General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

There is no way anyone with corpo connections would touch someone as radioactive as Rushia and make a model for her. There is a huge difference between being paid extra to make it good and quick for someone who retired with grace, and make it "preferrably yesterday" for someone who got into a scandal and got fired for breaking NDA. Also assuming she saw the writing on the walls and immediately committed to making a model it doesn't look like something that was done in 2 months, unless the guy no-lifed his way into it. She must've had it ready for a while or at least commissioned in advance
edit: On the topic of collabing with stars, they said multiple time they don't want to collab with hololive and especially with EN branch only for the purpose of getting exposure and sharing the audience. They want domestic viewers that speek japanese, are interested in entire group, buy their merch, go to their concerts and make up their core audience. They don't want pity subs, they don't want people only watch them for collabs, their biggest problem right now is lack of "presence", they exist and make decent money but they arent a brand to attract investors and sponsors for their own events. Sharing it with girls isn't gonna solve it, even less so with EN girls
 
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White Stone said:
Sure, you have a point. But I have seen way too many comments in the vein as "I wish EN management would stop blocking collabs, all the girls clearly want to do it. I want my Ame x XXX and Gura x XXX collabs. AKA, trying to speaking on behalf of the girls they barely even watch, because if they do, they would know that some of the girls have straight-out expressed, or implied that they have no interest.
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Redditors tend to only speak in a binary of 'this applies to everyone' and 'this applies to no one', which gives rise to statements like 'NijiEN were caught talking shit about HoloEN' rather than 'A couple of people maybe said something questionable', or 'Everyone wants to see this happen!' rather than 'I, personally, want to see this happen, and I'm sure others do, too!'

The side effect to this is that you'll come across large swathes of people who talk over each other, or quickly end up in arguments relating to speaking on someone else's behalf etc. and it mostly devolves from there.

The fact of the matter is, though, that interest between members of both companies exists publicly, and you could make a reasonable argument for interest to exist between members that haven't mentioned it on stream.

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I think a lot of people just don't realize how busy the hologirls' schedules are. At least for the JP girls, I think they are doing various dance/vocal/etc training on a daily basis.
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JP girls, sure. I can assure you EN are not doing daily dance/vocal lessons, and I sincerely doubt that Kiara's schedule is so busy that she can talk about wanting to collab with Pomu for 9 months and not have the time to do it.

Same goes for Ollie. She does not have all these collabs planned out so far in advance that her collab with Selen falling through causes Selen to say that it'll be 'maybe next year' to rectify that. She didn't have 3D, she didn't have much to do for HoloFes or whatever it's called, she wasn't really doing anything crazy between then and now to justify such a big gap.
 
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Bingeamint said:
So doing a look into mikeneko new model because I'm curious.

Model maker/rigger: https://twitter.com/otozuki_teru
Illustrator: https://twitter.com/ookami_ciro

Far as I can tell they have done nothing for big corporate vtubers, only for the indie scene looking back into their past works now. No idea if there some deeper meaning using some lesser known illustrator/rigger but hey ho. Model looks very decent and looks like they pulled all the stops out because of who she was now.
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She asked for people who were able to help her a few weeks ago on Twitter (now deleted). They got in touch with her and she had very few requests, outside I imagine that she wanted them to stay close to her already established art (and possibly cat ears). Mainly because she wanted it fairly quick. The illustrator only took a few days, the rigger took a week. She was happy with the first draft and said it was really cute, and mentioned that even after she said that they made a few last-minute additions and changes. (like the Chuuni pose I bet)

That they managed that in such a short time speaks volumes about how hard Gura is being screwed over.
 
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JP girls, sure. I can assure you EN are not doing daily dance/vocal lessons, and I sincerely doubt that Kiara's schedule is so busy that she can talk about wanting to collab with Pomu for 9 months and not have the time to do it.

Same goes for Ollie. She does not have all these collabs planned out so far in advance that her collab with Selen falling through causes Selen to say that it'll be 'maybe next year' to rectify that. She didn't have 3D, she didn't have much to do for HoloFes or whatever it's called, she wasn't really doing anything crazy between then and now to justify such a big gap.
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Even JPs collabs outside even if they are busy. ENs can certainly collab with anyone and find time if they were able and willing. I don't really want to go on with how busy each of the girls are because we know the HoloFes was a thing and MYTH was indeed doing a lot in the background and really, that isn't really a factor if the person is able to do so and really wants to collab with the other person.
 
