Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[kuuu]

Ukraine and their respect for rule of law

 

[Uncle Buck]

You mean Viktor Medvedchuk? He was removed from positon of co-chairman in his party 8 of march 2022

https://lb.ua/news/2022/03/08/508614_boyko_stav_golovoyu_politradi_opzzh.html

Here:

Ukraine placed sanctions on Medvedchuk in February 2021, freezing his assets, and took off the air three television stations it said belonged to him for promoting Russian propaganda.

"Russian propaganda" here meaning any suggestion that neighboring countries should get along and that the idea of Ukraine selling itself to degenerate freak Europe for peanuts wasn't in its long-term best interests.

 

[Borscht]

@Borscht
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[Elbereth]

"Russian propaganda" here meaning any suggestion that neighboring countries should get along and that the idea of Ukraine selling itself to degenerate freak Europe for peanuts wasn't in its long-term best interests.

Russia gets along by killing Ukrainians, destroying their cities and raping women and children.

What a lovely people. I wonder why would Ukrainans choose EU instead.

 

[Tealeaf]

Even with control rods, you don't have enough control over energy supply to complement jumping energy supply from renewable.

If you really wanted a nuclear power plant to provide demand responsive power, you could make it so. No worse than a demand-responsive gas or coal fired plant. Sure, you might also want a hydro or chemical battery reservoir to provide better micro-response in excess of the precision a large generator turbine provides, but we’ve run power grids without any such humbug for over a century.

Your main question is still that why would you do that. What nukes, wind and solar share is that the cost structure is very static. You pay for the plants existing and maintaining them, regardless of whether they provide power or not. If you’re producing excess power from wind and solar plants to the extent you can’t scale down your nukes fast enough, you might as well shut down the wind and solar plants to match demand. Wind farms are designed to be able to shut down to protect themselves from extreme wind, so you can shut them down in any wind conditions if you’re producing too much. Most large scale solar plants allow orienting the photovoltaic panels or mirrors to optimize efficiency, so point them away from the sun instead. Having excess power is generally a good problem to have.

Do the easiest thing available to you. Prevent dumb problems by not causing them in the first place. Jump the fence where it’s the lowest. You don’t get extra points for going full retard. Be an engineer.

That said, most renewable power subsidies are retarded and are incentives to go full retard and break the grid. If you get uncondionally paid for every joule put into the grid, regardless of whether the grid needs it, you’re going to try push those joules in. This causes all sorts of dumb problems that shouldn’t need to be solved.

 

[Random Internet Person]

It takes only one a&n retard to turn three pages of this thread into shit

Well, I think when the right sees something that they feel will deliver the death blow to their enemies, they tend to go into major overdrive with their wet dreams of revolution.

 

[White_N]

Russia gets along by killing Ukrainians, destroying their cities and raping women and children.

What a lovely people. I wonder why would Ukrainans choose EU instead.

 

[Elbereth]

Are you in denial that there is war in Ukraine? That there are civilians dying, womena and children getting raped?

Or you think that the man who's youngest daughter has Putin as godfather has best intention of Ukraine in mind?

 

[Ward]

Well, I think when the right...

Why are you here?

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

That there are civilians dying, womena and children getting raped?

Hide yo kids, hide yo Poles

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

More cancelling of Rossiya:

Should Russian culture should be banned or canceled to punish Russia and Vladimir Putin for their aggression against Ukraine?

Dramatically, in March 2022, the Metropolitan Opera in New York decided to cut ties with all artists who were regarded as "pro-Putin." As a consequence, Met general manager Peter Gelb dropped from the cast the magnetic soprano, Anna Netrebko, whom he describes as one of the greatest singers in Met history. There was, he said, no way forward, because Netrebko had not renounced her support of Putin.

In response, Netrebko replied that she was opposed to "this war[.] I am Russian and I love my country[.] [However, f]orcing artists or any public figure to voice their opinions in public and denounce their homeland is not right. I am not a member of any political party, nor an expert in politics."

The canceling and boycotting of individuals connected in some way with Russia raise troubling issues. The case of this gifted soprano is only one of a number in the stampede to ban those individuals and organizations connected with Russia. One can understand the animus toward Valery Gergiev, general director of the Malinsky Theater and artistic director of the White Nights Festival in St. Petersburg, who is a known friend and supporter of Putin and who has not distanced himself from the Ukraine aggression. He has been asked to resign from various positions in Europe and U.S. as conductor or director. The same is true of Anatoly Karpov, former world chess champion, who became a member of the Russian parliament.

It is appropriate, however, to ask if the animosity and global ostracism toward Russians has gone too far. Does it make sense to ban all Russian culture, art, literature, music? Why ban Shostakovich's Ninth Symphony, of 1945, because it was commissioned by Stalin, but which is not a celebration of the Stalinist system, but rather a dark and brooding work?

