me give some more examples why it still doesn't make much sense even now". You: "you all know nothing about her and don't understand anything, stop talking about her I don't like your negativity"
People can talk about something that already happened, and if you disagree with them, you need to address what already happened, not whats going on right now

On unrelated note, is there a list or something of what members appear on NijiEN streams randomly per stream? Surely someone is dedicated enough to track it. I used to watch Elira and Rosemi a lot, but with more and more gens especially the guys I found that instead of watching the stream I am waiting for someone I dislike to pop up out of nowhere and make me close it which killed all the fun. For fans constantly screeching how you should "only support the one you like" they sure as hell are trying to force me to watch everyone else too
 
For an EN audience?
Nyanners and Ironmouse participated in a Japanese Vtuber concert with no fuss even though the majority of their audience are in NA. She speaks frequently in both languages. There is a reason why people see her as a bridge to EN and JP much like Kiara.

Your views talk again is only relevant if we are talking about a Vtuber. Since we are talking about a Vsinger who is in JP, then you have to see how Vsingers actually make bank. It's usually through crowd-funding and the several in-person mini to big concerts they hold in several places in Japan. They also make bank by selling merch sponsorships and whatnot. Views are often where they get the least profit unless they already have a massive audience and is getting 1-2 mil views per song. Lastly, no smart scout would actually hire a person just because they have 1 vid that crossed 100mil views. You can go to her old account and see her MV Music numbers for the past 2 years before being hired and they are okay at best.

The girl has been streaming with a model shortly after Myth debuted. She has also streamed on a regular basis prior to that. She is one of the most qualified hires they have in the EN roster not just because she can perform live in Tokyo whenever they want her but because she's charismatic enough to hold her own when streaming.
 
"calling Irys by a special name doesn't make a lot of sense, because she isn't particularly different from others,
Let me put it this way then. She's the Vsinger because she was hired to sing songs that Cover wants to produce. If she was hired as part of Council and then Cover continues to still fund and produce music that they would like her to sing, it will make things awkward. I don't see Council getting 2 EPs + 3 OGs, why just her? Do you understand? You are all just saying she does the same thing as if she's the one producing her own music and has any say to what she gets to sing. Her streaming activities is something she does on top of her Vsinger work. The other girls have a choice and she does not. It's that simple.
 
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