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Scuttle said:
Redditors tend to only speak in a binary of 'this applies to everyone' and 'this applies to no one', which gives rise to statements like 'NijiEN were caught talking shit about HoloEN' rather than 'A couple of people maybe said something questionable', or 'Everyone wants to see this happen!' rather than 'I, personally, want to see this happen, and I'm sure others do, too!'

The side effect to this is that you'll come across large swathes of people who talk over each other, or quickly end up in arguments relating to speaking on someone else's behalf etc. and it mostly devolves from there.

The fact of the matter is, though, that interest between members of both companies exists publicly, and you could make a reasonable argument for interest to exist between members that haven't mentioned it on stream.


JP girls, sure. I can assure you EN are not doing daily dance/vocal lessons, and I sincerely doubt that Kiara's schedule is so busy that she can talk about wanting to collab with Pomu for 9 months and not have the time to do it.

Same goes for Ollie. She does not have all these collabs planned out so far in advance that her collab with Selen falling through causes Selen to say that it'll be 'maybe next year' to rectify that. She didn't have 3D, she didn't have much to do for HoloFes or whatever it's called, she wasn't really doing anything crazy between then and now to justify such a big gap.
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There's still vocal recording/training, especially if they're making cover or original song. Even more so if they're asking for MV or something like that. There's planning for various events, streams, collab, merchandise, and all shits like that. Then there's also downtime for their own personal life, like study/college for people like Ollie and Mumei. And that's not counting for their non-Holo projects/ stuffs. If you really think the EN and ID are not busy, you're definitely touched in the head

Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if you actually are
 
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Why is it Botan always goes the extra level with thumbnails. Most just quickly slap together the people in the collab side by side and add a title and call it a day. But nope, she spent that extra 5 mins replacing the heads. Never change hag lion
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As it is soon might as well link the actual Collab now. Holodex link included
Holodex link for all 4 views: https://holodex.net/multiview/AAMMfdJ9OVQc7e4,AMMMfYIA9pdSuQ4,MAMMK1wStJxm4F0,MMMMW3Re7cwPUWM

 
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Rezza said:
There's still vocal recording/training, especially if they're making cover or original song. Even more so if they're asking for MV or something like that. There's planning for various events, streams, collab, merchandise, and all shits like that. Then there's also downtime for their own personal life, like study/college for people like Ollie and Mumei. And that's not counting for their non-Holo projects/ stuffs. If you really think the EN and ID are not busy, you're definitely touched in the head

Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if you actually are
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Members of every company are releasing covers, mixing, making MVs, doing studies or working full-time because the V-Tuber pay isn't as lucrative for them, merch, collabs, events, personal projects and life balancing. I did not describe them as 'not busy', I questioned their 'busyness' being to such a degree that a cancelled collab in the middle of the year would take well into the next year to reorganise when basically everyone else can do it in a few weeks at most.

I don't like you, and I know you try to see the worst in everything I say; but in the future, do try to pay attention to the words you're reading and what they mean before randomly jumping in to a civil conversation, read something that wasn't said, and then have the cojones to describe someone else as 'touched in the head'.
 
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It's not hard to believe that Hololive has a tolerance for the lewd stuff because they, like most idols, depend on it to keep the otakus around. There aren't a lot of otaku that actually want a pure thinking girl, they just want them not to be with someone else, and so the lewd stuff will keep a lot of them placated. However, I was surprised that Matsuri has never once even been spoken to about the very VERY lewd stuff she talks about. I had imagined at least one of her statements would've riled up enough people to maybe initiate some kind of light response from management, but she claims that she has not ever had anyone talk to her about it. That's pretty wild to me.
Between Irys trying to get her in bed and Matsuri deciding between a cruise date or helicopter ride I'm not sure how long Sora will last. She's being assaulted on two fronts.
On the topic of collabs being discussed right now; all I'll say is that I want people who very much want to collab to be able to do so. There's honest to God no excuse that PomuTori can't happen when they both want it, and all the fans who aren't retarded want it for them so they can be happy and have a good time together. One on one collabs like this are easy, and I will even go so far as to claim that it is surely only an unrestrained pettiness that stands in the way of this completely harmless collab. If there's actually some kind of weird corpo guideline keeping them from doing it instead of pettiness, then that means it's incompetence which is just as bad if not worse.
 
