Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[UVB-76]

I wonder if it just fake videos because FSB don't want to feel left out from all the action and don't want army and Chechens to get all the laurels, or is it actually true.

First dude was wearing camo pants and the second one kept his Ukrainian uniform and medals.
The videos are either fake or Ukraine is not sending their best. Holy shit keep a low profile.

If Putin does actually stop or even restrict hydrocarbon exports the EU will collapse.

Mr Putin harden your heart, I want the ressurgence of the atomic age!

 

[The Ugly One]

This "rules for thee" shit is seriously baffling. Either we are playing by the rules of engatement, and then confiscating Russia's gold reserve and nationalizing its properties are not okay, or we are not playing by the rules and it's Economic World War One where anything goes. The West chose the latter and is now surprised Pikachu facing hard.

Most people learn that punching someone gets you a punch in return long before kindergarten.

And before people try to gotcha me with a "haw haw Russia attacked first suck it vatnik", I'd like to point out the concept of proportional response exists for a reason. Yes, attacking Ukraine was a retarded dick move. No, it was not sufficient reason to send the entire world order tumbling down on our heads, and by "our" I do not mean myself and my countrymen. The ripples and aftershocks will make it worse for everybody.

Back when the Twin Towers were hit, House Representative Ron Paul (PBUH) pointed out that we'd spent the last decade dropping bombs all over the Muslim world, and that to people in those countries, that sure as shit looks like an act of war, so striking back at us is a natural thing for them to try to do. This got labeled "blowback theory," and he was smeared in the press as saying the 9/11 victims deserved it. To this day, official Washington foreign policy doctrine is that it's not an act of war when we drop bombs on you, only when you drop bombs on us.

What we believe is that when we punch you, you deserved to get punched, so it's morally wrong when you punch back.

 

[Overly Serious]

They have a tendency of failing, that's all I'm saying. In 1953 it was easier.
Also, I like the implication that the US has be ability to start a coup out of nowhere as soon as Yanukovich slipped, but Russia simply allowed it to happen without interference.

The phone call suggests that people involved in politics talk about politics. It wouldn't even make sense to have that conversation if the US had a plan. If you go in an listen to the call with the mind made up on the fact that the US pre-selected politicians to take over after the coup, that's what you'll hear.

So let's recap:
- Ukraine takes a huge blow by losing an industrial area to Russia permanently, with no hope of getting it back
- Ukraine is forced to hand out gibs to Crimea because Russia wants territory but makes surprised Pikachu face when the country they took the land from withholds their resources
- Ukraine has zero guarantee Russia will not invade again because it cannot seek military alliance.
How the fuck is this a "peace deal"? This is shaking down a country for lunch money, and absolutely no guarantees Russia will not come back tomorrow.

Your argument is based on the viewpoint of "Ukraine" as a real entity that gains or loses. My view is that a country is an abstraction of people's views, wishes and culture. So on your basis it makes sense to say "Ukraine loses X" or "Ukraine gains Y". But from my point of view it's a case of "these people in Crimea want this", "those people in Donbass were lacking representation", etc.

Now objectively the view that a country is not a real entity in the same way a rock is, is the correct one. It IS an agreed fiction. My issue with your argument is that the agreement is failing, has failed. The narrative of what Ukraine is being pushed by Western media and by Zelenski and by Azov nazis, is not one which accurately reflects reality. Crimea certainly should not be part of Ukraine. The regions that just declared independence - well that's murkier and can be debated, but I don't see it as Russia stealing them from Ukraine because "Ukraine" is just what one side defines it as and not what people in those defined areas agree with. Now I can already anticipate counter-arguments but the good ones depend on a nation being a functioning democracy - and the Ukraine was not that.

So which matters most when it comes to such arguments? Actual reality of the people or one side's telling those people how they are defined?

 

[Captain Autism69]

So I see liveuamap has eaten the rightthink bullshit. Russia propaganda posts labelled as propoganda. Everything from the Ukr propaganda left alone.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

They have a tendency of failing, that's all I'm saying. In 1953 it was easier.
Also, I like the implication that the US has be ability to start a coup out of nowhere as soon as Yanukovich slipped, but Russia simply allowed it to happen without interference.

The phone call suggests that people involved in politics talk about politics. It wouldn't even make sense to have that conversation if the US had a plan. If you go in an listen to the call with the mind made up on the fact that the US pre-selected politicians to take over after the coup, that's what you'll hear.

So let's recap:
- Ukraine takes a huge blow by losing an industrial area to Russia permanently, with no hope of getting it back
- Ukraine is forced to hand out gibs to Crimea because Russia wants territory but makes surprised Pikachu face when the country they took the land from withholds their resources
- Ukraine has zero guarantee Russia will not invade again because it cannot seek military alliance.
How the fuck is this a "peace deal"? This is shaking down a country for lunch money, and absolutely no guarantees Russia will not come back tomorrow.

