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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Mass exodus from Transnistria this morning. Strelkov was on about Moldova the other day with another schizo take. I guess Vatniks just want to distract the West to waste intel ressources on this shithole.
 
>50 year old gun based AA vehicle
are these even considered viable in current year? my gut feeling is that anti aircraft guns are pretty much worthless against anything that goes faster and flies higher than a helicopter, no?

i guess you could aim them at the ground and use them as a nice set of autocannons to take out enemy vehicles, but i don't see flak cannons being useful against modern jet fighters or drones
 
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>50 year old gun based AA vehicle
are these even considered viable in current year? my gut feeling is that anti aircraft guns are pretty much worthless against anything that goes faster and flies higher than a helicopter, no?

i guess you could aim them at the ground and use them as a nice set of autocannons to take out enemy vehicles, but i don't see flak cannons being useful against modern jet fighters or drones
The Russians are using a lot of frogfoots and attack aircraft so they could bolster air defense networks. Not sure if they can swat down cruise missiles but I guess it depends on what kind of radar guidance they have. The Japanese have a similar AA wagon called the Type 87 that has been updated throughout the years, perhaps the Gepards have had similar modernizations.
 
>50 year old gun based AA vehicle
are these even considered viable in current year? my gut feeling is that anti aircraft guns are pretty much worthless against anything that goes faster and flies higher than a helicopter, no?

i guess you could aim them at the ground and use them as a nice set of autocannons to take out enemy vehicles, but i don't see flak cannons being useful against modern jet fighters or drones

The Russians are already trying to fly low to the ground to dodge the stingers and StarStreaks deployed there, meaning they're good fodder for flakguns. The Gepards had an effective range of 5500m or nearly 18,000 feet.
 
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>50 year old gun based AA vehicle
are these even considered viable in current year? my gut feeling is that anti aircraft guns are pretty much worthless against anything that goes faster and flies higher than a helicopter, no?

i guess you could aim them at the ground and use them as a nice set of autocannons to take out enemy vehicles, but i don't see flak cannons being useful against modern jet fighters or drones
It's better then nothing and they can be used against ground targets too. The ammo can pierce Russian light tanks and BRTs with ease. It's hopefully the kick off to more heavy arms supply from Germany. They had a meeting in Rammstein today and maybe Scholz got his ass kicked so expect more updates soon.
 
>50 year old gun based AA vehicle
are these even considered viable in current year? my gut feeling is that anti aircraft guns are pretty much worthless against anything that goes faster and flies higher than a helicopter, no?

i guess you could aim them at the ground and use them as a nice set of autocannons to take out enemy vehicles, but i don't see flak cannons being useful against modern jet fighters or drones
Assuming the radars can detect them I actually think they'd be quite useful against drones. Comparitively low speeds, low flying and poor manuevarability make them perfect targets. Indeed Qatar is apparently bringing a bunch in for the World Cup, spoecifically as a counter to terrorist drone attacks:


The Russians are already trying to fly low to the ground to dodge the stingers and StarStreaks deployed there,
That's not why they're flying low. Indeed low flying just pushes them further into the engagement envelope for MANPADs. The low flying is a combination of
a)the lingering threat of the few long range SAMs and aircraft Ukraine has left
b)The fact they're still super limited in PGMs, meaning they have to fly low to have a hope in hell of hitting with unguided weapons.
 
It's better then nothing and they can be used against ground targets too. The ammo can pierce Russian light tanks and BRTs with ease. It's hopefully the kick off to more heavy arms supply from Germany. They had a meeting in Rammstein today and maybe Scholz got his ass kicked so expect more updates soon.
The Germans in the later straitened stages of WW2 found their FlaK 18, 36 and 37 and onwards guns were perfectly good against Soviet vehicles, I think even the T-34 with its brittle cured cast armor without a penetrating shot could be dangerous for the crew as fragments could fly off inside the tank and kill or injure the crew, or bad welds might shatter. Now they might be useless against T-74 and upwards, but it should certainly help. Still I have doubts whether Scholz wants to do more than send the rubbish they do want to store anymore, as has been happening, as a way of following the rest of NATO in a minimal and nominal way.
 
