Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Based Boy]

I don't know, have snipers kill both protesters and police officers to make the violence spiral out of control and put Kiev under martial law to prevent a coup?

I was thinking only CIA glowniggers were capable of something like that.

The fuck does that mean? As mentioned earlier in the thread, the Minsk agreements did not give DPR sovereign nation status.

DPR/LPR were allowed to station their own troops and defend themself and their own territory if needs be after Minsk-II was signed.

Spoiler: Maps

Here is a shitty map from Wikipedia that shows general lines of territories under each side control after Minsk-II takes effect and semi-demilitarized zone.

It is a good map to view general situation, but it does not show where Debaltseve is and overall inaccurate. I tried to pinpoint where Debaltseve would be by imposing real maps, but they are not comparable, sadly. I pointed out general area where Debaltseve could be by compering road system, administrative borders of LPR/DNR on a real map and calculating general distance from Donetsk and Luhansk to Debaltseve, but it is in no way an accurate representation. Red dot pinpoint where Debaltseve would most likely be, in my opinion.
Here is a map from Geopolitical Monitor.

It has Debaltseve on the map, but put far away from administrative borders which, in close up of the real map you would be able to see, is not correct. There are the same problems as with Wiki map, but even less things for comparison with the real map. I suppose this one openly favors Ukraine.
And here are the real map and close up on Debaltseve (screenshots taken from DuckDuckGo maps, so you can take a look there, if you wish):

From what i can understand, the whole problem with Debaltseve was improper demarcation, which led to both sides believing that Debaltseve was rightfully theirs and other side had no right to ether attack(in case of Ukraine) or be stationed there(in case of DPR/LPR).
If you can find map that was proposed in Minsk-II i would be truly grateful. I could not find it myself, for whatever reason.

Yeah, if you send troops to seize control of territory, that's an hostile action.
It's not about humanitarianism, you can't be an absolute asshole to your neighbors and expect them to do you favors.

But aren't Ukraine claims to possess Crimea? What benefit it gives to them to fuck over their own citizens?
I don't mind them giving another reason for the invasion. And solidification of pro-Russian sentiment in Crimea in response to their actions.

Starting a war over the fact that in the future a neighboring nation might become impossible to invade just makes the Russian state look neurotic.

Not starting a war over the fact that in the future a neighboring nation will have on it's territory at least tactical nuclear weapons, modern anti-missile defense systems and military bases of your geopolitical rival when you can get away with it makes Russian state look both weak and stupid.
If Ukraine did not want it to happen, then they should have stayed neutral. Or at least go about it in secret.

Can you do me a favor and look up how many NATO members actually have nuclear silos? How many exist in the Baltic states? How many will be built in Finland once they join?
Can you do me another favor and actually explain what fucking difference does it make to have nuclear silos in Ukraine when missiles coming over the Arctic, bombers and submarines are more than enough for mutually assured destruction and launching from Ukrainian territory doesn't add to first strike capabilities in any way?

Why ask those things if you perfectly understand them yourself?
It does add to first strike capabilities on strategic air force base of Engels and on strategic rocket force bases of Tatishchevo, Kozelsk, Yoshkar-Ola and Teykovo. Plus first attack on command centers. Also, by joining NATO Ukraine will become a host to US anti-missile systems, which will further diminish Russian nuclear strike capabilities. Also would lead to inability to effectively project power into Black Sea, which will lead to nuclear submarines staying there unopposed.

 

[Pаzuzu]

Some posts claim this is the mother but I doubt it.
I couldn't find the account myself but it would be interesting anyway to have a look at her posts.

That's not her, it was debunked pretty fast.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

The business card of a dead "fascist" from the Right Sector.

Oh my God. It even has a watermark.

 

[UVB-76]

But aren't Ukraine claims to possess Crimea? What benefit it gives to them to fuck over their own citizens?

You can't both claim that Crimeans are True and Honest Russian citizens and also accuse Ukraine of fucking over their own citizens. Pick one and stick with it.
If you're going to admit that Russia was in the wrong and the instigators of the conflict for the sake of scoring an own against the Ukies by calling them assholes, I'll take it. If you're going to claim that the seizure of Crimea was legitimate then Ukraine didn't do anything wrong.

