Debate user BoxerShorts47 on "strawmans" and logical fallacies, definitions of ephebophilia, how to MAGA, religion, Sailor Moon and more

[Stardust]

Oh because I mentioned this and thought it'd be funny as a refresher/introduction for anyone new here. Here is when Boxy said he'd have to be deported in his own white nationalist state when he deports all the darkies. Boxy is an actual cuck to the white man while also being their leader.



"I might leave USA but I'm not leaving until I defeat the liberals"~BoxerShorts47 Aug 7th 2020

I remember. Told Boxy by leaving himself he'd own the libs, but like clockwork, the Napoleonic prodigy self-cucked. By not leaving the USA, Boxy enforces the racial diversity he hates, but the libs love.

Also, according to HIS OWN Boxtopian laws, Boxy could not be it's leader. He is not white, not married, no children, no job, and not living in America due to being deported.

 

[Scipio Americanus]

This is a huge misunderstanding of the left. They don't win by being subversive and covert. They win by being strong and defending their policies, albeit with emotional manipulation and flat out lies.

You do realize that the left has gotten where it is because it was subversive and covert? The things you're pointing out are unsustainable, and it's only a matter of time before the radical elements of the modern left collapse upon themselves. I'll remind you that this sort of rhetoric has only been mainstream since 2016. It's only been 6 years, and the cracks are already showing in being overemotional and autistic.

This is a more conspiratorial take, but you don't seem to be averse to those, so I suggest you watch this interview with a former KGB officer. Pretty interesting implications.

Plus, if you're concerned about winning the ideological war, you aren't gonna do so by fighting age of consent battles. You're preaching to a choir that doesn't want to hear about how hot 16-year-olds are.

 

[BULLY HUNTER_77]

I'm going to play devils advocate since I'm bored. Tell me off.

The age of consent should be abolished because the fresher the eggs of the Woman the better chance you will have a strong baby. Ignore the dangers of childbirth in children, we can mitigate that factor with the superior medical technology we have available these days.

Plus since the Mothers are very young we have girls who have still developing brains who will adapt quickly to the new roles of Mothers. Motherhood is a job just like guys who go to work everyday. It's bizarre how we devalue it in current society. Motherhood is just as important or even moreso than Men's jobs since they are in charge of raising the next generation and what their outlook should be.

We should be marrying kids ASAP.

@Knight of the Rope @snailslime
I believe we have Part I of his manifesto now.

 

[b0x]

@Knight of the Rope @snailslime
I believe we have Part I of his manifesto now.

I thought someone would come in and debunk me, even go for the morality/ethical approach, it's easy.

 

[AnOminous]

mods r trolling me. I can't change my profile pic, I can't edit my posts, my score was changed to -6million, etc.

Kill yourself.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

You do realize that the left has gotten where it is because it was subversive and covert?

I heard that argument in the past and, eventually, I realized it was low IQ misinformation.

The left openly pushed and defended gay marriage.
They've openly pushed and defended transgenderism.

Yes, there is some subversion through Hollywood but that effect is smaller than regular activism.

The things you're pointing out are unsustainable, and it's only a matter of time before the radical elements of the modern left collapse upon themselves.

"The left is eating their own." That's just cope from low IQ people, just like the 2nd coming of Christ or QAnon "indictments are coming."

The right and left are both big tent coalitions.
There is always infighting between coalitions, e.g. AOC vs Krystal Ball
But just because these groups fight on some issues doesn't mean they'll go backwards and think transwomen aren't women or gay marriage isn't marriage.
Changing beliefs requires constructive activism from the right and bible thumping is not that.

Lastly, there is far more infighting on the right than on the left.

I'll remind you that this sort of rhetoric has only been mainstream since 2016. It's only been 6 years, and the cracks are already showing in being overemotional and autistic.

So? Last time the left went crazy in the 1960s, the counter reaction gave us Ronald Reagan: a neo-cons who pandered to identity politics (1st women on SCOTUS, amnesty for illegals and MLK Jr. national holiday) and normalized political correctness in the process. Sure Reagan slowed down the left but he didn't reverse course. That same situation will occur again unless we have good right wing activism.