It's better then nothing and they can be used against ground targets too. The ammo can pierce Russian light tanks and BRTs with ease. It's hopefully the kick off to more heavy arms supply from Germany. They had a meeting in Rammstein today and maybe Scholz got his ass kicked so expect more updates soon.
yeah according to wiki the 35mm twin autocannons fire over a thousand rounds per minute and are capable of using AP ammo, so they'll rip apart BMPs and BTRs with ease
i guess if you look at them as all purpose multirole fighting vehicles like this instead of strictly AA platforms they're pretty neat
 

Russian FM Lavrov: NATO de-facto entered proxy war with Russia with weapons supply to Ukraine - Live UA Map​


Y-yes? Has it only just occured to the Russians that we're specifically only supplying the Ukranians because we know it limits their aims and geopolitical attempts to annex this historical novorossiya region?

It seems Russian advances, after some initial attempts to surge have stalled once again because the clock is ticking on being able to do anything as more and more Ukranians are currently in training. They've gone back to non-stop shelling attempts to dislodge or remove the Ukranian defences and seems to be going as well as expected. More advances have been blunted and shoved back in a few places.

A thing to bare in mind, these units have really had no time to resupply or rearm. They've less than two weeks to figure out what they need and where, but again the Russian Army method of doing things is "push" logistics. They're told what they're getting and fuck you if its not what you actually need.

"No comrade colonel, the general who hasn't yet gotten himself killed says you need this. What do you mean, food?"

Once again, the fact the Ukranians have switched to a "pull" logistics system seems to be whats winning each and every fight so far. We're still seeing a defensive fight right now, but that's going to change eventually.
For once I agree with Russia. This is now indeed a proxy war. But because it's Russia fuck them.
 
don't fret Russiabros, Ukraine has only 6 (not 5, not 7) tanks remaining in service

Армия РФ уничтожила почти всю военную технику Украины​

Вооруженные силы РФ в ходе спецоперации уничтожили почти всю украинскую военную технику. Об этом сообщил официальный представитель Минобороны РФ генерал-майор Игорь Конашенков. Так, из 2 416 украинских танков сохранились только шесть, а из 152 военных самолетов уцелели двенадцать.

«С начала операции уничтожено 99% танков и других бронированных машин Украины (2410 из 2416 машин, которые были в украинских войсках на 24 февраля), 92% военных самолетов (140 из 152), 71% парка вертолетов (106 из 149), 48% установок РСЗО (262 из 535) и так далее», — заявил Игорь Конашенков в ходе брифинга. Он уточнил, что речь идет о военной технике, которая находилась на вооружении Украины до 24 февраля 2022 года. После этого США и страны Евросоюза организовали поставки вооружения в Киев.

RF Army has destroyed almost all military machinery of of Ukraine
RF armed forces, during the special operation, has destroyed almost all military machinery. This was relayed by the official representative of RF ministry of defense, major general Igor Konashenkov. So far from 2416 ukrainian tanks, only 6 remain, from 152 planes only 12 are in tact.

From the beginning of the operation, is destroyed 99% of Ukrainian tanks and other armored vehicles that Ukraine had by 24th of February, 92% of military planes (140/152), 71% of helis (106/149), ...


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For once I agree with Russia. This is now indeed a proxy war. But because it's Russia fuck them.
It's not a war, it's a special operation, your statement discredits RF armed forces and carries up to 10 years in Siberia prison camp sentence, comrade.
 
don't fret Russiabros, Ukraine has only 6 (not 5, not 7) tanks remaining in service






There is plenty more news about bloodthirsty (and very gay) "soldiers of NATO" trying to subjugate righteous russia, but the most hilarious part are ads:

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It's not a war, it's a special operation, your statement discredits RF armed forces and carries up to 10 years in Siberia prison camp sentence, comrade.
Hey its the Russian government who can't be constant.
 
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This is what famously killed the US Navy’s first female fighter pilot. Kara “Covergirl” Hultgreen.
Didn't she only graduate flight school on account of the Navy shoving her through for PR reasons?
A thing to bare in mind the T-84 Oplot was, for the most part, designed, for exporting and trying to shovel some cash into the Ukranian Arms manufacturers pockets to keep them going.

So the Ukranian Army currently has Two in their arsenal.

Now, what is amusing is the confusion over why the upgraded T-64s the Ukranians do rock about in seem to have performed better (but have still seen losses due to attrition) than their "more modern" counterparts.

Well, turns out its fairly simple. The T-72s were only ever really designed as a "we need a modern T-34 equivalent" design that could be spammed out in factories and car factories within hours of an invasion of Soviet Soil again.

