TGWTG Nostalgia Chick / Lindsay Ellis / TheDudette - aka Hotdogs in face girl

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

Self publishing looks more and more appealing every day. At least if you have no writing credits to your name.

Is this a recent thing with the YA scene or literature as a whole? Sounds like in music where obscure artists sue because the biggest hit sounds like one of their songs.

@I Love Beef @Boston Brand since you seem to have an idea on the YA scene, should we be worried for the kids reading it these days since YA lives on fads after some title hits the big jackpot?

Self publishing isn't the way out people think it is - the work involved is CRAZY and the ratio of success to failure is probably even more than Trad publishing. At least with self pub you can mash your face on the keyboard and upload whatever pops up pretty easily.

As for YA: it's actually taken a back seat in the publishing scene I think. A publisher which I may or may not be adjacent to put out a lot of books that were 100% YA, but they are marketed as Adult now. I can't think of any book being released as a "YA" by them for years even though all their covers are still magical teenage girls having adventures. Prior to that, nearly everything was being pushed as YA even if it wasn't.

I suspect making them "Adult" sidesteps the conundrum of making it "Queer" when"Queer" books are not allowed in the children's section, but you gotta chase the Gen Z ROGD bux $$$$ and need it sneakily on the shelf...

 

[Laughingjoke2]

It's also because, for the white men, they usually have something else going for them besides being black/woman/LGBT. The other groups are usually diversity hires who are there to fill a quota, not because their work was good. Even someone like JK Rowling had enough of an appeal to avoid the dreaded cancellation, and was able to double down without suffering any issues because she's too big to fail.

Yes you do have the Moviebob types who are too dumb to understand they've been cancelled, but it's not like he's doing all that well.

I don't agree with most of what comes out of Rowling's mouth except the "Terf" stuff, but I love that now when someone ask me "What's Fuck You Money?" I can just point to Rowling.

 

[Erwin Rotten]

Self publishing isn't the way out people think it is - the work involved is CRAZY and the ratio of success to failure is probably even more than Trad publishing. At least with self pub you can mash your face on the keyboard and upload whatever pops up pretty easily.

As for YA: it's actually taken a back seat in the publishing scene I think. A publisher which I may or may not be adjacent to put out a lot of books that were 100% YA, but they are marketed as Adult now. I can't think of any book being released as a "YA" by them for years even though all their covers are still magical teenage girls having adventures. Prior to that, nearly everything was being pushed as YA even if it wasn't.

I suspect making them "Adult" sidesteps the conundrum of making it "Queer" when"Queer" books are not allowed in the children's section, but you gotta chase the Gen Z ROGD bux $$$$ and need it sneakily on the shelf...

Indie is not easy at all, but for me I think it's better to go the hard way instead of go an easier way that causes you to not only sell your soul but also causes you to depend on the woke crowd for cash.

I'd rather make less and not have to deal with that, especially if what I have to do is basically the same amount of work than if I was trad, just where the trad pub company would tell me what to do and what conventions to go to or book signings or whatever that nonsense is. I guess the only good thing is that they would pay for ads and some marketing, but it's like, we can just do that ourselves and have it as a tax write off anyway.

YA is secretly out of the way. They changed it to LGBT fantasy and "Own Voice", which are both failing horribly but publishers want to push it anyway because the narrative means more than integrity. It's kind of why making that new She-Ra show the way it is was important for Netflix because they aren't doing YA, they want to do YGay, but then hide the fact it's directed at younger people.

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

Indie is not easy at all, but for me I think it's better to go the hard way instead of go an easier way that causes you to not only sell your soul but also causes you to depend on the woke crowd for cash.

I'd rather make less and not have to deal with that, especially if what I have to do is basically the same amount of work than if I was trad, just where the trad pub company would tell me what to do and what conventions to go to or book signings or whatever that nonsense is. I guess the only good thing is that they would pay for ads and some marketing, but it's like, we can just do that ourselves and have it as a tax write off anyway.

YA is secretly out of the way. They changed it to LGBT fantasy and "Own Voice", which are both failing horribly but publishers want to push it anyway because the narrative means more than integrity. It's kind of why making that new She-Ra show the way it is was important for Netflix because they aren't doing YA, they want to do YGay, but then hide the fact it's directed at younger people.

Interestingly #OwnVoices was quietly euthanized last year.

We Need Diverse Books (WNDB) will no longer use the term #OwnVoices to refer to children’s literature or its authors and we have removed mentions of #OwnVoices from previously published blog posts. Moving forward, WNDB will use specific descriptions that authors use for themselves and their characters whenever possible (for example, “Korean American author,” or “autistic protagonist”)

Even the creators realised it was just getting silly by that point, and forcing people to "out" themselves is actually (gasp) dangerous outside of the Twitter safe space. Not every gay teacher flaunts their sexuality in public like they do on Libs Of TikTok.

