🐱 Polygon Senior Games Editor Attempts To Explain Why Batman Is “Deeply Conservative To The Point Of Being Leftist By Accident”

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Polygon Senior Games Editor Maddy Myers recently took to Twitter to claim that Batman is “deeply conservative to the point of being leftist by accident.”


Myers made her opinion clear on the matter in a series of tweets that began, “the whole point of batman to me is that it’s deeply conservative to the point of being leftist by accident because all of the villains are marginalized and mentally ill and queer and have great reasons for hating gotham and being pissed off that rich people won’t ever fix it.”


In a follow-up tweet, Myers added, “anyway, i thought the batman (2022) was pretty much fine in terms of this. it does batman stuff.”

Myers then stated, “i have pretty low expectations of a universe in which harley quinn, poison ivy, and catwoman are literally all queer sexy lady villains and that’s canon and writers have had to bend over backwards to not make that offensive anymore.”


The Polygon editor then wrote, “i think it’s cool when my mentions fill with people who tell me to read more comics because then i can feel extremely smug that i already do. at the very least you could all be explaining to me that gotham city sirens was actually very progressive for its time! (it was, sadly)”

She then criticized the male writers who had previously tackled Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, and Catwoman albeit without actually stating what was wrong with their works other than the fact they were men.

She wrote, “i’ll read anything with poison ivy, harley quinn, and catwoman in it because i love those freakin’ gals and it’s within my rights to point out that men wrote them poorly for decades. thanks for coming by!”

She added, “i also have an x-men podcast that i bet is going to piss you all off too.”


Directing the thread towards the X-Men, Myers tweeted, “honestly, if you want a more explicit political allegory in your comic books, i am on my knees begging you to read some x-men.”

“The allegory is oftentimes NOT good, but at least it’s trying to do that, so you can critique on those grounds and have a great time doing it,” she concluded.


Following that she plugged an interview she conducted when she previously worked at The Mary Sue and asked for comic book recommendations for Catwoman, Poison Ivy, and Harley Quinn.

Myers’ opinion on Batman makes absolutely no sense. Her claim that the character is somehow “leftist by accident because all of the villains are marginalized and mentally ill and queer and have great reasons for hating gotham and being pissed off that rich people won’t ever fix it” is a rejection of the actual reality of Batman and the numerous stories he’s involved in.

Not only is it a rejection of the actual reality of Batman comics, but it’s also a warped view that somehow justifies doing absolutely vile and heinous things because you are pissed off that rich people in Gotham aren’t fixing the city, something many of the rich people in Gotham actually try to do including Bruce Wayne on numerous occasions.

It’s also absurd on its face to claim that Batman and his stories are somehow leftist because the villains are “marginalized and mentally ill and queer.” If the reason Batman is leftist is because his villains are “marginalized and mentally ill and queer” it implies those traits are somehow inherently evil, which they are not.

First, let’s address the idea that Batman’s villains are all “marginalized and mentally ill and queer.” One of the most popular Batman villains in recent years is Bane. He’s not marginalized, mentally ill, or queer. He’s an extremely strong and intelligent criminal mastermind who enhances his physical strength through the super-steroid known as Venom.


Another prominent villain who is not mentally ill, marginalized or queer is Mr. Freeze, who was originally conceived as a cunning criminal named Mister Zero, who used numerous freeze gadgets to rob a jewelry store and even steal jewelry from a visiting prince and princess.

The character would be reimagined to commit crimes in order to find a solution or cure for his terminally ill wife, Nora, that he put into cryo freeze following an industrial accident.


Other villains that don’t fit in Myers’ box include Riddler, Carmine Falcone, Ra’s al Ghul, Victor Zsasz, Anarky, Brother Eye, Calculator, Calendar Man, Catman, Cluemaster, Copperhead, KGBeast, Kite Man, Owlman, Prometheus, Lady Shiva, Talia al Ghul, Bronze Tiger, Arnold John Flass, and Harvey Bullock among others.

