Cultcow Russell Greer / Mr. Green / @ just_some_dude_named_russell29 / A Safer Nevada PAC - Swift-Obsessed Sex Pest, Convicted of E-Stalking, "Eggshell Skull Plaintiff" Pro Se Litigant, Homeless, aspiring brothel owner

[AnOminous]

If you had to get out of dealing with Russell after accidentally agreeing to help him, how would you go about doing it without getting in trouble or the obvious outs (like killing yourself for example)?

Even though nearly nothing's happened in this case, there's still a fairly lengthy procedural history and if time ran out while Russ was waiting for them to file, but they didn't, that would be malpractice. At this stage in the proceedings, they'd need actual cause to withdraw. Lack of payment wouldn't be one, though, because they apparently are acting pro bono.

Irresoluble disputes over how to pursue the case would count as cause, though. So would something, like, for instance, the client having used your services to commit a fraud on the court. Also, a client can always fire counsel unless mentally incompetent to do so, which Russ isn't (yes I know but it is a very very low bar to clear). RPC 1.16 (of Nevada) lays out the circumstances under which an attorney can ethically withdraw or is required to do so.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Clerk's office closed, no filling. There are still ~ 7 hours until midnight to file electronically

 

[DrJonesHat]

So would something, like, for instance, the client having used your services to commit a fraud on the court.

What would that entail? Like filing a lawsuit in bad faith or something more?

 

[AnOminous]

What would that entail? Like filing a lawsuit in bad faith or something more?

Material misrepresentations to the court or deliberate conduct like lying about the law or deliberately concealing adverse authority you know about. When a litigant does it using a lawyer's services, the lawyer is obligated to withdraw as counsel and, in some cases, disclose the nature of the fraud. Even when that isn't strictly required, and it's a serious violation to fail to uphold the obligation, it's customary at least to phrase it in a way the judge can figure out exactly what you're saying.

Anyway we have no particular reason to think that's happened yet.

 

[DrJonesHat]

Material misrepresentations to the court or deliberate conduct like lying about the law or deliberately concealing adverse authority you know about. When a litigant does it using a lawyer's services, the lawyer is obligated to withdraw as counsel and, in some cases, disclose the nature of the fraud. Even when that isn't strictly required, and it's a serious violation to fail to uphold the obligation, it's customary at least to phrase it in a way the judge can figure out exactly what you're saying.

Anyway we have no particular reason to think that's happened yet.

Hypothetically, if Russ didn't have the IQ of bread mold, what could he do/say that would rise to that level of misconduct in his case?

 

[RodgerDodger]

Material misrepresentations to the court or deliberate conduct like lying about the law or deliberately concealing adverse authority you know about. When a litigant does it using a lawyer's services, the lawyer is obligated to withdraw as counsel and, in some cases, disclose the nature of the fraud. Even when that isn't strictly required, and it's a serious violation to fail to uphold the obligation, it's customary at least to phrase it in a way the judge can figure out exactly what you're saying.

Anyway we have no particular reason to think that's happened yet.

How would Russel’s misrepresentation of this firm and these lawyers endorsing him and his behaviors in his AGT lawsuit be viewed?

 

[Plight of the Bumblebee]

A bit off topic, but I just realised we've never heard Russ in a proper debate before. It lends some credibility towards him wating to "just let me explain" all the time. He's always either been blocked by clerks or smacked down by judges who didn't have the patience to deal with all of his bullshit.

I really want to hear how he conducts himself in a debate. How could his speeches be so different from his written ramblings that it would win over the hearts of even the most bias judges?

 

[Supreme Dingus]

A bit off topic, but I just realised we've never heard Russ in a proper debate before. It lends some credibility towards him wating to "just let me explain" all the time. He's always either been blocked by clerks or smacked down by judges who didn't have the patience to deal with all of his bullshit.

I really want to hear how he conducts himself in a debate. How could his speeches be so different from his written ramblings that it would win over the hearts of even the most bias judges?

Russ is an award-winning debater, of course! His book says so and there are no exaggerations or lies in his book whatsoever.

 

[Damien Thorne]

Russ is an award-winning debater, of course! His book says so and there are no exaggerations or lies in his book whatsoever. View attachment 3218085

He is an award winning mass debater.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

He is an award winning mass debater.

With a mouth like his, you'd think he'd be a cunning linguist.

