Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

[Treasure Champs]

Oh wow, this is the delicious meltdown I didn't know I needed. Of everything O'Neill criticized, Joe is most bothered about his assertion that the word 'titties' is not a word that women generally use to refer to their breasts.

He's right, of course, 'titties' is a troon word, like 'skirt go spinny' is a troon phrase or referring to their neovag as 'her' is a troon thing to do.

And the second thing he's stuck on is the idea that O'Neill didn't read it. Because.... what, if he had really read it, he would have been overcome by its brilliance instead of repulsed? Is Joe so entitled that he believes he can discredit O'Neill on a technicality instead of actually speaking to the repulsive misogyny that was detailed in the piece?

I hope Joe stays mad for ages. #tittygate

 

[The Other One]

And the second thing he's stuck on is the idea that O'Neill didn't read it. Because.... what, if he had really read it, he would have been overcome by its brilliance instead of repulsed?

Yes! He really really thinks that anyone of sufficient brains and fair-mindedness who fully engages with the book would have to be impressed.

 

[White Peach]

So let me get this straight, a professor from a world class university is doing a book tour in a first world country and has to beg for help to fill a prescription on social media? What is wrong with this picture?

 

[FarmVille]

“No one will read my book even if paid to do so“

take that critics

 

[behindyourightnow]

Praise the lord Krishna for this blessed milk!!! Thank you for the recap, @Potatis Salad .

This meltdown provides a good example of Joe's famed "debating": he does his own version of a Gish gallop, where he seizes on a point he decides can be a weakness ("women don't say titties"), argues against it in a way that deliberately misinterprets what the other person was saying ("are you saying that women only refer to their breasts using the word 'breasts'?") and also adds a lot of florid, unusually formal language ("referring to their bodies in only the most austere, guileless ways") that he thinks will intimidate the other person into believing that Joe is more educated than them, and therefore correct.

Compare the short, declarative sentences that O'Neill uses, even when conveying a rather complex idea:

You have the upper hand here, because capitalism’s prejudices coalesce with yours. So there is no scope for a free, honest discussion. THIS is the problem.​

​

To this:

what hope is there—for example—for an answer to a question like “how much were you paid to pretend to have read my book?” but never mind. it is, nonetheless, rather odd, don’t you think, that all the *actual* bosses seem to support you? I wonder if you’re aware, for example, that you’re talking to someone who was kicked off twitter not—like those whose tears have been licked up by the BBC and the Mail recently—for randomly accusing educators of being pedophiles and mocking the appearance of teenagers—but for stating an opinion on Her Maj that was, once a time, shall we say, mainstream?​

That's only two sentences! But look at all the little clauses and asides he throws in, once again probably in the hope that people will either be intimidated by trying to follow it all, or simply find it tiring and giving up (either way, he decides he has "won")

We all know what you're doing, Joe. The only people who fall for it are your midwit followers, and there are not many of them.

And he even manages to toss in a big of misogyny just for those of us who would have been disappointed otherwise, with his reference to Helen Joyce "wringing her hands" on Twitter (when all she did was retweet the review and wonder how the book got published). No one's wringing their hands, Joe, we are all just laughing.

Also.... seriously, Austin Powers? I'm not even that much younger than you, Joe, but even I know that Austin Powers references were already cringe 10 years ago. Did your cultural references age along with your fat redistribution?

 

[Trianon]

Roundup of Joe continuing to absolutely seethe in Instagram stories (black text is screenshots from O'Neill's review, pink text is Joe's response):
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Re the "slutty skirt" thing, you can read it right there in the screenshot that O'Neill does not say "all women are sluts." He's pointing out that Joe revels in applying a sexist term like "slutty" to himself (which he definitely does--see the previous 200 pages of this thread with Joe stroking his wiener while calling himself "bitch," "cunt," "milf," "slut," etc etc). This is not difficult to understand; Joe willfully misunderstanding is a classic hallmark of his arguments.

Remember when Jesse Singal accused Joe of not having read a court document related to puberty blockers, and Joe said that was libelous, and Jesse was like "That is the best explanation I have for why you didn't understand this."

Now Joe is just saying everyone who hates his book hasn't read it.