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RainwaterDrop said:
Funny how this shit always happens to no-name vtweeters nobody gives a fuck about, while much bigger names with widely known roommates don't get any of that. It's almost like they are making shit up to get their name around!
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This wasn't a vtweeter. It was a Twitch thot with 600k totally not bot followers and roughly 400 concurrents who watch her deepthroat an ASMR mic. She was just using the vtuber tag because Twitch is gonna do fuckall to enforce their own ToS and had a meltdown when someone asked her to stop (very nicely).

It's a giant mess right now with xQc doubling down on it being okay for him to use the tag as well and vtubers should just get over his latest abuse of ToS. Doesn't help that the vshitters like Ironmouse see no problem it (probably because they appear on the front page regardless.)
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In general, do smaller Vtubers ever show up on this thread? or just the mainstream ones? I don't think I've seen many indies talked about here
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Unless they're really big, it hardly ever happens. Shylily only got talked about here recently because of the beef with vei. Nobody talks about Bubi (for good reason since it's fuckin' Connor) and many of the people I watch and am close personal friends with never make it here because they're also 2views or they just fly under the radar due to being Twitch exclusive and smaller partners.

Least one of my best friends got Koe so bad he nearly fell out of his seat.

 
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Scuttle said:
Members of every company are releasing covers, mixing, making MVs, doing studies or working full-time because the V-Tuber pay isn't as lucrative for them, merch, collabs, events, personal projects and life balancing. I did not describe them as 'not busy', I questioned their 'busyness' being to such a degree that a cancelled collab in the middle of the year would take well into the next year to reorganise when basically everyone else can do it in a few weeks at most.

I don't like you, and I know you try to see the worst in everything I say; but in the future, do try to pay attention to the words you're reading and what they mean before randomly jumping in to a civil conversation, read something that wasn't said, and then have the cojones to describe someone else as 'touched in the head'.
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"Civil conversation"
Yeah, sure, it isn't the usual concerfagging like Holostars fagging. Seriously, how many times have people talk about collab ban this week alone? At thia point it's as regular as your usual Kiara/Calli doomposting
 
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This wasn't a vtweeter. It was a Twitch thot with 600k totally not bot followers and roughly 400 concurrents who watch her deepthroat an ASMR mic. She was just using the vtuber tag because Twitch is gonna do fuckall to enforce their own ToS and had a meltdown when someone asked her to stop (very nicely).
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Pretty sure the majority of her stream time is pre-recorded loop as well, so she's not even doing anything the most of the stream time.
 
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Why is it Botan always goes the extra level with thumbnails. Most just quickly slap together the people in the collab side by side and add a title and call it a day. But nope, she spent that extra 5 mins replacing the heads. Never change hag lion
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As it is soon might as well link the actual Collab now. Holodex link included
Holodex link for all 4 views: https://holodex.net/multiview/AAMMfdJ9OVQc7e4,AMMMfYIA9pdSuQ4,MAMMK1wStJxm4F0,MMMMW3Re7cwPUWM

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This makes me wonder if IRyS is around their age? Because if it is.. Hags collab to shoot shoot he dead
 
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Rushia's new face:

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I honestly like it a lot.
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I feel the design went too far in the crazy direction. The default face has blank eyes, the bandages around her wrist, the weird doll, blood on her yandere face, etc. There's no setting that is just plain cute, it's all varying degrees of crazy.

The rigging being off at points also adds to the general creepiness like the position of the mouth relative to the chin and the fact that her pupils go cross-eyed and don't track normally at times. It'd be a nice yandere alt costume but if it stays her default I feel it's a design that will filter some viewers.

I'd have gone with a cute design that's more complementary to her personality like the png she was using before. But really just fixing the eyes would be enough since everything else doesn't need to be shown while streaming.
 
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