Clearly, there are plenty of Batman villains and many top tier Batman villains who are not mentally ill, marginalized, or queer.


Second, there are plenty of rich members of Gotham society who attempt to fix the city and help all of its citizens. Bruce Wayne is a prime example. Not only does he try and aid the city through his company and its technological advances, but also through its charitable work. Wayne also becomes Batman and fights crime head-to-head.

Even if there are rich individuals in Gotham who have no interest in helping Gotham and only want to exploit the individuals of the city, of which there are numerous like the Penguin and Carmine Falcone, it does not justify other villains committing heinous and despicable crimes.


Two wrongs do not make a right. Joker murdering Psimon is still murder. Stealing from Penguin is still stealing.

As the Catechism of the Catholic Church notes, “There are acts which, in and of themselves, independently of circumstances and intentions, are always gravely illicit by reason of their object; such as blasphemy and perjury, murder and adultery. One may not do evil so that good may result from it.”


Finally, to reiterate there is nothing inherently wrong about being mentally ill, marginalized, or queer. The Catechism clearly teaches on homosexuality, “The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial.”

It continues, “They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.”


As for marginalized individuals, one only needs to look at the Church’s teaching on social justice, which states, “Social justice can be obtained only in respecting the transcendent dignity of man.”

It further notes, “Respect for the human person entails respects for the rights that flow from his dignity as a creature. These rights are prior to society and must be recognized by it. They are the basis of the moral legitimacy of every authority.”

St. Pope John Paul II also stated in a Papal document, “Whoever suffers from mental illness ‘always’ bears God’s image and likeness in himself, as does every human being in addition, he ‘always’ has the inalienable right not only to be considered as an image of God and therefore as a person, but also to be treated as such.”

Source: Detective Comics #684
To conclude, Myers’ claims are not only ridiculous, they are absurd. Not all of Batman’s villains are “marginalized and mentally ill and queer.”

Claiming to identify with any of these labels does not justify heinous and immoral acts of violence. However, there is also nothing inherently evil about identifying with these labels.
 
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TBF they had Harley and Ivy together a little even in TAS, they were totally boning in that one episode Harley runs away from Joker after he beat her pretty much. Like they bicker like a couple in a relationship, not two chicks hanging out.
I would say there was a decade or so where implied homosexual couples were simply a novelty in cartoons, and which could lend some substance to usually one sided characters like Harley and her joker obession.

Then these things became far too prevelant and began interferring with the plot, reaching critical mass as shows like Steven Universe became a thing.
 
I would say there was a decade or so where implied homosexual couples were simply a novelty in cartoons, and which could lend some substance to usually one sided characters like Harley and her joker obession.

Then these things became far too prevelant and began interferring with the plot, reaching critical mass as shows like Steven Universe became a thing.

My point is the Harley / Ivy thing at the very least was there from the very beginning and BTAS wasn't originally marketed at kids especially the first season.

It had a primetime slot on Sundays right before In Living Color on Fox, and this is when The Simpsons was still controversial and parents wouldn't let their kids watch it.
 
My point is the Harley / Ivy thing at the very least was there from the very beginning and BTAS wasn't originally marketed at kids especially the first season.

It had a primetime slot on Sundays right before In Living Color on Fox, and this is when The Simpsons was still controversial and parents wouldn't let their kids watch it.
nah it still was marketed at kids. It was on weekdays and that 7 PM slot on sundays.
 
Other villains that don’t fit in Myers’ box include Riddler, Carmine Falcone, Ra’s al Ghul, Victor Zsasz, Anarky, Brother Eye, Calculator, Calendar Man, Catman, Cluemaster, Copperhead, KGBeast, Kite Man, Owlman, Prometheus, Lady Shiva, Talia al Ghul, Bronze Tiger, Arnold John Flass, and Harvey Bullock among others.

