Serious LGBT Discussion

[AngryTreeRat]

I don't hate trans people. I hate troons, but that is for the damage they do to trans people getting the proper treatment they deserve, those I've met with gender dysphoria are pitiful and miserable people. They are in nothing but suffering. I hate AGPs for the same reason, they get in the way of proper understanding and treatment of those in suffering. When it comes to trans people the biggest thing I hate is the movement like anything LGBT. The movement is a disease. It makes more problems than anything for all involved.

If there is one trans behavior I'm very critical of, it's trans projection. I use the terms of trans and gay projection to try to describe the behaviour of pushing to turn every character into a gay or trans icon or to try to convince all those around them they must be gay or trans. It is projecting one's own sexual or gender identity upon others, fictional or real, around them since they see some point of relatability with that person, and rather than consider they could relate to someone who isn't gay/trans like them they assume that person must also be gay/trans. Sort of the first step to "cracking eggs". Where you find someone isn't trans and try to convince them to become trans. The key issue is, the "egg" is absolutely not trans and in the closet, it's purely a case of projection upon that person from a trans individual. As mentioned gays do this too, but they are less aggressive about it.

Normally this sits in the domain of fanfic and it is whatever. I have no issue with that beyond thinking "You fuckers need to get laid" from time to time.

The issue is, especially with trans projection, is when it gets applied to real people, as that depressingly often leads to grooming when they see a "confused" kid/teen playing with the "wrong" toy or drinking from the "wrong" colour cup, or they seem to not be acting in the most stereotypically gendered way possible, but instead might show some traits or interests traditionally associated with the other gender, then they start trying to force an identity on that kid, rather than accepting said kid just not be the most conforming member of their gender.

Where it really gets to be an issue is when they start fucking around with kid's biology who will never fully recover when they go off of the puberty blockers and HRT once they are old enough to think for and make decisions for themselves. They are fucking these kids up to try and fulfill their own fantasies and to live through these kids. It is like those parents that put their kids through sports, through pageants, or shit like that not because the kids enjoy it, but because they want to live through the children. Projecting your desires upon your children like that is bullshit, and shouldn't be done. A parent, or any other adult for that matter, shouldn't be trying to live through a child, they should be helping that child be prepared to live their own life. They especially shouldn't be trying to define the sense of identity for a child. All that does is lead to confusion, and if we start dragging in drugs, health issues.

 

[Noir drag freak]

Can you write coherently please.

Sorry, I was at work so I was just writing down my thoughts.

I don't hate trans people. I hate troons, but that is for the damage they do to trans people getting the proper treatment they deserve, those I've met with gender dysphoria are pitiful and miserable people. They are in nothing but suffering. I hate AGPs for the same reason, they get in the way of proper understanding and treatment of those in suffering. When it comes to trans people the biggest thing I hate is the movement like anything LGBT. The movement is a disease. It makes more problems than anything for all involved.

If there is one trans behavior I'm very critical of, it's trans projection. I use the terms of trans and gay projection to try to describe the behaviour of pushing to turn every character into a gay or trans icon or to try to convince all those around them they must be gay or trans. It is projecting one's own sexual or gender identity upon others, fictional or real, around them since they see some point of relatability with that person, and rather than consider they could relate to someone who isn't gay/trans like them they assume that person must also be gay/trans. Sort of the first step to "cracking eggs". Where you find someone isn't trans and try to convince them to become trans. The key issue is, the "egg" is absolutely not trans and in the closet, it's purely a case of projection upon that person from a trans individual. As mentioned gays do this too, but they are less aggressive about it.

Normally this sits in the domain of fanfic and it is whatever. I have no issue with that beyond thinking "You fuckers need to get laid" from time to time.

The issue is, especially with trans projection, is when it gets applied to real people, as that depressingly often leads to grooming when they see a "confused" kid/teen playing with the "wrong" toy or drinking from the "wrong" colour cup, or they seem to not be acting in the most stereotypically gendered way possible, but instead might show some traits or interests traditionally associated with the other gender, then they start trying to force an identity on that kid, rather than accepting said kid just not be the most conforming member of their gender.

Where it really gets to be an issue is when they start fucking around with kid's biology who will never fully recover when they go off of the puberty blockers and HRT once they are old enough to think for and make decisions for themselves. They are fucking these kids up to try and fulfill their own fantasies and to live through these kids. It is like those parents that put their kids through sports, through pageants, or shit like that not because the kids enjoy it, but because they want to live through the children. Projecting your desires upon your children like that is bullshit, and shouldn't be done. A parent, or any other adult for that matter, shouldn't be trying to live through a child, they should be helping that child be prepared to live their own life. They especially shouldn't be trying to define the sense of identity for a child. All that does is lead to confusion, and if we start dragging in drugs, health issues.