Not starting a war over the fact that in the future a neighboring nation will have on it's territory at least tactical nuclear weapons

[citation sneeded]

modern anti-missile defense systems

Attacking other nations over DEFENSIVE systems is peak schizo.

it makes Russian state look both weak and stupid.

Yeah. Should have thought about that before pissing off all those neighboring countries.

If Ukraine did not want it to happen, then they should have stayed neutral.

Turns out Russia has the right to take Ukraine's lunch money any time it wants, unopposed.
The demand for "neutrality" is a demand for Ukraine to kneecap itself and actually not be neutral at all by being forced to depend on Russia as they'd have to reject assistance from anyone else.
Russia's demand for neutrality is no different than the mafia telling you it would be awful if "something" happened to your business.

Also, by joining NATO Ukraine will become a host to US anti-missile systems, which will further diminish Russian nuclear strike capabilities. Also would lead to inability to effectively project power into Black Sea, which will lead to nuclear submarines staying there unopposed.

"Waaaa I pissed off so many countries that they want a defensive system so that I can't threaten to use nukes"
Is this the best we got against globohomo? A nation sperging out because "HATO stole my friends!"?
If any other country that spent decades flexing their STRONK status petered out, hinged on their military power perception to bully others but got bruised in a month of open conflict, pissed off a significant portion of its neighbors to the point they join an alliance to deter invasion, shotgunned a flurry of baffling excuses at its own citizens to justify the operation, etc etc etc they'd be laughed at by the people on any side.
But because it's Russia and Putin rides bears while shirtless, this mentally ill jealous ex mindset is excused away. Any slight inconvinience is betrayal. Any attempt to seek shelter is a threat.
Even if I entertain the notion that NATO is actually planning to take over Russia through Ukraine and Putin's actions are justified, it still just makes it seem like Putin has lost that game of chess and needed to flip the table and change the game being played as a last resort. Russia is not a good hard counter against globohomo nor are they fighting for my freedom. So why the fuck should I sympathize with the Russian government not being able to handle the consequences of their own actions? If they wanted to be in a better position they should have done better. Simple as.

 

[Sneed's Feed And Seed]

He should chill out and watch a movie
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I was thinking more along the lines of

 

[White_N]

Police at a checkpoint in Transnistria.

Kharkiv

Irpen

You can't both claim that Crimeans are True and Honest Russian citizens and also accuse Ukraine of fucking over their own citizens

It wasn't his claim but the claim of the Ukrainian government. You should question them on why they claimed that the residents of Crymea are true and honest Ukrainians while also cutting off their water supply.

demand for Ukraine to kneecap itself and actually not be neutral at all by being forced to depend on Russia

as they'd have to reject assistance from anyone else.

Like the EU?
This is a retarded take. Other neighboring countries around Russia are fine trading with others and somehow managing without placing "defensive weapons" on their soil.

Russia's demand for neutrality is no different than the mafia telling you it would be awful if "something" happened to your business.

This is a self-righteous, Twitter-like take if I ever saw one.
Will the mafia give you favorable deals on resource trade and even forgive your debts? If so, I would like to talk to such a mafia. They sound rather nice.

 

[DumbDude42]

Did Theodore Roosevelt win great victories against the Nazis?

Heads of State in any war serve three functions. Starting the war, rallying the country to fight the war, and ending the war. They don't fight the war, and they certainly don't direct the thing beyond really meta objectives.

Zelensky gets props because if he had fled, the war would have ended on the first day. He also gets props for knowing a comedian doesn't know Jack shit about fighting a military campaign and he's letting his generals do the job.

zelensky mostly gets respect because basically the entire world thought of him as a corrupt opportunist, a puppet of oligarchs, someone who's in politics to enrich himself. the expectation was for him to either bail out and flee the country, or immediately surrender it to the russians in a deal that saves his own skin (and wealth)

so when he instead chose to stand and fight it was a massive positive surprise for everybody. and when you look at the big picture, touring through the international media and trying to drum up as much western support for ukraine as he possible can is objectively the best thing he can do to help the war effort. cause lets be real, what else can a civilian head of state do during war, except play the propaganda and diplomacy game? not much.