The new She-Ra ended in 2020, which is a telling date. I suspect there may be less YA Gay going forward - there was a slight shift in perceptions post-pandemic when EVERYONE including normies got online and saw how saturated it was.

I've found personally that I'm fortunately not under any pressure to be woke/whatever because I'm a lower mid-list author. I think if my publisher expected me to churn out a profit or pay off a million dollar advance, then there would be "conversations" to appeal to the Gen Z bloggers. I was asked about making any more characters gay but I said no, and that was that.

 

[I Love Beef]

@I Love Beef @Boston Brand since you seem to have an idea on the YA scene, should we be worried for the kids reading it these days since YA lives on fads after some title hits the big jackpot?

I admit, with everything going on in the world of American politics, from Johnny Depp v Amber Heard and the buyout of Twitter by Elon Musk, wokeshit may take a hit. This is all speculation, but the former is seeing "believe all wahmyn" being shot in the knee because of the lack of any evidence that Amber was ever a victim of domestic abuse, while the woketards are jumping ship like rats off of their safespace barge on Twitter.

Of course, there is the whole thing about schools promoting trooning out and grooming. So we'll have to see.

Speaking of Twitter, how is Lindsay holding up?

 

[Random Internet Person]

Self publishing isn't the way out people think it is - the work involved is CRAZY and the ratio of success to failure is probably even more than Trad publishing. At least with self pub you can mash your face on the keyboard and upload whatever pops up pretty easily.

Indie is not easy at all, but for me I think it's better to go the hard way instead of go an easier way that causes you to not only sell your soul but also causes you to depend on the woke crowd for cash.

I'd rather make less and not have to deal with that, especially if what I have to do is basically the same amount of work than if I was trad, just where the trad pub company would tell me what to do and what conventions to go to or book signings or whatever that nonsense is. I guess the only good thing is that they would pay for ads and some marketing, but it's like, we can just do that ourselves and have it as a tax write off anyway.

I'm not going to say self-publishing is some amazing thing, but I will say that if Lindsay went that avenue, I don't think this book fail would be as spectacular, but that'd require Lindsay to not do something to inflate her ego.

Speaking of Twitter, how is Lindsay holding up?

Still nowhere to be seen on the platform.

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

I'm not going to say self-publishing is some amazing thing, but I will say that if Lindsay went that avenue, I don't think this book fail would be as spectacular, but that'd require Lindsay to not do something to inflate her ego.

Still nowhere to be seen on the platform.

Lindsay could have made a decent amount of cash running a Kickstarter (like Brandon Sanderson) and done her own marketing for the book. Lord knows she had a platform for it.

I'm sort of wondering if the Svengali Agent theory might hold here - if he pushed/gaslit her to release a book that wasn't ready. It would explain why someone who at least has a grasp enough on storytelling conventions to be a popular YouTuber suddenly release something that flies in the face of her expertise.

(I won't say "supposed" expertise, she cleaves fairly close to accepted academic theory with her YT videos so she should have put something out better than this.)

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

I'm sort of wondering if the Svengali Agent theory might hold here - if he pushed/gaslit her to release a book that wasn't ready. It would explain why someone who at least has a grasp enough on storytelling conventions to be a popular YouTuber suddenly release something that flies in the face of her expertise.

Could that be more of a case of her not being able to go from one form of media to another? I know a lot of people like her like to think she's multi tallented but not every singer can act, not every musician can draw and most people can't write.

 

[Jumbo Gay Threat]

I admit, with everything going on in the world of American politics, from Johnny Depp v Amber Heard and the buyout of Twitter by Elon Musk, wokeshit may take a hit. This is all speculation, but the former is seeing "believe all wahmyn" being shot in the knee because of the lack of any evidence that Amber was ever a victim of domestic abuse, while the woketards are jumping ship like rats off of their safespace barge on Twitter.

Of course, there is the whole thing about schools promoting trooning out and grooming. So we'll have to see.

Speaking of Twitter, how is Lindsay holding up?

If Lindsay never got cancelled is there a high chance that she would have been on Twitter tweeting about the Amber vs Depp case? Or better yet would she have been making a whole video just trying to shit on Depp under the guise of “film criticism?”

 

[Random Internet Person]

If Lindsay never got cancelled is there a high chance that she would have been on Twitter tweeting about the Amber vs Depp case? Or better yet would she have been making a whole video just trying to shit on Depp under the guise of “film criticism?”

Probably. But then again, she privated her Pirates of the Carribean video once Depp came out with a lawsuit,.

 

[skykiii]

Part of me feels that the Lindsay Ellis thread is slowly becoming the "this is what's wrong with the big 5 and authortube" thread. I mean, if we don't have one we should, and I do think Lindsay is a great gateway into that rabbit hole. And I think it's a single rabbit hole and not two separate entities because authortube at the top is literally made up of white women and progressive feminist allies who were too radical to get accepted into the big 5 and so they go indie, or they are Lindsay and get into the big 5 but act as if they were indie anyway with the way it was edited.