Do you think that the issue is that people are searching for meaning? That’s why they project their own sense of self on to others? Or that people can only see others as cultural abstractions and not who they really are?

Heterosexuals project their notions of gender and sexuality onto other people as well. So I don’t understand why you’re laying this at the feet of gays and trans. It’s not right in case but it’s a very human trait. It’s related to stereotyping.

I don’t think that the vast majority of gay men project their identities onto fictional characters. That has become the sole domain of heterosexual/bisexual teen girls and women. Hell, I can’t even find a good homosexual theme novel because most of the gay section is now full of smut written for and by women. Hence, why I said that gay culture is dead. Most of gay culture has become a neat package for the consumption of suburban females. It’s hard to find a Genet in this day and age.

 

[AngryTreeRat]

Sorry, I was at work so I was just writing down my thoughts.


Do you think that the issue is that people are searching for meaning? That’s why they project their own sense of self on to others? Or that people can only see others as cultural abstractions and not who they really are?

Heterosexuals project their notions of gender and sexuality onto other people as well. So I don’t understand why you’re laying this at the feet of gays and trans. It’s not right in case but it’s a very human trait. It’s related to stereotyping.

I don’t think that the vast majority of gay men project their identities onto fictional characters. That has become the sole domain of heterosexual/bisexual teen girls and women. Hell, I can’t even find a good homosexual theme novel because most of the gay section is now full of smut written for and by women. Hence, why I said that gay culture is dead. Most of gay culture has become a neat package for the consumption of suburban females. It’s hard to find a Genet in this day and age.

I don't mind projecting on fictional characters, as I said the most critique there is some people need to get laid, but when it's onto actual people I have an issue. If it's onto other adults, they can handle it themselves, but when it's on to kids stay the fuck away. Don't go confusing that kid. Even if you want to help, the kid is poorly equipped to properly process the help you're trying to give, and identity is a personal thing. I'm extra touchy when it comes to pushing this onto kids for PL reasons related to the sexuality and gender part, but I will leave it at "the road to hell is paved in good intentions".

I cut a big paragraph out of that previous post of personal experience growing up with a nice accepting progressive family being told that it was ok if I was gay or straight, cis or trans, and how as a kid and teen not fitting into any of the progressive boxes offered fucked me up bad until I went through my "fuck you and your labels" rebellious phase and figured out who I was. I was told there was box A and box B. I needed a box A+B as a kid, but because one was never offered I didn't see the option existed, as I was a kid and took all of it to be mutually exclusive, as well I felt a pressure, as kids do when you put options in front of them, to make a decision right there and none of them fit and it fucked me up. There were countless options that my family would love and support me taking and I didn't feel right with any of them. I felt like my family was going to hate me and reject me.

The constant support that I'd be loved and everything no matter what I chose was well meaning, they just didn't want me to feel I had to hide in the closet like my aunt did, or for me to think they would think less of me, as I said I come from a very progressive family (though we'd be called backwards bigots now as the meaning of progressive has shifted left further and further), and I was offered dozens of boxes to fit into, and none of them fit me and it was distressing as hell as a kid. I even ended up going to professionals during highschool looking for advice of my own accord, but since nothing as it was presented seemed to suit me I got even more fucked up, as my head was already full of crap from well meaning adults before then.

I've shared this story in more detail in other places more suited for going on about things than this site, it's come to light that it is not uncommon the help offered caused more confusion or a sense of restriction. If you really need something to do if you see a kid who might be going through shit, get then to explain the issue themselves. Don't offer any boxes that might fit them better, because identity is a personal thing and you won't ever offer that kid enough if they are anything other than on one clear spot on your DnD style sexuality and gender grid.

Let kids figure it out for themselves, don't bring it up, don't offer support until they ask, don't fill their heads with more terminology and concepts than they are ready to handle, let them figure that shit out at their own pace. Yes, little Timmy might turn out to be gay or decide he's a she and that's fine, but little Timmy might decide he's a he that just likes pink frilly dresses and has a future in the fashion industry. If little Timmy needs your help he'll start searching. What worked for me, what was right for me, likely isn't right for Timmy, but neither is what was right for you. Little Timmy might have something in common with you, but that doesn't mean he is like you. You won't change who and what little Timmy is, he'll get there on his own, all you'll do is make his journey more difficult as he gets dragged along your path rather than his own.

Yes heterosexuals are responsible for this as well, I realize now that's something else I cut from my previous post, but transpeople especially have a culture of "cracking eggs", and they tend to project their gender onto anyone who is non-conforming to the binary. Part of the expanded version of my above tale includes how I personally faced that and it made things worse. Gay guys don't do much of it, I'll admit that too, but I meant gay as in "all non-heterosexual male and female", you know the shorter term to cover the entirity of LGB at once.

