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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Russia best hope now is trench warfare along with occasional bombing of Ukrainian cities like Odessa etc to discourage investment, while keeping war continuing so there is no rebuilding investment. Inflation and Energy prices will fuckup Europe and starvation in Africa might cause another Invasion crisis. Ruskies are pretty spiteful so its something pretty much possible.
This is why basement-dwelling fuckers should not be allowed to talk.
I get it you are on team child rape AKA Russikes and you want them to win, but this is pure retarded cope from your animals.

Yes, Africa could see a massive migration and issues, but that would only push Europe to be more aggressive as Germany is changing course and turning more normal and less idealistic.
Europe also is setting up camps in Africa to dumb the refugees, so it could be a problem or it won't be. However, a food crisis like this can not keep happening as people die or new alternatives are found.

Now for inflation and Energy prices, this is a short-term problem.
One cheap and available source is now lost, but the Europeans are divesting from it.

We will see more Nuclear, more wind, more solar, and whatever else comes up. They are also setting up alternative sources from the middle east and from Africa.

Russian on the other hand has nothing.
They have more inflation, worse infrastructure, and a population that is decreasing by a million each year, before the war.
 
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Feels like these updates are all pretty much the same most of the time. Going to be interesting how this Battle of Donbaschwael will develop in the next weeks. Let's say Russkies completly wreck their reserves and also fail their heavily spoilered "actual offensive", how will Monke react? I mean it's either full mobilization or drop a small nuke on the Ukrainian fortifications. Both will have catastrophic consequences for Moscow so it will be picking the lesser evil.

But us Eurocucks will also suffer, especially when he goes full mobilization. I can hardly imagine that he can justify scraping the barrel with only going for Ukraine. He will probably turn this into some "Great Patriotic war against the NATO nazis" and attack the Baltics and maybe Finland too. I mean Poodin is not fully insane (yet) but he is definetly a narcistic asshole with a tiny ego and he would never accept defeat on the battlefield.
 
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I can't disagree, unfortunately this does nothing to the top brass so the shittiness will continue until all of them are deposed from power. The only way Russia could change any of its entranced shittiness is if their entire hierarchy were gutted top to bottom & the country had to start again from scratch.
They did that and they fucked themselves. Example: Stalin's Army Purge.
 
This is why basement-dwelling fuckers should not be allowed to talk.
I get it you are on team child rape AKA Russikes and you want them to win, but this is pure retarded cope from your animals.

Yes, Africa could see a massive migration and issues, but that would only push Europe to be more aggressive as Germany is changing course and turning more normal and less idealistic.
Europe also is setting up camps in Africa to dumb the refugees, so it could be a problem or it won't be. However, a food crisis like this can not keep happening as people die or new alternatives are found.

Now for inflation and Energy prices, this is a short-term problem.
One cheap and available source is now lost, but the Europeans are divesting from it.

We will see more Nuclear, more wind, more solar, and whatever else comes up. They are also setting up alternative sources from the middle east and from Africa.

Russian on the other hand has nothing.
They have more inflation, worse infrastructure, and a population that is decreasing by a million each year, before the war.

What makes you think i want Ruskies to win ? Russia is tool and weakened russia AFTER it manages to weaken Neolibs in the West is preferable because it cant then exploit european weakness.

Second paragraph seems to be unable to realize that i dont give fuck about Russias fate after it outlives its usefulness, Europe getting more agresive and more selfish instead of all humanistic and multiculturalist is positive thing, Advantage of migration crisis and accerelation is that it changes sentiment of Europeans and hopefully helps toward making shift from Humanitarianistic helping Africans at cost of our people to African exploitation, the important thing here is to get rid of neolibs to ensure new elites dont pocket it all.

Third, i dont give fuck about climate or source of energy i give fuck about how its advantageous or disadvantageous.

Fourth. Once again i only care about Russia so far as they are useful tool while they are still usefull after they outlive their usefulness i wouldnt be adverse about economical colonization straight from 90s.
 
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Notice I said "at worst"? Yes, there are people in Azov who fight for white supremacy but so far, I didn't hear anything coming out of Azov where they argue for genocide and extermination.
On the other hand, you're siding with a power that is arguing for actual extermination and genocide, all in a name of "great reset".


There's a difference between fedposting and calling for societal upheaval, displacement and starvation just so that those people would vacate a top spot.

Once again you mistake strategy for ideology. Your argument is equivalent to Stating that Hitler supported Ukrainian statehood because for while he found Ukrainians useful and would deal with them permanently once he no longer needed them.

As for second yeah, One is trolling and provocation the other Genuine stuff you might understandably not approve of.
 