The Lucerne music festival canceled two symphony concerts featuring Russian works. The British Royal Opera house canceled the Moscow Bolshoi ballet. Russia is banned from the Eurovision song contest, which it won in 2008. The swimming backstroke star Evgeny Rylor, who won two gold medals at the Olympics, was removed from his sponsorship of Speedo swimwear and banned from the sport after he appeared at a Putin rally at which he wore a jacket with the Z sign, the symbol of support for the Russian invasion. At the Venice Biennale, the Olympics of the art world, which opened in April, the Russian pavilion will remain closed, whereas the Ukrainian pavilion will be open.

The most striking decision is the ban by the All England Club, Wimbledon Tennis, of Russian and Belarusian tennis players from its two-week grand slam tournament. These players had already been banned from the Davis cup and Billie Jean King cup competitions. The general rule is that would-be grand slam players earn the right to compete based on their professional tennis rankings alone. The Wimbledon decision is the first time a player has been banned because of birth place since 1946, when Japanese and German players were banned. The Wimbledon ban will include Daniil Medvedev, ranked no. 2 in the world; Andrei Rublev, no. 8; and Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova, no. 15.

Nine of the top 30 players in the world are banned, including Aryna Sabalenka, no. 4, and Victoria Azarenka, former no. 1. Part of reason for the Wimbledon decision may be that the tournament will be attended by Kate, the Duchess of Cambridge, patron of Wimbledon. However, the Wimbledon authorities have justified their decision by declaring that "it is our responsibility to play our part in efforts ... to limit Russia's global influence through the strongest means possible."

On this charge, there are differences not only in the West, but also in Russia itself. On March 1, 2022, 17,000 Russian artists, historians, and representatives of culture and art in the Russian Federation initiated an open letter to call for peace between Russia and Ukraine. They held that the deployment of the "special operation" by Russia was the "entire construction of the Russian authorities," and they opposed the war being waged, allegedly, on their behalf. They expressed their absolute solidarity with the people of Ukraine. They demanded an immediate stop to all hostilities, the withdrawal of Russian troops from the territory of Ukraine, and the holding of peace talks.

Various performing artists have spoken out against Putin. The conductor Semyon Bychkov canceled performances with the Russian national youth symphony orchestra. There are also conductor Kirill Petrenko at the Berlin Philharmonic; hip-hop and rap artist Oxxxymron; Elena Kovalskaya, an artistic director of the Meyerhold theater in Moscow; and French ballet dancer Laurent Hilaire.

There are two problems: the need for free speech and open discussion and the right of individual and organizations to make their own decisions and the return of absurd censorship.

Mikhail Baryshnikov, the former ballet dancer who was born in Riga, Latvia and defected from Russia and the Kirov ballet to the U.S., commented that an open exchange in the arts is always a good thing. "I don't think it's right to put the weight of a country's political decisions on the backs of artists or athletes, who may leave vulnerable family members in their own country." He has, with other prominent individuals, created "True Russia," a GoFundMe campaign to spread a better understanding of Russian culture, as well as to raise money to help refugees.

It is worth considering whether these bans and boycotts already imposed have an effect on Putin. Do Western actions such as removing music by Tchaikovsky from the program of the Cardiff Orchestra, or canceling a university course on Dostoevsky, or not drinking vodka, or eating in a Russian-style restaurant, or forgoing borscht or beef stroganoff or pirozhki, trouble Putin?

We have been here before, in controversies of whether the U.S. and the Western democracies should have attended the 1936 Berlin Olympic games, or whether the U.S. in 1938 should have invited Leni Riefenstahl, who directed hagiographical films of Adolf Hitler, to tour the U.S. and Hollywood film studios to advertise her propaganda film Olympia rather than ostracize her.

The ban on Russians is not complete. Evgeny Rylov, though seemingly banned, took part in the Belgian swimming competition, and the French tennis tournament remains open, but the ban is meaningful. The UEFA (Union of European Football Associations), the power of European soccer, and the FIFA (International Federation) have banned Russian clubs from their competitions. The 2022 Champion League final, which was to have taken place in St. Petersburg, has been moved to Paris. Russians have been expelled from the 2022 World Cup.

It remains for Putin to be expelled from the territory of Ukraine.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/04/banning_russia_banning_russians.html

https://archive.ph/bHLDG

 

[kuuu]

You are either underwith us or against us.
t. US of A

 

[White_N]

Residents of Mariupol:

"Do not believe the Ukrainian propaganda. We have been waiting for the DPR for 8 years. 8 years... And thank God that it happened...".

The vote on joining the DPR was also mentioned, and how those who voted were caught later and how they ended up in a mass grave near the airport, but such fate bypassed the interviewees.

 

[AGPinochet]

Why are the Ukrops posturing against Transnistria? Could they be so low on Munitions that they want to take the massive ammo dump there or are they worried about the RU Peacekeepers there attacking into Ukranian territory coincing with a Push on Odessa?

 

[White_N]

Why are the Ukrops posturing against Transnistria? Could they be so low on Munitions that they want to take the massive ammo dump there or are they worried about the RU Peacekeepers there attacking into Ukranian territory coincing with a Push on Odessa?