It is utterly ridiculous that he thinks referencing his too-clever-by-half "index" means they didn't read the rest. Were we not supposed to look at the index, Joe? I read every endnote in my nonfiction reads, how dare.

 

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Joe might need to get himself an amhole so that he complete the cope, seethe, dilate cycle.

 

[Dromedary]

Roundup of Joe continuing to absolutely seethe in Instagram stories (black text is screenshots from O'Neill's review, pink text is Joe's response):
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Re the "slutty skirt" thing, you can read it right there in the screenshot that O'Neill does not say "all women are sluts." He's pointing out that Joe revels in applying a sexist term like "slutty" to himself (which he definitely does--see the previous 200 pages of this thread with Joe stroking his wiener while calling himself "bitch," "cunt," "milf," "slut," etc etc). This is not difficult to understand; Joe willfully misunderstanding is a classic hallmark of his arguments.

Thanks so much @PotatisSalad, highly entertaining. As was O'Neill's Spiked article, nice to see it widely shared and savored on Twitter today. I was going to say Joe's having a breakdown but no, he's just a screechy bitchbag of hostility, it's comical how easily his ego is pricked. He really loves Instagram Stories as a medium, which he wanks to with stupid shit "jokes" and intentionally? makes it an unreadable eyesore. So I appreciate your sharing the disgusting mess.

"Londoners, please help- I desperately need my drugs, like yesterday. Also can you go to the post office for me?" Really bizarre, abnormal. Why can't he go to the post office himself? What else is the lazy slug doing,? Lying around like a walrus, probably abusing someone's hospitality. Stuck in green-card limbo because of his own careless stupidity.

 

[Allo Vera]

When I started reading his plea for help from Londoners, I thought he was hoping someone would put him up in their spare room (LOL, silly me, Londoners don’t have spare rooms) not go to the Post Office for him.

Is working class boy made good Joe going to pretend he can’t remember how to do basic adult tasks? Or does he feel unsafe queuing up with elderly British people in public?

 

[Kaktus Kompot]

Being a man happens when you have bad ovaries. "Insufficient Femininity Disorder."

You know, that would actually be an interesting study. I've seen multiple scientific papers describing the correlation between PCOS (which results in a higher testosterone level) and lesbianism, gender nonconformity and trooning out.
I may be wrong, but I've always considered gender dysphoria a symptom of hormonal imbalance and that the solution for it would be bringing your sex hormones to a normal level. But can you imagine the uproar that would be caused by telling stunning and brave women to inject more evil testosterone and literally poison themselves as treatment for troonism and how it's horrible conversion therapy that prevents them from living their true and honest lives?

Tangentially related, but while looking at articles about PCOS and its effects, I've found a study that basically concluded "lesbians are fat" and I thought it was a bit funny.

 

[Bani]

What's this crap about TERFS "wanting you to believe" the UK is "TERF Island"? The phrase "TERF Island" was literally coined by trannies, and I've only ever heard GC women use it sarcastically. People both here and on LCF have frequently pointed out how hyperbolic trannies are when they fret about how twansphobic the UK supposedly is, and how it makes them sound like paranoid schizos terrified of leaving their homes. Also it's a way for burgerfag trannies to pretend that the United States is more enlightened and woke than the UK.

 

[McSneaks]

What's this crap about TERFS "wanting you to believe" the UK is "TERF Island"? The phrase "TERF Island" was literally coined by trannies, and I've only ever heard GC women use it sarcastically. People both here and on LCF have frequently pointed out how hyperbolic trannies are when they fret about how twansphobic the UK supposedly is, and how it makes them sound like paranoid schizos terrified of leaving their homes. Also it's a way for burgerfag trannies to pretend that the United States is more enlightened and woke than the UK.

it's almost like they're retarded and mentally ill or something

 

[Law]

I may be wrong, but I've always considered gender dysphoria a symptom of hormonal imbalance and that the solution for it would be bringing your sex hormones to a normal level.

I guarantee you that Mallory and Joe were both utterly hormonally average before trooning out.
Troons are always looking for an external justification for their behavior.

 

[Treasure Champs]

What's this crap about TERFS "wanting you to believe" the UK is "TERF Island"? The phrase "TERF Island" was literally coined by trannies, and I've only ever heard GC women use it sarcastically. People both here and on LCF have frequently pointed out how hyperbolic trannies are when they fret about how twansphobic the UK supposedly is, and how it makes them sound like paranoid schizos terrified of leaving their homes. Also it's a way for burgerfag trannies to pretend that the United States is more enlightened and woke than the UK.