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Once again you mistake strategy for ideology. Your argument is equivalent to Stating that Hitler supported Ukrainian statehood because for while he found Ukrainians useful and would deal with them permanently once he no longer needed them.
Please re-parse your sentence, I genuinely am unable to understand what you mean.
 
how will Monke react?
Turn Mariupol into a provisionally victory, maybe try to attack Odessa in the south instead, offer Zelensky a cease fire and turn this into a stalemate trench warfare. I can hardly imagine that Eurocucks and America will help the UA army to achieve a total victory over the Russians since it would just trigger a irrational response from Monkee. They will provide them with enough heavy arms to do some occasional push backs large enough to weaken the Russian forces but not enough to drive Russians back to the border/retake Crimea.

Situation in the Donbass will turn into a European Syria and Monke will withdraw his troops once both sides are completly unable to start any meaningful offensives for the next 10 years. Endproduct will be the same situation as prewar but with Russian control over the ruins of Mariupol and some gains outside of Donezk large enough too maybe prevent UA artillery from shelling Seperatist positions.
 
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Please re-parse your sentence, I genuinely am unable to understand what you mean.

Okay to simplify it arguing that im russia fan because i find the useful tool for my own agendas and about who i couldnt care less in terms of wellbeing and wouldnt have anything against it getting put down or subject to 90s economic pillaging once it outlives its usefulness,

is like arguing that Hitler was in favor of independent Ukrainian State, just because he found Ukrainian nationalists useful for the moment and would have them eliminated once they outlived their usefulness.

TL:DR dont equate making use of something with supporting it.
 
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What makes you think i want Ruskies to win ? Russia is tool and weakened russia AFTER it manages to weaken Neolibs in the West is preferable because it cant then exploit european weakness.
This line of thought is fucking retarded.
Option 1
Russia wins and becomes stronger due to control of a large portion of the worlds food supply.
Option 2
Ukraine wins and Nato/Globalists win all while Russia is weakened

One of the only possible situations where both sides come away weakened is if Putin puts out indisputable proof Joe Biden is a pedophile and took bribes and rigged elections. After which Zelensky shoots Putin and then himself while also cluster bombing Israel, Saudi Arabia, and China into dust. That's even less likely to happen than Putin saying "Sorry Vadim, we fucked up"
 
Okay to simplify it arguing that im russia fan because i find the useful tool for my own agendas and about who i couldnt care less in terms of wellbeing and wouldnt have anything against it getting put down or subject to 90s economic pillaging once it outlives its usefulness,

is like arguing that Hitler was in favor of independent Ukrainian State, just because he found Ukrainian nationalists useful for the moment and would have them eliminated once they outlived their usefulness.

TL:biggrin:R dont equate making use of something with supporting it.
You removed the degenerate elite through whatever means you thought were right.

Now what? What's your plan for the future?
 
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As you can see, you can do the same shit with the russians. This whole "muh azov nazis" shit is just boring at this point, last I checked it wasn't fucking azov invading russia and slaughtering people in russian villages and towns and seriously, fuck off with the angle of "but muh russian speaking people" if russia cares so much they're a big country, they can resettle every single russia speaking person on this planet to eastern russia for safekeeping from western russophobes and it would still be mostly empty.

If anything, russia has proved those people right, russians are an active threat, so expect more azov-like groups to pop up in the future, not only in Ukraine, russia has shown every single country that is it's neighbor that it's a dangerous and unhinged country ruled by an insane retard.
 
You removed the degenerate elite through whatever means you thought were right.

Now what? What's your plan for the future?

*Start rebuilding, not only repairing the damage caused during the ouster but the damage done during elite long rule,

*start building the trust between sections of society as well as between society and goverment,

*shift whatever international influence still remains to instead of influencing other countries for benefit of elites wealth and their projects to instead influence other countries toward benefit for your own population, IE economical advantages etc instead of the Democracy exports.

*start dismatling the whole self censoring atmosphere since to fix problems you need to know where they are and the best way to do that is let people speak freely, it will be more often accurate than not.

*start shifting economy somewhat leftwards shift it from Neoliberalism to Social democracy, pair it with significant enforcement measures to ensure the Social system is not abused and dont be afraid to go hard on that crackdown.

*reform law and criminal justice, neither swedish nor american system is solution and better way needs to be found.

*pair humanitarian aid both with interest of West as well as concentrating the help into the few African states that have their shit atleast somewhat together in order to create some sort of what could be called shining light in Africa to divert imigration towards those spots instead of Europe, Instead of blessing rains down in Africa with Gibs.

* Look at Campaign and Politician financing

* Start cracking down on Megacorps in strategic sectors where they could wield influence other than economical and prevent them from that, we dont need Blackrock,Meta,Disney etc finding their niches through which they can do shadow politics.

There is plenty of more but i think its best if you ask about specific areas rather than Now What.
 