 

[RebatsivePulsard]

Russ is an award-winning debater, of course! His book says so and there are no exaggerations or lies in his book whatsoever. View attachment 3218085

TIL Sped classes count for honor society.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

No extension, no new filing. Russ' lawyers messed up. As soon as the clerk's office opens up, in 8 hours, the clerk will issue a notice ordering the lawyers to comply, or the appeal will be dismissed.

How would Russel’s misrepresentation of this firm and these lawyers endorsing him and his behaviors in his AGT lawsuit be viewed?

He hasn't claimed that, I don't believe.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

No extension, no new filing. Russ' lawyers messed up. As soon as the clerk's office opens up, in 8 hours, the clerk will issue a notice ordering the lawyers to comply, or the appeal will be dismissed.

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Was this slip-up an accident, or intentional?

Place your bets, Kiwis!

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Was this slip-up an accident, or intentional?

Place your bets, Kiwis!

Probably accidental, but intentional would be more funny

 

[Plight of the Bumblebee]

Probably accidental, but intentional would be more funny

Real ones know the funniest shit would be Russ' reaction, intentional or accidental.

 

[Kumquat]

A bit off topic, but I just realised we've never heard Russ in a proper debate before. It lends some credibility towards him wating to "just let me explain" all the time. He's always either been blocked by clerks or smacked down by judges who didn't have the patience to deal with all of his bullshit.

I really want to hear how he conducts himself in a debate. How could his speeches be so different from his written ramblings that it would win over the hearts of even the most bias judges?

We have heard him try to explain before, with the Ariana Grande case. The judge was exceptionally lenient and allowed Russell to try and explain, and of course, because Russell is retarded, he failed spectacularly and the judge had to explain that no, sweetie, hurting your fee-fees is not a valid claim in a court of law.

Russell didn't learn a damn thing from it, though, because he's incapable of learning anything. The video is here if you haven't already seen it.

 

[AnOminous]

Probably accidental, but intentional would be more funny

Is it possible that while they're willing to do the brief for free, they aren't fronting any mediation fees (although those might not be necessary for an ifp appellant) or paying for the transcript (although I believe an ifp appellant gets that too). It seems spectacularly inept to blow something like this but I have a fairly low opinion of them in the first place for just taking this case at all.

I think there are arguments for Russhole's case (although I would not make them personally), but to make them, the panel is going to have to give him a mulligan on not having made them below.

ETA: never mind that.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

It seems spectacularly inept to blow something like this but I have a fairly low opinion of them in the first place for just taking this case at all.

They are rather lucky that they will get some extra days to comply. Not sure how many the 10th circuit gives, but the 4th gives 15. Maybe they'll be confident enough to meet this new deadline (although I hope not)

 

[AnOminous]

They are rather lucky that they will get some extra days to comply. Not sure how many the 10th circuit gives, but the 4th gives 15. Maybe they'll be confident enough to meet this new deadline (although I hope not)

That's kind of skeevy gamesmanship, a bit worse than just filing at the last minute or filing for some ridiculous extension. It sounds like a way to create a really bad first impression.

And apparently FRAP 25 also calculates timeliness of briefs and transcripts by postmark date:

Rule 25. Filing and Service​

Primary tabs​

(a) Filing.
(1) Filing with the Clerk. A paper required or permitted to be filed in a court of appeals must be filed with the clerk.
(2) Filing: Method and Timeliness.
(A) Nonelectronic Filing.
(i) In General. For a paper not filed electronically, filing may be accomplished by mail addressed to the clerk, but filing is not timely unless the clerk receives the papers within the time fixed for filing.

(ii) A Brief or Appendix. A brief or appendix not filed electronically is timely filed, however, if on or before the last day for filing, it is:

mailed to the clerk by first-class mail, or other class of mail that is at least as expeditious, postage prepaid; or

dispatched to a third-party commercial carrier for delivery to the clerk within 3 days.

So a less sleazy way of dodging it would be to send it postal mail. Not sure if the clerk will still auto-generate a docket entry as to untimeliness.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

It sounds like a way to create a really bad first impression.

Yeah, and that kind of shit makes me instantly dislike them even more

Potentially huge. If the 10th circuit won't issue another extension and Greer's lawyers won't submit the brief until end of today...
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No extension, no new filing. Russ' lawyers messed up. As soon as the clerk's office opens up, in 8 hours, the clerk will issue a notice ordering the lawyers to comply, or the appeal will be dismissed.

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Laaaaaaaaaaame. The court was just a day late in issuing an extension. It's a sixth one in a row. New deadline 06/06/2022. Interestingly, this was filed 11 minutes before the court opened.

Spoiler: Extension