Joe is upset that there haven't been mass protests of TERFs come to throw tomatoes at him. He's been walking around the U.K. throwing messages up on instagram all like "WOW there sure aren't as many TERFS as I thought! I am here <tags location> just trannying around, and no-one has yet turned up to give me attention protest my existence! It's sure not living up to its scary reputation!"

The only thing that happened is that a man slammed his book. It's all terribly disappointing, really.

 

[Allo Vera]

He's been walking around the U.K. throwing messages up on instagram all like "WOW there sure aren't as many TERFS as I thought! I am here <tags location> just trannying around, and no-one has yet turned up to give me attention protest my existence! It's sure not living up to its scary reputation!"

That’s the thing about being an execrable British TERF, a bitter dried up wine mom… we are too busy and too fucking tired to picket a Lavery event. Also, we don’t care. We aren’t going to send rape and death threats, or take selfies holding weapons, wearing homemade t shirts saying “kill trannies”. We have to plan dinner and clean the kitchen before the kids get home from school.

Sorry to disappoint.

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

That’s the thing about being an execrable British TERF, a bitter dried up wine mom… we are too busy and too fucking tired to picket a Lavery event. Also, we don’t care. We aren’t going to send rape and death threats, or take selfies holding weapons, wearing homemade t shirts saying “kill trannies”. We have to plan dinner and clean the kitchen before the kids get home from school.

Sorry to disappoint.

Surely you could manage at least a single "anime character holding a sharpened butterknife and saying DEATH TO TRANNIES" photoshop? Or maybe get one of the neighbourhood kids to make one in exchange for some cookies/cake/scones/biscuits whatever?

 

[Bani]

what hope is there—for example—for an answer to a question like “how much were you paid to pretend to have read my book?” but never mind. it is, nonetheless, rather odd, don’t you think, that all the *actual* bosses seem to support you? I wonder if you’re aware, for example, that you’re talking to someone who was kicked off twitter not—like those whose tears have been licked up by the BBC and the Mail recently—for randomly accusing educators of being pedophiles and mocking the appearance of teenagers—but for stating an opinion on Her Maj that was, once a time, shall we say, mainstream?​

That's only two sentences! But look at all the little clauses and asides he throws in, once again probably in the hope that people will either be intimidated by trying to follow it all, or simply find it tiring and giving up (either way, he decides he has "won")

Periods are for TERFs, obviously. /rimshot

 

[mrae]

2. The part about Mumsnet was really enlightening. There's such seething rage and hatred among troons for motherhood, and such a push to destroy it and remove all words referring to it. The rage of the worst of r/childfree has nothing on MtF seething. Maybe because the production of children reminds these men that they are simulacra: there is no function behind the form they are imitating, and they don't even have the system that could potentially support that function. Motherhood constantly reminds them that the female sex has what they do not have.

Late and I don't want to steal focus from Joe's chimpout but I couldn't let this pass by without offering two posts from Joe's instagram, one pre-Ortberg estrangment and one from a couple of days ago.

Spoiler: Exhibit A & B

The baby is Mallory's sister Laura's son. It's hard to parse from his typical word salad but it's so interesting that when he and Mallory were hanging with her family and there was an attention-getting baby in the mix, Joe was pretending to have maternal feelings - "the realization of something that has been true for a while."

Of course after the estrangement he quickly gave up on that charade and now is pissed that anyone would dare designate a microwave specifically for baby food because "reproductive futurism." I wonder if the presence of lactation rooms in the work place (assuming Berkeley has them) inspires the same irritation.

 

[mold]

wow he's so boring

 

[Twiggez-Vous]

Presumably the microwave is just there to assist PARENTS (because fathers spoonfeed babies too. I know a gender fundamentalist like Joe will struggle with that, but they do) and not to be used by random travellers sneaking in a quick bowl of homemade food to dodge the inflated motorway services cafeteria prices? Why does this fool have to see a global bioessentialist conspiracy in every fucking thing, from his immigration status mess to stewed carrots?

From sunny California to 'Telford Services', that's a tragedy in itself.