I find it to believe that anyone in 2022. knowing my country's history, would even suggest that America does not interfere in the affairs of other countries.

Back when the Twin Towers were hit, House Representative Ron Paul (PBUH) pointed out that we'd spent the last decade dropping bombs all over the Muslim world, and that to people in those countries, that sure as shit looks like an act of war, so striking back at us is a natural thing for them to try to do. This got labeled "blowback theory," and he was smeared in the press as saying the 9/11 victims deserved it. To this day, official Washington foreign policy doctrine is that it's not an act of war when we drop bombs on you, only when you drop bombs on us.

What we believe is that when we punch you, you deserved to get punched, so it's morally wrong when you punch back.

You guys don't understand why though; its because American Hegemony is correct. it is good, and it is right. The mantra of being on "the right side of history: means being on the side of America. I don't know if they actually believe the "America is is right because it's good" bullshit, but they sure as hell expect you to believe it.

 

[UVB-76]

Crimea certainly should not be part of Ukraine.

If we do boil it down we all live on rock that arbitrarily belongs to constructed entities. However, if we consider the people of Crimea real and Ukraine and Russia as constructed fiction, we have to contend with the fact that the will of the people of Crimea was enforced by the armed branch of a fictional entity. This fictional entity took real humans of flesh and bone, dressed them in very real kevlar and nylon and handed them very real weapons and ammunition.
The esoteric shit only goes so far when we live in a world where things can and do go kinetic.

The regions that just declared independence - well that's murkier and can be debated, but I don't see it as Russia stealing them from Ukraine because "Ukraine" is just what one side defines it as and not what people in those defined areas agree with. Now I can already anticipate counter-arguments but the good ones depend on a nation being a functioning democracy - and the Ukraine was not that.

Just a few pages ago Chechnya was being discussed. I think it's funny that in the case of Ukraine people take a bong hit and say "it's all fake, maaaaan it's just lines on a map maaaaan" but when it comes to Chechnya the will of the separatists be damned, those motherfuckers are going to get cluster-bombed.
The state shall wither away, except for Russia. The federation will not tolerate an islamic, crime-ridden shithole near their borders. Everyone else can suck on their thumbs and just cope with the fact that their country is fake.

I find it to believe that anyone in 2022. knowing my country's history, would even suggest that America does not interfere in the affairs of other countries.

I'm always amused with how you people read "the US hasn't ran a successful coup in decades" and strawman it into "the US doesn't interfere". I look forward to the next 1500 pages of you people purposefully misunderstanding what's being said.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I'm always amused with how you people read "the US hasn't ran a successful coup in decades" and strawman it into "the US doesn't interfere". I look forward to the next 1500 pages of you people purposefully misunderstanding what's being said.

I mean you say "It wouldn't even make sense to have that conversation if the US had a plan", implying there was no plan. Of course there was a plan; it's very simple: Do as we say, or else. The "or else" is left to interpretation, but given how things went in Chile, Iran, Italy and of course the former Yugoslavia, you'd have to be a mong to not understand (and I think even a mong would catch on very quickly).

 

[The Good Nigger]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/27/russia-doubles-fossil-fuel-revenues-since-invasion-of-ukraine-began

> Russia doubles fossil revenue since invasion of ukraine began

Literally dumbest poster in the thread.

 

[UVB-76]

Of course there was a plan; it's very simple: Do as we say, or else.

Petition to rename this thread "The Great 'or else' of 2022".

 

[Bungus Scrungus]

So can anyone give me the rundown of what's happened the past 10 or so days? Anything important? Is Russia just fucking with everyone when they say they'd be willing to use nukes?

 

[White_N]

@White_N how do average Russians view the Chechens these days over there now?

Good? Definitely better than before the war.

Blood feuds and numerous violent crimes committed by Chechens, particularly in Moscow, which they get away with because of clan protection, cast them in a negative light in the eyes of ordinary Russians. They also acted proud with the whole "jihad warrior" mentality, which also irritates many.

But now they are practicing what they preach and are joining the fight against jackals and shaitans, while streaming God is Great (TM). So Chechens are fighting for the Russian cause. What else can anyone ask for? And as a consequence, they are starting to be viewed more favorably as good-natured wackos and not as violent jihadists.

This might actually be the best thing in the history of the Russian-Chechen relationship. If politicians in Moscow and Grozny do nothing stupid and this war ends without a nuclear winter, stability in Chechnya is guaranteed.

The videos are either fake or Ukraine is not sending their best. Holy shit keep a low profile.