Clearly, there are plenty of Batman villains and many top tier Batman villains who are not mentally ill, marginalized, or queer.
Not queer or marginalized, sure. I have a hard time with someone saying that Zsasz, Riddler or Calendar Man aren’t mentally ill.
 
My point is the Harley / Ivy thing at the very least was there from the very beginning and BTAS wasn't originally marketed at kids especially the first season.

It had a primetime slot on Sundays right before In Living Color on Fox, and this is when The Simpsons was still controversial and parents wouldn't let their kids watch it.
Harley and Ivy were about as gay for each other as Batman and Robin. Even in his Rule 34-teasing official fanfic movie, Timm just made them good friends. If they were ex-lovers, things would've developed a lot differently.

BTAS was definitely marketed at kids, I was one of the kids they marketed it to.
 
They were created by men. The ones who made them "canonically" queer are the ones writing them wrong. Everyone knows Catwoman romances Batman and Harley is obsessed with Mistah J. It's the role they play in the stories, it's what makes them who they are instead of Random Villains #21 and #1811. Ivy uses her sex appeal to manipulate men but is otherwise pretty asexual, so I guess she's queer, if the queer movement wants to include herbimaniacs.

Credit where it's due, Mindy Newell added a lot to the modern Catwoman interpretation, though I think later writers removed some of the grit and the implied trafficking/prostitution.

Before BTAS whitewashed her, Poison Ivy was an evil femme fetal type villainess who outright MINDRAPED men into being her slaves via mind control kisses and who disposed of her pawns when they were no used to her via poison, which was administered via kisses when she wasn't outright feeding them to giant venus fly trap abominations. Ivy giving a shit about the environment was entirely the creation of the cartoon; in the comic, she's a man hating mysandrist because an alien (Atom and Swamp Thing villain Floronic Man) seduced Ivy when she was a femcel college student, got her to steal for her, and then poisoned her to get rid of her only for it to backfire and give her her poison power.

Hell, there was even a story in Detective Comics in the late 80s where Ivy is shown to literally have become an AIDS metaphor where EVERY man she kissed or touched died horribly on the spot as far as having lost control over her poisonous body chemistry so that her mind control chemical lipstick was no longer working and she was straight up killing people with her kiss. She didn't give a flying fuck about the deaths she was leaving, all she cared about was her next fuck as she left a trail of dead men in her wake until Batman beat the shit out of her and took her into custody.

It was the BTAS cartoon that introduced the idea of Poison Ivy being a radical environmentalist who had some good ideas and even then, they had her having a "love hate" relationship with Two-Face (with her having tried to kill him before Harvey became disfigured).

Ironically Harley and Ivy was never meant to make Ivy gay. It was a one-off episode designed to lampshade the fact that Harley was an abusive spouse and Ivy trying (and failing) to get her to abandon Joker and become an independent woman villain who didn't need Joker's approval or love. But shippers latched onto the unintentional gay subtext of the episode and WOULD. NOT. SHUT. UP. ABOUT. IT. UNTIL. IT. WAS. MADE. CANON.
 
Maddy Myers in a nutshell:

Myers is a train wreck all of her own. When she isn't complaining about not being able to write full time, she's complaining about not being accepted as a 'game journalist' because she has a vajayjay, or she's writing about how her depression has hit her pretty hard. She's about 2 chimp outs of her own from becoming a lolcow in her own right.
Suffice to say, Jace Connors being who he was meant that there were a lot of GamerGate supporters - and also opponents - who (correctly) called Brianna Wu out for biting at what was, in their eyes, very clearly bait. However, Wu was hearing none of this. She dismissed any attempt to point out that Jace and Tyce were anything but legitimate threats on Twitter, and performed her own brand of message control on the GamerGhazi subreddit (where she had been made a Moderator), deleting any post that pointed out that Jace's threats were in any way less than credible.[42][43] Months later, this incident would be one of many reasons that GamerGhazi de-modded both Brianna Wu and her stooge, Maddy Myers, before banning both from the community entirely.[44]
Maddy Myers is replacing Ben Kuntchera or taking over his job of "opinions editor" or whatever at Polygon. Posters in the thread bring up the time just recently where she made a joke (how can it be a joke if it's not funny? 🤔) about murdering Naughty Dog employees. Jason Schreier takes extreme offense to this and loses his shit at one of the posters who did so (sure looks like "hostility" to me!) because game journalism isn't a completely incestuous blob.