This is a more conspiratorial take, but you don't seem to be averse to those, so I suggest you watch this interview with a former KGB officer. Pretty interesting implications.

Saw it years ago. It's pretty good. Some stuff I agree (like normies are sheep). Others I disagree (our problems are caused by Neo-Liberals).

Plus, if you're concerned about winning the ideological war, you aren't gonna do so by fighting age of consent battles. You're preaching to a choir that doesn't want to hear about how hot 16-year-olds are.

You could have said the exact same thing about white nationalism pre ~2017. The ethnostate has only been normalized because people like Richard Spencer fought it (that's maybe the only victory he had).
Regarding age of consent, people are changing their minds and that's part of the anti-feminist package. To be frank, I wouldn't be surprised if the avg normie wanted to say "16 yr olds are hot and I want to bang one. if it was socially acceptable again.

 

[draggs]

To be frank, I wouldn't be surprised if the avg normie wanted to say "16 yr olds are hot and I want to bang one. if it was socially acceptable again.

You can always spot the incel by their exclusive focus on base and degenerate physical lust

 

[Scipio Americanus]

I heard that argument in the past and, eventually, I realized it was low IQ misinformation.

It isn't "low IQ misinformation", lol. Politics are pretty cyclical and those cycles happen precisely because each side gets way too comfortable with their bullshit and take it too far to the point where they lose public support/get replaced with something new. There's a reason neocons have been quickly fading out of style since the 2000s. If you're basing it off your experience, you have to realize that you don't have much of it. By your own admission, you say you got redpilled after college. You've only been at this for 10-ish years?

Again, counterculture movements in academia exist. It takes time for people like that to come out of the woodwork. They're just generally more quiet about it until they aren't. I don't really care what you do, my point is that your argument about "doing my own research" is a cope, and calling arguments against that low IQ is pure projection. You're sabotaging yourself, and people like you sabotaging the movement you supposedly advocate for.

I don't know how to make you understand this, but good right wing activism is built on focusing on the good optics first and integrating the bad optics later. I don't understand why you're so adamant about the legality of fucking minors (actually I do, I just see it as gross and I don't care about your arguments for it). Making shitty arguments and being arrogant about them turns rational people off.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

Pressing X so fast right now. Holy shit!

Yeah sorry about that, I had at least 3 intoxicating substances in me when I wrote that.

 

[byuu]

We need more white children to increase my dating pool.

 

[Stardust]

I heard that argument in the past and, eventually, I realized it was low IQ misinformation.

I say the exact same thing reading your posts.

The left openly pushed and defended gay marriage.

You should be happy for this. Now, you can suck Jamal's dick openly!

Lastly, there is far more infighting on the right than on the left.

We can ALL agree that you're a faggot. True bipartisanship.

That same situation will occur again unless we have good right wing activism.

Nigga, you're not "good right-wing activism".

Saw it years ago. It's pretty good. Some stuff I agree (like normies are sheep). Others I disagree (our problems are caused by Neo-Liberals).

You're a /pol normie. And really? You blame the Left for everything in this thread!

Regarding age of consent, people are changing their minds and that's part of the anti-feminist package. To be frank, I wouldn't be surprised if the avg normie wanted to say "16 yr olds are hot and I want to bang one. if it was socially acceptable again.

Please @ ANYONE who has been swayed by you. I'm curious if anyone here would step up to bat for you, unironically.

 

[Hypodilaudism]

I can't believe this is how I'm going to start out on here, but here we go.

The trad mentality is having kids and raising kids IS the biological job of women.

@BoxerShorts47 I'm genuinely curious: according to the trad mentality, what happens if a women is unable to have children, or having children will result in physical harm to the mother?

Another one: what if the mother has a genetic condition (or a family history) that they are likely to pass on to their kids? From what I've gathered, wouldn't this be a similar offense, if not the same, as a white person having a child with a black person? Using your viewpoint, it would be egregious to knowingly taint the genetic pool by creating more weak offspring with unfavorable characteristics who will either not live to have children or choose to make more sickly children themselves.

 

[The Last Stand]

I'm going to play devils advocate since I'm bored. Tell me off.