 

[kuuu]

More of Chechens having fun.
Screaming literally goes from "Allahu Akbar" to "WAAAARGH".

 

[Based Boy]

You can't both claim that Crimeans are True and Honest Russian citizens and also accuse Ukraine of fucking over their own citizens. Pick one and stick with it.
If you're going to admit that Russia was in the wrong and the instigators of the conflict for the sake of scoring an own against the Ukies by calling them assholes, I'll take it. If you're going to claim that the seizure of Crimea was legitimate then Ukraine didn't do anything wrong.

When did i claim that Crimea is Russian? For Ukraine Crimea is just under foreign occupation, that's all.
Which one of those do you view as true? Do you accept the fact that Crimea has became Russian and Ukraine can go out of it's way to fuck around with it's water supply or does Ukraine simply cutting water to it's own citizens just because they are under illegal occupation by a foreign power?

[citation sneeded]

Every nuclear carrying bomber is potential tactical nuclear weapon(At least for the purposes of START every operating nuclear capable bomber counts as a nuclear weapon, if i read it correctly). Or do you have a guaranty that US will not put it's bombers there? Or short range missiles?

Attacking other nations over DEFENSIVE systems is peak schizo.

Why shouldn't nuclear power concern itself with enemy anti-missile capabilities? Especially power such as Russia, which only claim to fame in the last 30 years was it nuclear arsenal.

Yeah. Should have thought about that before pissing off all those neighboring countries.

Even more of a reason to decimate Ukraine before it can join the block of "pissed off neighbors".

Turns out Russia has the right to take Ukraine's lunch money any time it wants, unopposed.
The demand for "neutrality" is a demand for Ukraine to kneecap itself and actually not be neutral at all by being forced to depend on Russia as they'd have to reject assistance from anyone else.
Russia's demand for neutrality is no different than the mafia telling you it would be awful if "something" happened to your business.

What are you even talking about here? Neutrality would not mean taking only Russian deals or anything of that kind. They are free to join EU if they want. The only thing it means is that they are not allowed to station foreign bases inside it's territory and join any military block. Or was there something i missed?

"Waaaa I pissed off so many countries that they want a defensive system so that I can't threaten to use nukes"
Is this the best we got against globohomo? A nation sperging out because "HATO stole my friends!"?
If any other country that spent decades flexing their STRONK status petered out, hinged on their military power perception to bully others but got bruised in a month of open conflict, pissed off a significant portion of its neighbors to the point they join an alliance to deter invasion, shotgunned a flurry of baffling excuses at its own citizens to justify the operation, etc etc etc they'd be laughed at by the people on any side.
But because it's Russia and Putin rides bears while shirtless, this mentally ill jealous ex mindset is excused away. Any slight inconvinience is betrayal. Any attempt to seek shelter is a threat.
Even if I entertain the notion that NATO is actually planning to take over Russia through Ukraine and Putin's actions are justified, it still just makes it seem like Putin has lost that game of chess and needed to flip the table and change the game being played as a last resort. Russia is not a good hard counter against globohomo nor are they fighting for my freedom. So why the fuck should I sympathize with the Russian government not being able to handle the consequences of their own actions? If they wanted to be in a better position they should have done better. Simple as.

You shouldn't sympathize with Russia. If you don't want it, that is. Your nation have it's own interests. I just want you to understand Russian position on this issue, nothing more.

 

[Garm]

This "rules for thee" shit is seriously baffling. Either we are playing by the rules of engatement, and then confiscating Russia's gold reserve and nationalizing its properties are not okay, or we are not playing by the rules and it's Economic World War One where anything goes. The West chose the latter and is now surprised Pikachu facing hard.

Most people learn that punching someone gets you a punch in return long before kindergarten.

And before people try to gotcha me with a "haw haw Russia attacked first suck it vatnik", I'd like to point out the concept of proportional response exists for a reason. Yes, attacking Ukraine was a retarded dick move. No, it was not sufficient reason to send the entire world order tumbling down on our heads, and by "our" I do not mean myself and my countrymen. The ripples and aftershocks will make it worse for everybody.

As I explained earlier America is a passive aggressive cunt on foreign policy. The American public has the memory span of a goldfish and still hasn't grasped the concept of gaslighting.

