Haven't seen a proper headcount of the video. A bit too short to offer any certainty. From some quick checking around a hundred is a reasonable estimate for the number of survivors shown in the video. Given none of them seemed to be wounded, it's possibly the discrepancy could be explained by the rest still being in the hospital treated for various injuries.
>Google is right there
Depends on how ground down the Ukrainian army ends up. Sounds like ammo has been a problem.
I'm glad someone else has noticed the complete lack of casualty data from Ukraine.
even Russia produces about 1.5 times more steel than the USA these days. It's incredible how far the us steel industry has fallen.
actually the Americans were there for just the last year, a few volunteers aside. The grind of trench warfare and mass casualties for 4 years destroyed France's resolve as a nation for a generation after. Ukraine's fervent patriots are all dying in mass, the apathetic ones are doing their best to surrender if they can't flee overpressured positions.
It's probably basically identical or slightly higher. Ukraine has the defender's advantage. Pretty sure they DID say how many men died, but it was about as trustworthy as the Russian's claims of their casualties, as in it's only in the one or two thousand range.
Well, a lot of it is because of Chinese steel dumping, but the US really should have put some harsh tariffs on steel imports to correct that. Trump took some steps towards this while he was in office which helped a lot, but has so far been too little too late. Other than food of course, I'd say steel, aluminum, and oil are things that if you're reliant on importing, your economy is seriously at risk if there's ever a major war or if there is a global economic crisis.
Defender's advantage doesn't matter as much as it did decades ago. "Official" media-approved estimates have Ukrainian casualties at about half of Russia's, and Ukraine itself has an even more lopsided number. When a few groups actually spoke out and said it was pretty obvious Ukrainian propaganda that NATO was accepting, they just stopped talking about Ukrainian losses altogether, and instead act like Russia's done nothing but lose troops and battles since they got there and that Ukraine is somehow on the verge of counterinvading them, which is all on the same level of reality denial as Hitler's nonexistent counterattack armies in 1945. Denying reality's what their agenda's all about though.
Besides foreign volunteers American troops were only deployed for about a year for one campaign, and though we did take pretty fucking heavy casualties it was a war that was more or less already won by that point, we just sped up the outcome (and took a little too much credit postwar).
(((Ukrainian)))
No, we need our weird soviet version of Liechtenstein to continue existing.
>Europe finally gets a state that acts like Israel
I've found Wikipedia's not too bad a source for the subject of casualties in the war, as long as you aren't interested in Russia's claims as far as how many it's killed/wounded, or Ukraine's claims as far as how many it's killed or wounded. As it stands:
| Breakdown | Casualties | Time period | Source |
|---|---|---|---|
| Civilians | 24,157–24,324+ killed (estimated)[73] 2,500–2,700 killed (processed)[74][75] | 24 February – 19 April 2022 24 February – 18 April 2022 | Ukrainian government |
| 2,435 killed, 2,946 wounded | 24 February – 21 April 2022 | United Nations[75] | |
| Ukrainian forces (UAF, NGU) | 2,500–3,000 killed, 10,000 wounded | 24 February – 15 April 2022 | Ukrainian government[76] |
| 2,000–4,000 killed | 24 February – 9 March 2022 | US estimate[77] | |
| Russian Armed Forces | 1,351 killed, 3,825 wounded[note 5] | 24 February – 25 March 2022 | Russian government[78] |
| Donetsk PR forces | 1,413 killed, 5,716 wounded | 26 February – 21 April 2022 | Donetsk PR[79] |
| Luhansk PR forces | 500–600 killed | 24 February – 5 April 2022 | Russian government[80] |
| Russian and allied forces (RAF, Rosgvardiya, PMC Wagner, DPR & LPR) | 7,000–15,000 killed | 24 February – 23 March 2022 | NATO estimate[81] |
| 10,000+ killed | 24 February – 30 March 2022 | US estimate[82] |
Cleveland-Cliffs is the largest steelmaker in the US I believe.
The counter invasion shit is pure copium, but at the same time there is a real chance of this invasion failing without mobilization on Russia's part, depending on what you believe their goals to be at least, such as landlocking Ukraine.
Pretty shit and all over the place.
I'd imagine it's something like 10,000 KIA + WIA for Russia and 18,000 KIA + WIA for Ukraine, fairly close to a 2:1 but not all there given that there's a general parity between them in terms of numbers and equipment. If/when Russia starts sending in frontline units that'll more than likely change. I think Russia's underreported their losses overall, but I think their estimates are still more accurate than Ukraine's. Last I checked they were claiming something like a 10:1 ratio against Russian forces. It's important to note though that Ukraine doesn't have that bad of a military. Russia's stronger, but they've mainly sent in secondary or reservist units against the entirety of Ukraine's army. The media's trying to paint Russia as fighting the equivalent of Somalia and getting its ass kicked, when in reality it's fighting a competent regional power and achieving success with a few setbacks. I feel bad for both armies losing men while their leaders, especially Zalenksy, are treating it like a political game or something though.
To be fair, the American entry into the war in 1918 had shocked the Central Powers, as they did not expect the US to rearm and ship their men over that quickly. (Sounds familiar, doesn't it?) Prior, they were already drawing up plans for extending the war into 1919 and beyond, but the sheer weight of numbers (even if the actual American performance in the war were shockingly dismal) convinced Hindenburg and Luderhoff that there was no fighting their inevitable loss.
Well then, demoralization is back on the table. I have doubts that the average Ukrainian from the Kiev suburbs is going to be happy to be sent to what is the Ukrainian equivalent of "Ohio".
It's sourced and dated estimates. Makes for a nice starting point for the minimums. After that you're left either getting into evaluating how plausible Russia and Ukraine's claims about their kill counts are, or just straight up pulling numbers out of thin air.
Last I checked was a bit over a week ago. Ukraine's claims were at a roughly 7:1 ratio, while Russia was the one claiming a 10:1 ratio. Looking back to what we were arguing at the time, Russia was claiming 14,000 Ukrainian soldiers killed and 16,000 wounded as of March 25th, while Ukraine as of April 15th was claiming 19,000 to 20,000 Russian soldiers killed(article linked just said casualties but was clearly using it to mean killed), and no estimate of how many they'd wounded.