Which explains why they're doing so badly and have always performed very badly in every theatre of war so far seen.

But it turned out they were 40% cheaper to make, so hey ho, here we are.
The T-64 was incredibly expensive and difficult to manufacture, filled to the brim with every single piece of top-end technology the USSR could produce at the time. It wasn't just costs but man-hours as well, its engine taking twice as long to make as anything else the USSR had designs for. The Russians literally could not produce enough of them for their needs, even in peacetime, leading to the T-72 being adopted. Short-sighted? Yes. Russian? Also yes.
>50 year old gun based AA vehicle
are these even considered viable in current year? my gut feeling is that anti aircraft guns are pretty much worthless against anything that goes faster and flies higher than a helicopter, no?

i guess you could aim them at the ground and use them as a nice set of autocannons to take out enemy vehicles, but i don't see flak cannons being useful against modern jet fighters or drones
Nope. SPAAG shot down ten times as many Phantoms in Vietnam as SAM's did. They're the best choice for protecting against low-level aircraft, especially those coming in for a low-level bombing run.
 
don't fret Russiabros, Ukraine has only 6 (not 5, not 7) tanks remaining in service
I remember reading about how russians get rewarded cash for each enemy vehicle destroyed and how it's speculated it hilariously led to there being almost more kills reported than it is possible. Also rumors of them sabotaging their own vehicles (stripped of Z) and reporting it as destroyed UA vehicles.

If russians keep going with these reports they will go overboard and will start reporting about how many vehicles and planes NATO has remaining to avoid saying they killed 2654/2416 tanks and thus achieving over 100% completion on their objectives.

Also keep in mind russians recently blamed UA tank unit for firing upon civilian buildings in some RU controlled village, how the fuck do UA troops manage to get any of their remaining 6 tanks into enemy territory to conduct gay ops? Figure that out.
 
>50 year old gun based AA vehicle
are these even considered viable in current year? my gut feeling is that anti aircraft guns are pretty much worthless against anything that goes faster and flies higher than a helicopter, no?

i guess you could aim them at the ground and use them as a nice set of autocannons to take out enemy vehicles, but i don't see flak cannons being useful against modern jet fighters or drones
35mm Oerlikons are pretty good as far as guns go, they're slaved to a computer and have an effective range that rivals some MANPADS. Newer ones have proximity fused shells but the Gepard's barrels aren't compatible with them.

The Russians are using a lot of frogfoots and attack aircraft so they could bolster air defense networks. Not sure if they can swat down cruise missiles but I guess it depends on what kind of radar guidance they have. The Japanese have a similar AA wagon called the Type 87 that has been updated throughout the years, perhaps the Gepards have had similar modernizations.
The Type 87 hasn't seen many, if any upgrades since its introduction but has the benefit of being ~20 years newer than the Gepard and thus having features to increase its survivability and effectiveness on a battlefield saturated by attack helicopters, which didn't really exist when the Gepard was introduced. Some Gepards were eventually upgraded with these features but I have no idea how many because they were mostly put into storage shortly after the end of the cold war.
 
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FSB Ukrainian Neo-Nazi Starter Pack

They Deleted this video from their official FSB page. Shows the staged arrest and all the items.

Including: "Ivan, buy the SIM Cards" and so Ivan went to the nearest store and asked for three copies of sims.

Putin seems to have managed to purge all dangerous intellectuals from the FSB, these items were found in the house of a assassin hired to kill some journalist. Russia is fucked if this is what their "intelligence" comes up with.

Yes that really is three copies of The Sims fucking video game among the items, they don't know what the fuck a sim card is.
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Assuming the radars can detect them I actually think they'd be quite useful against drones. Comparitively low speeds, low flying and poor manuevarability make them perfect targets. Indeed Qatar is apparently bringing a bunch in for the World Cup, spoecifically as a counter to terrorist drone attacks:



That's not why they're flying low. Indeed low flying just pushes them further into the engagement envelope for MANPADs. The low flying is a combination of
a)the lingering threat of the few long range SAMs and aircraft Ukraine has left
b)The fact they're still super limited in PGMs, meaning they have to fly low to have a hope in hell of hitting with unguided weapons.
Assuming Russian aircraft can survive even the most trivial FOD would be a stretch, let alone purpose built AA.
 