The age of consent should be abolished because the fresher the eggs of the Woman the better chance you will have a strong baby. Ignore the dangers of childbirth in children, we can mitigate that factor with the superior medical technology we have available these days.

Plus since the Mothers are very young we have girls who have still developing brains who will adapt quickly to the new roles of Mothers. Motherhood is a job just like guys who go to work everyday. It's bizarre how we devalue it in current society. Motherhood is just as important or even moreso than Men's jobs since they are in charge of raising the next generation and what their outlook should be.

We should be marrying kids ASAP.

Somebody call a lynch mob.

 

[Stardust]

@BoxerShorts47 I'm genuinely curious: according to the trad mentality, what happens if a women is unable to have children, or having children will result in physical harm to the mother?

The better question is, what if a woman has a child like Boxy? Should we punish the parents, or is the shame and ridicule of a faggot son enough?

Another one: what if the mother has a genetic condition (or a family history) that they are likely to pass on to their kids? From what I've gathered, wouldn't this be a similar offense, if not the same, as a white person having a child with a black person? Using your viewpoint, it would be egregious to knowingly taint the genetic pool by creating more weak offspring with unfavorable characteristics who will either not live to have children or choose to make more sickly children themselves.

He can't rightfully speak on that. Boxy is a detriment to the human race, so unless he offs himself, he supports tainted children by default.

 

[Netizennameless]

This proves my point. This website is a center-left shithole. If it wasn't for people like me, you'd be accepting the passing traps like Blair White.

If you are really a white nationalist, then you have to drop the victimhood mentality. The white race got where it was by accomplishing shit, not by seeking the approval of the internet and crying about how unfair the world is.

If you want the white nationalist movement to grow, you do that by demonstrating its superiority.

But whites are not superior. White isn't even a race, the irish and italians were considered subhuman in the US until the 1900's.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

White isn't even a race, the irish and italians were considered subhuman in the US until the 1900's.

I have Boxy's response all ready for you.

I know many people here don't speak Boxy's language so I'll translate then sum it up nice and easy for you midwits.

"Irish and Italians don't count as whites, but I do as a Jew because I am not a nigger unlike the potato and pizza niggers. Therefore checkmate libtard midwit rate my post informative."

 

[Astro Loafo]

I think it is weird that boxy writes like a huge faggot.

Also, Italians and Irish were attacked for various reasons not for not being white.

 

[b0x]

But whites are not superior. White isn't even a race, the irish and italians were considered subhuman in the US until the 1900's.

Well I believe the leftists idea of "White Supremacy" which they want to destroy, is the euro-centric christian culture and government the modern western world sprang from. I'd say Europeans were pretty effective in spreading that culture.

For IQ Asia

Athletic ability tends to go to Africa.

Bust size to weight ratio goes to Russia.

Does anyone know if Indians are good at anything?

 

[Ultrapenguin]

If you are really a white nationalist, then you have to drop the victimhood mentality. The white race got where it was by accomplishing shit, not by seeking the approval of the internet and crying about how unfair the world is.

If you want the white nationalist movement to grow, you do that by demonstrating its superiority.

But whites are not superior. White isn't even a race, the irish and italians were considered subhuman in the US until the 1900's.

He isn't white, he's Filipino. I fully understand not knowing exactly what this guy's deal is because it's all spread out over about the first 150 pages, but:

-Guy endlessly rants about super right-wing politics and white supremacy to better his debate skills or some dumb BS
-He takes pictures of dude's crotches? I don't know if it was ever determined why, everyone called him gay but I hypothesize that it was to compare dick sizes? That would seem really fucking stupid, but it's exactly this dude's type of stupid.
-He's in his early 30s at least
-He's a shut in neet, I believe he lives with his parents
-Turns out he isn't actually white, or at absolute minimum in the lifetime of this thread he has been unwilling to prove he is, and he's been grilled on it. It wouldn't have been identifying information, all he was asked to do was take a picture of his hand next to a piece of paper with the date and time and he'll just ignore anyone who suggests it. I don't pay attention to this thread so idk if he's ever even tried lying about the fact he's not white. He endlessly goes on about white supremacy, but he's never said he's white.
-I'm not sure if it was ever even determined if he lives in the US.
-Eventually the topic of the age of consent comes up, and he's clearly way more passionate about it than anything else

So no, he's almost definitely Filipino. If you think I'm making shit up, then look at that recent /pol/ dwelling Philipino shooter featured on the front page. This is apparently not that uncommon a phenomenon, which is kind of hilarious but also kind of creepy. I guess it's like neurotic white people who hate themselves and never shut up about BLM.