I mean, Ukrainians, by their own volition, filmed themselves maiming Russian captives, killing them and eating Russian Ukrainian corpses.

Those are their best.

Mr Putin harden your heart, I want the ressurgence of the atomic age!

 

[A-Stump]

So can anyone give me the rundown of what's happened the past 10 or so days? Anything important? Is Russia just fucking with everyone when they say they'd be willing to use nukes?

They say that literally every time they don't get their way. Its been that way since the cold war. It's the same exact thing North Korea does too. It's their only bargaining chip so they don't get their shit kicked in by global powers.

 

[Lookie-lou]

They say that literally every time they don't get their way. Its been that way since the cold war. It's the same exact thing North Korea does too. It's their only bargaining chip so they don't get their shit kicked in by global powers.

extremely succinct way to explain seppostan

 

[White_N]

So can anyone give me the rundown of what's happened the past 10 or so days? Anything important

Mariupol became Russian, de facto.

Possible creation of transnistrian front

Some energy shenanigans involving Russian gas are going on in Europe.

Is Russia just fucking with everyone when they say they'd be willing to use nukes?

Probably yes, but just in case, pray to whatever you believe in.

 

[UVB-76]

I mean, Ukrainians, by their own volition, filmed themselves maiming Russian captives, killing them and eating Russian Ukrainian corpses.

Still, there's a difference between the horrors that happen during war, and how people conduct themselves during glowie ops.
You don't want to look like you've been in the military nor too out of place. The first have no fear of getting caught or suffering repercussions so their conduct reflects that, the latter have no idea what's in store for them.

 

[Cavalier Cipolla]

something the NYT did every day during the Trump administration

It's also interesting how the Trump administration was the one who escalated his pursuit.
Then again, are we sure the NYT is calling them leaks simply for clickbait reasons? I mean if you call something "guv'ment leaks" everybody loses their shit! If these indeed are leaks, then that really is some glowie shit...but I think that bribery was involved in here as well, in some form at least.
In any case, it seems like Julian Assange helped leak stuff from other countries as well. I don't think Russia or China would be happy with him either! He would've probably been poisoned long ago.
Honestly, I am surprised there was no vigilante type of action targeting his liberation, when it was possible.

The only way to 'move rapidly away from fossil fuels' is to embark on a massive nuclear reactor construction program, either Uranium, Thorium or both. There is no shortage of wind farms in the EU, the more they build the more Russian gas they need to keep the lights on.

But the problem here is that there's a lot of science semi literate and likely Elon Musk fanboys who associate nuclear power with Chernobyl, despite that reactor being well known for being built, in typical Soviet and Russian fashion, very shoddily with equally retarded staff that didn't even follow proper protocols. And of course, even the radioactive waste actually isn't the CIA reminiscent glowing barrels of green liquid. Now, the problem with thorium reactors is that they're pretty expensive to say the least. But I suppose that taxing the church even just a bit would help...hopefully.

Now as for gas, I have a somewhat interesting suggestion. Why not just harvest it from cows? Yeah, you read that right, COWS! They seem to be big enough methane gas contributors, that I imagine one could probably harvest a good chunk of it that way. Or instead of just anally probing a cow for methane we could just grow the bacteria there and throw grass and algae at them so they produce methane.

 

[IKOL]

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Literally dumbest poster in the thread.

He's globohomo shill, and probably take it in the ass while diddling kids.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's true.

 

[Simpadoo]

You do realize that what he did is technically illegal, right? You think that he wouldn't get locked up in other countries for leaking their classified documents? It's like saying that a country is an authoritarian regime because someone assassinating a corrupt official, a nonce or scammer got locked up. It could be argued that's vigilante justice, but you'll still get locked up. You might want to kill a pedo tranny, which one might say is justice, but don't expect to not be locked up...unless you're Brazilian and you did it while on vacation abroad and returned home before getting caught.

The only situation where anyone ANYWHERE could get away with leaking intel would be when the individual is a glowie leaking intel from another opposing country. Like someone in Russia leaking US intel, or vice versa.

Did he hack it himself? No? Then there’s no call for it. The US is no better than Russia, it just has a much better PR department.

 

[Simpadoo]

Why do people hate the Kurds?

The only thing I recall about them is they want their own ethnostate and I vaguely remember reading a National Geographic article advocating a US-Kurd alliance several years ago.

I think anybody that has ever dealt with them (ME) is revolted by them as they are the second rate Jew race. They try to gobble up the best land and immediately cry when called on it, for example.

The US can sure pick the best allies.

 

[kuuu]

I don't think Russia or China would be happy with him either! He would've probably been poisoned long ago.

Remember Snowden? Seems to be doing just fine.

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