I'm sure if I posted a tweet going "haha there should be a minigame where you murder game journos hahaha" and then linked to it on Era my account would be nuked from orbit faster than Amirox trying to return.
Brianna Wu & her little henchwriter Maddy Myers both plugged the hell out of it, putting Kiva up on a pedestal when the Kickstarter was still collecting funding. "She made this game, which means there's no way this project could fail!" during a time when Kickstarters were starting to be recognized as risks. Quite the clever grift, second only to Zoe Quinn/Chelsea Vanvalkerburg's Tingle scam for $80K+ for taking the money and running with barely an explanation and zero product.
Reminder to don't let your dreams be dreams. If this talentless indie musician-turned-hotpocket-turned-podcaster-turned-games writer can make a living doing absolutely nothing of value than so can you
 
Harley and Ivy were about as gay for each other as Batman and Robin. Even in his Rule 34-teasing official fanfic movie, Timm just made them good friends. If they were ex-lovers, things would've developed a lot differently.

BTAS was definitely marketed at kids, I was one of the kids they marketed it to.

lol they were having a lesbian romance and BTAS was waaaay to fuckin' dry in the first season for kids.

You might be thinking of Animated Batman and Robin, which is definitely a lot more kid friendly.
 
Surprisingly in a comic book aimed at 10 year olds about a man who dress up in tights and a cape to look like a bat and fight other people who also dress up in tights the authors didn't spell out the characters socioeconomic beliefs and political leanings.

Gee, who'd a thunk it. Better dig up old Stan Lee so he can correct the record.
 
Weekdays was a year after, and I'm 99% the wiki is incorrect about it cause they are trying to say Saturday there which I know damn well is wrong.


they def didn't wait a year to broadcast it on weekdays.

it was both weekdays and sunday
 
I have a hard time with someone saying that Zsasz, Riddler or Calendar Man aren’t mentally ill.
For all of the "this character is on the spectrum" crap that's been done over the years, Riddler is one of the few where it would totally fit. Rewrite him as just being too autistic to understand that committing riddle-crimes is bad.
 
Where does this "Batman villains are actually mentally ill" idea comes from? They are very aware of what they do, they're sociopaths, they don't care and some enjoy it or think it's funny to do it. It's not like the Penguin is stressed out and goes on some shooting rampage. They should be put in jail, they are put in an asylum because they're incredible dangerous and unhinged and need special protection.

This bullshit is pure projection. Average SJWs are equally deranged as these villains, except they lack the smarts and balls to actually commit crimes. They wanna use the "dur dur, I'm bipolar", to get away with it. I mean, look at all the adoration they give to Harley Quinn, who's also a psychopath who willingly hangs around with a murderer who beats the hell up of her. They made her a feminist icon for some reason.

I wouldn't mind if this stays only within the insanity that is the fandom community, but I've seen feminists who sperg all day about "muh rape culture" defending ACTUAL RAPISTS saying they aren't monsters, but victims of society and protest against death penalty or severe punishment.
 
Sorry I know jack and shit when it comes to capeshit stuff. Who is Bill Finger?
All good. He was one one of the original creators of Batman and is pretty notorious for not getting any recognition for it. I think even that he had a lawsuit or something and got screwed out of not just money but recognition as well.

I was just amused by him getting shit on and not recognized, again, inadvertently.
 
Not queer or marginalized, sure. I have a hard time with someone saying that Zsasz, Riddler or Calendar Man aren’t mentally ill.
of course they wouldn't think the riddler is off
what with his constant need for attention, and need to obfuscate all the time

he's just like them
 
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