 

[Noir drag freak]

Fair enough. Personally, I’m okay with labels and boxes. Labels and boxes help people because they place boundaries and borders. Liberals like to say that exclusion and discrimination is bad. However, I don’t see anything wrong with them. The human psyche hasn’t worked out how to deal with death and birth.

I agree that it something that a child should solve and questions on their own. The adult should give the the child as much information that is appropriate for their age.


As a homosexual, I like clear and defined terms so I know what I’m dealing with. So do the majority of heterosexual women. When you open the boundaries around sexuality, it can cause chaos due to the possibility and the unequal cost of reproduction.

That’s one of my problem with the modern LGBT+ movement. It refuses to answers the questions of sex and there are taboos and mores around it. Transexuals think that they overwrite reality of biological sex just by cross dressing. Bisexuals think that they can enjoy any gender without homosexual males/females and opposite sex attracted females feeling any type of way.

Sex comes at a grave cost. Society should acknowledge and come up with a solution.

 

[Vingle]

Bisexuals think that they can enjoy any gender without homosexual males/females and opposite sex attracted females feeling any type of way.

Not really, most of them are reluctant to telling that they are bi. Because both fags and straight women are butthurt by them being able to like both. Just because they can, does not mean they are whoring around town. Which fags and straight women in most cases are a bigger sinner for. But as usual, both parties lack self-insight

As a fag, what should I feel? Because I certainly like bi men better, as they're more manly. Even though there are cases out there that are very faggy, to the point where you doubt they're even bi.

Being bi in itself is a very clear and defined thing, do we need to spoon-feed you to make it even more clear?

 

[Noir drag freak]

Not really, most of them are reluctant to telling that they are bi. Because both fags and straight women are butthurt by them being able to like both. Just because they can, does not mean they are whoring around town. Which fags and straight women in most cases are a bigger sinner for. But as usual, both parties lack self-insight

As a fag, what should I feel? Because I certainly like bi men better, as they're more manly. Even though there are cases out there that are very faggy, to the point where you doubt they're even bi.

Being bi in itself is a very clear and defined thing, do we need to spoon-feed you to make it even more clear?

Yes, bisexuality is real. I read about about it and seen it in real life. I couldn’t be with a bisexual men. I don’t think that I could take being left for the opposite sex. I would imagine women feel the same way.
However, I don’t want to feel like shame because I couldn’t give a guy a normal life and biological children. Women don’t want to be shamed and gossiped about because she was left for a man. In the gay man’s case, people will say at least his former partner will children and his family name will live on. For the woman, people will tell her she should have known that it was a possibility. They’ll give both sympathy, but laugh at both for being fools.
My ego couldn’t handle that type of social humiliation.

 

[topsikrets]

All queers deserve to be killed.

 

[Picnic_Boy]

All queers deserve to be killed.

Dude Paul Lynde was hilarious.

 

[Syaoran Li]

All trads deserve to be killed.

Fixed that for you, bro.

 

[Po's Cootah]

In my honest opinion, I don't care if one is LGBT (if they're not trying to be too special using neopronouns, xenogenders and xenosexualities/MOGAI). What matters to me is their attitude and whether they're trying to use the fact they're LGBT to be a complete cunt to others.

 

[Kenya Jones]

I don't hate trans people. I hate troons, but that is for the damage they do to trans people getting the proper treatment they deserve, those I've met with gender dysphoria are pitiful and miserable people. They are in nothing but suffering. I hate AGPs for the same reason, they get in the way of proper understanding and treatment of those in suffering. When it comes to trans people the biggest thing I hate is the movement like anything LGBT. The movement is a disease. It makes more problems than anything for all involved.

If there is one trans behavior I'm very critical of, it's trans projection. I use the terms of trans and gay projection to try to describe the behaviour of pushing to turn every character into a gay or trans icon or to try to convince all those around them they must be gay or trans. It is projecting one's own sexual or gender identity upon others, fictional or real, around them since they see some point of relatability with that person, and rather than consider they could relate to someone who isn't gay/trans like them they assume that person must also be gay/trans. Sort of the first step to "cracking eggs". Where you find someone isn't trans and try to convince them to become trans. The key issue is, the "egg" is absolutely not trans and in the closet, it's purely a case of projection upon that person from a trans individual. As mentioned gays do this too, but they are less aggressive about it.

Normally this sits in the domain of fanfic and it is whatever. I have no issue with that beyond thinking "You fuckers need to get laid" from time to time.

The issue is, especially with trans projection, is when it gets applied to real people, as that depressingly often leads to grooming when they see a "confused" kid/teen playing with the "wrong" toy or drinking from the "wrong" colour cup, or they seem to not be acting in the most stereotypically gendered way possible, but instead might show some traits or interests traditionally associated with the other gender, then they start trying to force an identity on that kid, rather than accepting said kid just not be the most conforming member of their gender.