Yes

 

[UVB-76]

But what threat France alone can be to the USA. The problem is France does not have whole of West under it's belt, US does. That's why i proposed Comintern as alternative to NATO and not just single nation. If Ukraine openly proclaimed their neutrality (No NATO) and gave special status to DNR/LNR, there would not be a war (and if there was one, it would be very unpopular one.)
Also, the whole ordeal about protests and who shot who is simply a matter of who you support. It might be simple orange revolution, might be genuine pro-western protest . Though it is strange that Zelensky just "lost" all documents pertaining to sniper fire at Maidan.
The same deal is with separatists - were they founded by Kremlin beforehand, were they organic or is it a mix of the two? If you have pro-Western views - they are nothing more than Putin puppets even before 2014. If you are pro-Russian - they are nothing more than true Russian patriots who seek to reunite with greater motherland, abused and killed by Ukrainian regime. I assume both of those are true to some extent, but how much there is one over the other is hard for me to determinate.
About wanting war - i know there was two Minsk agreements that wasn't followed, Putin has putdown most rabid pro-unification officials from LNR/DNR, Zelensky tried to pull out forces from DNR/LNR, but was threatened with coup by solders. So i don't know who wanted this war. Overall Russian plan was to force special status for DNR and LNR and have it's influence on Ukraine through them.(Though it's kind of hearsay, so you can discard talk "about war" if you have something more solid, i can't provide any sources for my claims).
And why war could not be avoided in 2022 is simple. If Putin let DNR/LNR die out, he will lose all political capital and would look weak. Also, Russians would not understand why he let people of LNR and DNR die for nothing. It might have been the end for him, if he would do nothing in this situation.

I understand the analogy falls apart as we're dealing with second-rate powers here, but I really wanted to hammer home that the situation wasn't as nefarious as many make it out to be - sometimes, shit just happens. Had the 2014 protests happened somewhere else, the guy would stay in power, the EU would have thrown a fit and sanctioned them, we still wouldn't know the identity of the snipers but rest assured their secret services would have shown photos of a raid on apartment with The Sims jewel cases next to sniper rifles that had NATO stickers on them. But because Ukraine is Ukraine the situation snowballed even if no external pressure were applied. We're applying a "long march approach" to events that initially had nothing to do with NATO moving the chess pieces closer to Russia, even though they may look like that was the plan all along. The US can't conduct regime change in Iran, Venezuela, etc but Ukraine runs like a textbook op? Do CIA tricks only work on white skinned people?
The Donbass conflict is portrayed as a security risk for Russia, like a mess they can't just ignore so they had to act - but it just looks advantageous. The ongoing conflict still brings the same benefits as occupation without actually comitting to it, it serves as a buffer around the Azov sea and makes the region too unstable for investors to want to start exploiting the natural resources.

 

[Duke Nukem]

If people are going to virtue-signal using a Ukie flag, they should at least have the balls to use the correct one:

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I have come to actively despise the blue and yellow shitposters, like yeah that's great dude, you and over 90% of the people spamming hearts and flags in your profiles and display names didn't even know the fucking country existed until a few weeks ago.

 

[Orange Man Costume]

Some more videos i found that i have not seen here

Chechens found quite a bit of cash with the recent supplies they got their hands on. Biden Bucks?

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Some cute footage of ukrainian women welcoming DPR soldiers and neat footage of tanks

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Chechen money video is probably fake, as in someone dubbed themself over a video of stolen money from Ghana Libya?.

I haven't checked for exact 1:1 footage but here's a very similar video from 2018 2011.

(update, according to some gulagged subreddit (that you can't see without an account and going through a quarantine page) even the ghana 2018 video is fake and this is from libya in 2011.)



I guess moral of the story here is that the more potato the footage is, the faker, and that rule doesn't just apply to Ukies.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Why are the Ukrops posturing against Transnistria?

One rumor suggests the Moldavian government is mulling ceding "autonomous" Transnistria to Ukraine so that they can de-facto invade without actually "invading" [nevermind that they're allegdely bombing the region already].

 

[Mr Processor]

Putin at a meeting with the Council of Legislators of the Federal Assembly

"If someone wants to intervene in the situation in Ukraine from the outside and creates a strategic threat, the strikes will be lightning-fast. Russia, in the event of a threat to it, uses in response means that its opponents do not yet have.

Putin at a meeting with the Council of Legislators of the Federal Assembly:

All the tasks of the special military operation in Ukraine and Donbass will be unconditionally fulfilled.

“Our soldiers and officers prevented the real danger that hung over our homeland, prevented a large-scale conflict that would unfold on our territory according to other people’s scenarios.

Opponents of the Russian Federation in the world simply do not need such a large country as Russia

- Ukraine from the outside was pushed to a direct clash with Russia. Russia cannot allow the creation of anti-Russian territories around the country.

The West’s reliance on Russophobes and neo-Nazis is a new geopolitical weapon.

— The Russian economy has resisted, not crumbled under the impact of sanctions, which in the West was considered crushing.

The whole "strikes will be lightning fast" thing is a tad concerning. Of course, I assume what he means by interfering from outside is sending troops. Well, more troops than the advisors who are already there. Since to me, interfering from outside would also include sending arms.