For once I agree with Russia. This is now indeed a proxy war. But because it's Russia fuck them.
It wouldn't be such a dogpile if Russia wasn't (a) lobbing shells at civilians and civilian targets and (b) the army that was alleged to be about the 5th biggest in the world wasn't getting its ass handed to it by an army smaller than Mexico's. (1 million active duty versus 209,000 active duty as of 2019).

If the Ukrainians were getting as flattened as everyone expected them to be, or if Russia was just rolling in tanks, hitting a few Ukrainian army positions, and declaring the country liberated, I don't think the West would care.

Putin really stepped on his own dick here.
 
A thing to bare in mind the T-84 Oplot was, for the most part, designed, for exporting and trying to shovel some cash into the Ukranian Arms manufacturers pockets to keep them going.

So the Ukranian Army currently has Two in their arsenal.
Super weird. I could have sworn that the T-84 was in service, even if limited (<40).
I knew that the T-84 Yagatan was pretty much a hypothetical concept, and I knew Oplot-M was the one being sold to Thailand...

I looked it up and you're right, I just could have sworn I read different.
>50 year old gun based AA vehicle
are these even considered viable in current year? my gut feeling is that anti aircraft guns are pretty much worthless against anything that goes faster and flies higher than a helicopter, no?

i guess you could aim them at the ground and use them as a nice set of autocannons to take out enemy vehicles, but i don't see flak cannons being useful against modern jet fighters or drones
1) Yes, very viable against helicopters which itself is still a valid purpose
2) Also viable against stuff like Su-25 Frogfoot trying to go on a gunrun
3) Su-34 and even Su-30 strike aircraft have been flying low to avoid long and medium-range Ukrainian SAMs ("flying below radar") , which puts them in the range of AA guns and MANPADs
4) AA guns can also be used to knock down low-flying drones, especially because most drones are propeller craft and not actually supersonic jet aircraft

The problem with using AA guns against enemy vehicles is they burn through ammo really quickly, and armored vehicles tend to move in larger groups than do airborne targets. An AA gun is also NOT made to withstand a hit by any round by pretty much anything higher than a .50cal/12.7mm (if even).
 
don't fret Russiabros, Ukraine has only 6 (not 5, not 7) tanks remaining in service

So either 1) Lying hilariously or 2) The Russian Army is so inept they can't take an apparently completely undefended nation with armour and artillery when they have near complete advantage.

I mean if this is the bullshit they've been reporting back home no wonder they think they're actually fighting NATO.

I remember reading about how russians get rewarded cash for each enemy vehicle destroyed and how it's speculated it hilariously led to there being almost more kills reported than it is possible. Also rumors of them sabotaging their own vehicles (stripped of Z) and reporting it as destroyed UA vehicles.

If russians keep going with these reports they will go overboard and will start reporting about how many vehicles and planes NATO has remaining to avoid saying they killed 2654/2416 tanks and thus achieving over 100% completion on their objectives.

Also keep in mind russians recently blamed UA tank unit for firing upon civilian buildings in some RU controlled village, how the fuck do UA troops manage to get any of their remaining 6 tanks into enemy territory to conduct gay ops? Figure that out.

They said this about the massacre in Bucha as well, even some of the retarded russiaboos came in here saying the same bullshit that the UA army had somehow snuck around the russian army (which at the time was in complete control of the area and had some of its crap crack troops there. And slaughtered a bunch of civillians to generate outrage on the world stage.


FSB Ukrainian Neo-Nazi Starter Pack

They Deleted this video from their official FSB page. Shows the staged arrest and all the items.

Including: "Ivan, buy the SIM Cards" and so Ivan went to the nearest store and asked for three copies of sims.

Putin seems to have managed to purge all dangerous intellectuals from the FSB, these items were found in the house of a assassin hired to kill some journalist. Russia is fucked if this is what their "intelligence" comes up with.

Yes that really is three copies of The Sims fucking video game among the items, they don't know what the fuck a sim card is.
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Super weird. I could have sworn that the T-84 was in service, even if limited (<40).
I knew that the T-84 Yagatan was pretty much a hypothetical concept, and I knew Oplot-M was the one being sold to Thailand...

I looked it up and you're right, I just could have sworn I read different.
Could you be getting confused with the Yugoslavian M-84? Croatia's upgrading 48 of those and dumping the rest into storage.
 
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