This line of thought is fucking retarded.
Option 1
Russia wins and becomes stronger due to control of a large portion of the worlds food supply.
Option 2
Ukraine wins and Nato/Globalists win all while Russia is weakened

One of the only possible situations where both sides come away weakened is if Putin puts out indisputable proof Joe Biden is a pedophile and took bribes and rigged elections. After which Zelensky shoots Putin and then himself while also cluster bombing Israel, Saudi Arabia, and China into dust. That's even less likely to happen than Putin saying "Sorry Vadim, we fucked up"

Option 3 Long Stalemate - Russia weakened West split between those who feel that West intervened too much versus they didnt Interfere enough. Russia resentfull of west ala Post WW I Germany, Ukraine resentfull towards Russia and feeling abadonned by the West, Increasing Migration wawe causing instability in Europe, Europe leaning harder into its New Deal shit but without the Russian resources they wont have any space within which to maneuver when the Green Deal doesnt work and causes more resentment within population, deteoriaritating economic conditions causing radicalisation.
 
Rebuilding what? You have exterminated large chunks of the population to get a top drawer free, Georgia Guidestones style.
Thats only if Neolibs get to lead the fight. If you start gunning the wawes down at the sea, isolating the invasive populations, deploying chemical weapons and fighting war properly instead of Geneva convention towards Suicide bombers, you can limit the damage, if you have no compassion towards enemy it not only eases elimination of enemy it also means you need to spent less resources on that meaning you have more on protecting your own population.
 
Thats only if Neolibs get to lead the fight.
You're suggesting for Russians to continue having at it, so that "the global elite" will not be persuaded to intervene in this situation any further. And you suggest targeting critical infrastructure and bombing campaigns. How is neoliberalism related to this?

If you start gunning the wawes down at the sea
What does that mean?
isolating the invasive populations
Isolate invasive populations? Do you mean people who are running away from the global starvation event your ouster fight has triggered? Good luck! That would result in even more casualties.

deploying chemical weapons and fighting war properly instead of Geneva convention towards Suicide bombers, you can limit the damage
Deploying chemical weapons against suicide bombers? Do you know how chemical weapons work? You are using a bunker buster to kill a fly.

So not only do you want to starve loads of people, but you also want to gas loads more to rebuild what...? I'm still waiting to hear what exactly is that you want to rebuild after this.
 
Why can't Russian boomers just watch endless reruns of the Allied defeat of Nazi Germany on the History Channel like American boomers do?
hard to get much enjoyment out of their ww2 "victory" when current year russia is smaller and weaker than it was pre ww2. the collapse of the soviet union has undone almost everything russia has won in that war, and then some.

Well put. The reprobates in the other thread and cesspools like /chug/ think just like the college campus commies of today where once based Russia or China takes the reins they'll be uplifted into the the roles of enforcers or commisars. They're so desperate for a shuffle in society they'll root for people that are admittedly worse than the status quo just for a chance to be on top while failing to see at best they'll stay where they are and at worse they'll be shipped out to a commune mining copper ore 6 days a week.
that's still optimistic. as i see it, beings shipped out to a commune mining copper ore 6 days a week is the best case scenario, the worst case is getting rounded up and deported to extermination camps, like the uyghurs. this is the treatment russians and chinks give to what they consider hostile populations, and they certainly do consider westerners hostile.
 
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hard to get much enjoyment out of their ww2 "victory" when current year russia is smaller and weaker than it was pre ww2. the collapse of the soviet union has undone almost everything russia has won in that war, and then some.
That and their WW2 victory was bankrolled by those icky poo Americans ranging from pure cash to food supplies and just general supplies like shoes and shit. That's not even saying anything about tank parts and shit.
This line of thought is fucking retarded.
Option 1
Russia wins and becomes stronger due to control of a large portion of the worlds food supply.
Food isn't some high end super commodity that each country can't grow on their own.
If anything, there's hope for less globohomonopoly on the food industry from all this shit, or at least lets hope so lol
Option 2
Ukraine wins and Nato/Globalists win all while Russia is weakened
Nato doesn't give a fuck about controlling Russia, which is basically an impossible goal.
Putin was a globogoblin already, fuck knows what made him lose his shit and star a war for fuck knows what.
At the very best the globohomos can hope to install a moderately pro western shill who'll still have to be publicly loudmouthed pro Russian to appease the oligarchs.
One of the only possible situations where both sides come away weakened is if Putin puts out indisputable proof Joe Biden is a pedophile and took bribes and rigged elections.
Won't change anyones outlook on what a faggot Putin is himself whom the American may have their own compromat.
After which Zelensky shoots Putin and then himself while also cluster bombing Israel, Saudi Arabia, and China into dust. That's even less likely to happen than Putin saying "Sorry Vadim, we fucked up"
I'm hoping for Darth Vader landing with an Imperial Fleet and choking all the gays with space magic.
 
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