Okay, someone else mentioned Yu-Gi-Oh and here you are talking about "the Big 5." Is real life becoming an anime?

(Also, what does "Big 5" mean in real life? Cuz I somehow doubt Lindsay Ellis invests in Kaibacorp... although I'd almost love to see someone's artistic interpretation of that).

 

[Random Internet Person]

Okay, someone else mentioned Yu-Gi-Oh and here you are talking about "the Big 5." Is real life becoming an anime?

(Also, what does "Big 5" mean in real life? Cuz I somehow doubt Lindsay Ellis invests in Kaibacorp... although I'd almost love to see someone's artistic interpretation of that).

The Big 5 is I believe five major publishing houses that dominate the industry. Ask @Boston Brand sometime.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Lindsay could have made a decent amount of cash running a Kickstarter (like Brandon Sanderson) and done her own marketing for the book. Lord knows she had a platform for it.

Yes, but she's fat and lazy. Remember she expected her publisher to do the heavy lifting on book 1 (did she do a book tour? I don't think she ever left her wine cellar) and half-assedly tried to promote book 2 once it was clear they weren't going to throw good money after bad.

I'm sort of wondering if the Svengali Agent theory might hold here - if he pushed/gaslit her to release a book that wasn't ready. It would explain why someone who at least has a grasp enough on storytelling conventions to be a popular YouTuber suddenly release something that flies in the face of her expertise.

Not buying it- even if her agent is a complete fuckup (possible, since he took on a TGWTG alum) I doubt he could force the publisher to go live with an unedited, unfinished product. Most likely he, along with everyone else involved, thought they could sell the book on her name alone and chose to go ahead in spite of the quality.

They chose... poorly.

 

[Erwin Rotten]

Okay, someone else mentioned Yu-Gi-Oh and here you are talking about "the Big 5." Is real life becoming an anime?

(Also, what does "Big 5" mean in real life? Cuz I somehow doubt Lindsay Ellis invests in Kaibacorp... although I'd almost love to see someone's artistic interpretation of that).

I'm glad you caught the reference, because that's why I mentioned Yu-Gi-Oh lol

The big 5 are the top 5 publishing corporations that pretty much crap out everything that gets turned into a movie. Penguin/Random House, Hachette Book Group, Harper Collins, Simon and Schuster and then Macmillan(who owns St. Martin, Lindsay's publisher).

Pretty much whenever you see book trends going into the shitter, or if you wonder "how the hell did this person get a book deal when they can't write for beans?" you can thank the big 5.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

If Lindsay never got cancelled is there a high chance that she would have been on Twitter tweeting about the Amber vs Depp case? Or better yet would she have been making a whole video just trying to shit on Depp under the guise of “film criticism?”

As mentioned, she shit all over him at the end of her Pirates video. She might have done another video on JK Rowling with the new Fantastic Beasts movie coming out, using it as an excuse to shit on Depp again.

Yes, but she's fat and lazy. Remember she expected her publisher to do the heavy lifting on book 1 (did she do a book tour? I don't think she ever left her wine cellar) and half-assedly tried to promote book 2 once it was clear they weren't going to throw good money after bad.

Well it was during the quarantine so it makes sense they wouldn't do a tour, but yes she barely did anything to promote the first book.

She could have kickstarted her own movie if she didn't want to work in Hollywood, or even another documentary, one that she would actually own. But that would require effort on her part. Plus, she still has to deal with the stigma of *gasp* self-publishing instead of a corporation declaring her worthy of being shared with the world.

 

[Bob Loblaw Law Blog]

wonder if she would still be on heard's side

 

[teriyakiburns]

wonder if she would still be on heard's side

Anyone who still supports Heard at this point has to be so far up their own backside that they can tongue their own tonsils from behind.

So, of course she would.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Well it was during the quarantine so it makes sense they wouldn't do a tour, but yes she barely did anything to promote the first book.

She could have kickstarted her own movie if she didn't want to work in Hollywood, or even another documentary, one that she would actually own. But that would require effort on her part. Plus, she still has to deal with the stigma of *gasp* self-publishing instead of a corporation declaring her worthy of being shared with the world.

Wonder who’s got the bigger issues with ego problems: Lindsay or Linkara.

 

[Cisna H. Scumale]

Wonder who’s got the bigger issues with ego problems: Lindsay or Linkara.

I don't pay attention to Linkara but can he do any worse than a rich white women quitting the internet and content creation because people accuse her of being an idiot to Asian storytelling.

 

[CWCissey]

I don't pay attention to Linkara but can he do any worse than a rich white women quitting the internet and content creation because people accuse her of being an idiot to Asian storytelling.

Being outed as a deviant, having to do a livestream to pay his taxes, getting railroaded into marriage with a dominating fan who also took his money to pay off her debts, being with a tranny, and the tranny comes out looking better at the end of it, getting reamed by Oney and showing he can't laugh at himself.