That's why he's online, he literally can't do anything for white supremacy in real life because he's not white, this is all the fantasy.
Although honestly I guess he isn't that different from most white supremacists. They virtually always turn out to be worthless sexually degenerate alcoholics and/or junkies.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

It isn't "low IQ misinformation", lol. Politics are pretty cyclical and those cycles happen precisely because each side gets way too comfortable with their bullshit and take it too far to the point where they lose public support/get replaced with something new. There's a reason neocons have been quickly fading out of style since the 2000s. If you're basing it off your experience, you have to realize that you don't have much of it.

1. It is low IQ misinformation. It's stupid stuff that Sargon or Paul Joseph Watson or /pol/tards said.
2. If by Neo-Cons you mean Imperialists then that is still 100% in style. Look how many people support giving weapons to Ukraine or higher gas prices to stick it to Putin.
3. There is some truth that in US 1 party can only hold the presidency for 8 years but that doesn't mean politics reverses automatically. We need real movements to change people's minds on equal pay or women in the workforce or race-mixing or gay marriage or transgenders. Even on this website, many people support the "nice" traps like Blair White, "Well I don't care if someone transitions as long as they don't make me use their pronouns." This mentality is a sign that people are moving further left, not right.

By your own admission, you say you got redpilled after college. You've only been at this for 10-ish years?

I got redpilled on White Nationalism in 2019. I did watch the Unite The Right livestreams but they did a bad job at messaging so I didn't understand the situation.

Again, counterculture movements in academia exist. It takes time for people like that to come out of the woodwork. They're just generally more quiet about it until they aren't. I don't really care what you do, my point is that your argument about "doing my own research" is a cope, and calling arguments against that low IQ is pure projection. You're sabotaging yourself, and people like you sabotaging the movement you supposedly advocate for.

There is no chance of a white nationalism or anti feminist counterculture movement in academia because those people would be fired under the civil rights act or similar workplace discrimination laws.

I don't know how to make you understand this, but good right wing activism is built on focusing on the good optics first and integrating the bad optics later.

Optics, under Fuentes or Anglin, means lying about the fact that you're a Neo-Nazi or Klansman by saying you're an American Nationalist or Christian Conservative so you don't get banned from social media. That's all it ever was.

I don't understand why you're so adamant about the legality of fucking minors (actually I do, I just see it as gross and I don't care about your arguments for it). Making shitty arguments and being arrogant about them turns rational people off.

Minor is a social construct. Teenagers are young adults and if you can't see that then you're clearly feminized.

From everything you've said so far, my impression is that you're just some center right reactionary who thinks the left has gone a little bit too far this time but is willing to tolerate most leftism and will even defend it in the future (e.g. defending non trad age of consent). You're no different from the other right-wingers like Ted Cruz who defend leftist polices like anti-racism or anti-sexism. You don't have the will to fight and you aren't trying to make society more conservative. You're unhappy but willing to settle for just slowing down the left. Am I mistaken?

I can't believe this is how I'm going to start out on here, but here we go.



@BoxerShorts47 I'm genuinely curious: according to the trad mentality, what happens if a women is unable to have children, or having children will result in physical harm to the mother?

Ya, that makes her less womanly.

Another one: what if the mother has a genetic condition (or a family history) that they are likely to pass on to their kids? From what I've gathered, wouldn't this be a similar offense, if not the same, as a white person having a child with a black person? Using your viewpoint, it would be egregious to knowingly taint the genetic pool by creating more weak offspring with unfavorable characteristics who will either not live to have children or choose to make more sickly children themselves.

Ya, that makes her less womanly.