Where it really gets to be an issue is when they start fucking around with kid's biology who will never fully recover when they go off of the puberty blockers and HRT once they are old enough to think for and make decisions for themselves. They are fucking these kids up to try and fulfill their own fantasies and to live through these kids. It is like those parents that put their kids through sports, through pageants, or shit like that not because the kids enjoy it, but because they want to live through the children. Projecting your desires upon your children like that is bullshit, and shouldn't be done. A parent, or any other adult for that matter, shouldn't be trying to live through a child, they should be helping that child be prepared to live their own life. They especially shouldn't be trying to define the sense of identity for a child. All that does is lead to confusion, and if we start dragging in drugs, health issues.

Isn't it normal for people to see themselves in other people, real or fictional? I can't count how many times I've seen people post a picture/video/story about someone and then say "omg they're just like me" or something along those lines.

Sorry, I was at work so I was just writing down my thoughts.


Do you think that the issue is that people are searching for meaning? That’s why they project their own sense of self on to others? Or that people can only see others as cultural abstractions and not who they really are?

Heterosexuals project their notions of gender and sexuality onto other people as well. So I don’t understand why you’re laying this at the feet of gays and trans. It’s not right in case but it’s a very human trait. It’s related to stereotyping.

I don’t think that the vast majority of gay men project their identities onto fictional characters. That has become the sole domain of heterosexual/bisexual teen girls and women. Hell, I can’t even find a good homosexual theme novel because most of the gay section is now full of smut written for and by women. Hence, why I said that gay culture is dead. Most of gay culture has become a neat package for the consumption of suburban females. It’s hard to find a Genet in this day and age.

In regards to your previous post, do you think that non-white people don't transition? Because I have personally met a person of every race that is trans.

All queers deserve to be killed.

Klaus Nomi was based.

 

[Noir drag freak]

In regards to your previous post, do you think that non-white people don't transition? Because I have personally met a person of every race that is trans.

They do, but not at the rates of white people. I don’t think that non whites have the support to troon out like whites. Asian and African immigrants would commit murder before they let their children troon out. The closest thing to being a transman is being a stud. And that mostly something for adults. They don’t think about advocating for children to be studs.
Besides, non whites are more collectivist in their thinking. So a person has to think very hard before they troon out, because trooning can affect that family’s standing. White people in the South are more collectivist too.

 

[Kenya Jones]

They do, but not at the rates of white people. I don’t think that non whites have the support to troon out like whites. Asian and African immigrants would commit murder before they let their children troon out. The closest thing to being a transman is being a stud. And that mostly something for adults. They don’t think about advocating for children to be studs.
Besides, non whites are more collectivist in their thinking. So a person has to think very hard before they troon out, because trooning can affect that family’s standing. White people in the South are more collectivist too.

This is such a terrible argument to make. What all do you believe to be selfish? Do you believe that a gay man dating men despite their parents being heavily against it is selfish, or do you just specifically believe that for trans people? Because if you believe the latter, that is legit mind-bogglingly idiotic.

 

[Noir drag freak]

This is such a terrible argument to make. What all do you believe to be selfish? Do you believe that a gay man dating men despite their parents being heavily against it is selfish, or do you just specifically believe that for trans people? Because if you believe the latter, that is legit mind-bogglingly idiotic.

To be honest, yes. It is what it is. I don’t care if I’m hypocritical.

 

[Kenya Jones]

To be honest, yes. It is what it is. I don’t care if I’m hypocritical.

Guess I cannot argue with that. All I'll say is you are dangerously wrong, and that thinking like this costs peoples lives(literally).

 

[Gingervitis]

Isn't it normal for people to see themselves in other people, real or fictional? I can't count how many times I've seen people post a picture/video/story about someone and then say "omg they're just like me" or something along those lines.

In regards to your previous post, do you think that non-white people don't transition? Because I have personally met a person of every race that is trans.

Klaus Nomi was based.

I found the troon

 

[Kenya Jones]

I found the troon

 

[Ser Prize]

Blaire ruined herself with all the plastic surgery. She looks like she could be a cast member of Planet From The Apes now.

>she

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

I wasn't abused myself, but I've been fascinated by the high incidence of predation in the gay community. It makes me wonder how much of it is a chicken and egg problem. You hear the gays accused of preying on kids and "turning" them gay, and it makes sense to me that wires would get crossed in a developing brain like that, but I also wonder if some of those stats have the cause and effect flipped. What I mean is, say you have a precocious kid, different enough from his/her peers that a predatory adult senses it's easier to split them off from the pack. In that scenario, the abuse didn't  turn them gay, but the predisposition to being gay attracted the predator. If that makes any sense. The muddy relationship between nature and nurture with human sexuality makes it impossible to determine which of the two it was.

 

[Kenya Jones]

>she

>Caring about words