Basically America sets up situations where it can act like the victim and anything we do is thereby justified.

If this aid package gets through congress (which it will) then the US will have authorized $47B in Aid to Ukraine since February 24th. The War has been going on for 63 days meaning that retroactively the US has spent around $746M a day on the war.
For context the Iraq War (8 years, 8 months, 26 days) cost approximately $2T ($1.922T specifically but whatever)
According to this twitter account (https://twitter.com/nationaldebt) the U.S National Debt was as of April 26th of this year $30,436,599,006,622.81. The U.S hit the milestone of $30,000,000,000,000.00 on February 1st, 2022.

Also no fucking way the package lasts until September, _elenskyy will be crying for more money by mid May.

"The Ukraine is winning" sounds a lot more hollow when you realize we keep sending money in ever increasing amounts to Ukraine.

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The conflict has escalated. Russian war dolphines have been deployed.

Didn't the Washington Post claim that Russia had trained sharks at the peak of Russiagate?

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Fresh cope just dropped. Since it's looking increasingly unlikely that Russia will declare victory/give up/run out of ammo and supplies on May 9th as has been previously claimed, the pro-Ukrainoids need a new prediction. This time it's that the Russian army will collapse and that Putin will be coup'd by the end of May . Saying that they've failed in the east because they haven't done some undefined "bold maneuver" is just laughably retarded. So is the claim that Ukraine is going to counter attack.

It's not really talked about much but it's been my opinion for a while now that the AFU is almost completely immobilized. Russia has been prioritizing strikes on fuel and oil facilities for weeks now, and while we don't know exact numbers we know they've struck other military facilities housing vehicles or vehicle repair facilities. We aren't seeing any evidence of big troop movements to reinforce the east, or to set up a counter attack in the south, or any movement beyond very localized counter attacks with seemingly few troops.

I don't think they have the vehicles and/or fuel to move the number of troops needed to perform an effective counter, and I think the AFU troops in the east are more or less stuck in their defensive positions until they're inevitably raped to death by arty shells.

I think Ukraine has actually instituted fuel rationing. (WGN had a Washington Post reporter on who made that claim.)

Point is that you are probably right. Ukraine is running out of resources very quickly.

Apparently the Russians unfurled the USSR Victory Banner off the ISS.

https://t.me/intelslava/27206

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"You can't put that up."
"Pfft. You go outside and take it down then."

 

[Wy4M]

Translation is so-so but good enough to understand what is going on:
"Survival of Ukrainian fascists over Russian boys. I hope that they are alive and that the time will come when all fans of Ukrainian fascism will ask to hide under the stone, because they will have nowhere to go."

https://twitter.com/vlad_gledalac/status/1520195249271885824

https://archive.ph/eGnZw

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It wouldn't surprise me if this guy is just sitting at home (Canada?) pretending he's in Ukraine.
It seems that he only reposts vids from other accounts and the pics he posts from himself seem to be taken inside or from his garden.

https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/status/1520127823826071554

https://archive.ph/lOLNE

He also pretends to hunt Russians at night with his tomahawk.

https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/status/1520024748461375488

https://archive.ph/rItRg

He once posted a pic that he also uses as his profile pic; next to it is the same pic after I played a bit with the contrast/highlight levels.
It also seems to be taken inside: Edit - probably taken outside

https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/status/1518426469491523591

https://archive.ph/cWYqP

At night the silent assassin sneaks behind enemy lines to kill some Russians with his tomahawk and then tweets about it.
When will there be a book? a movie?

 

[White_N]

The Ukrainians staged a standard singing of mournful songs in Krakow, but this time they did not sing the anthem of Ukraine, but the song "Chervona Kalina".

To their misfortune, there was a person among the audience who knew history. He also told a group of Jews listening to the song that this song was used as the anthem of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army(UPA).

After the Jews listened to the historical background, they answered: "We don't love Ukraine anymore."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

 

[khronosschoty]

There's still many millions of young American males who can pass the physical, and many many millions more who could after spending 2-3 months in a training camp being forced to actually eat right and exercise

I don't necessarily disagree with the whole of what you said, but the idea that military training camp includes eating right is laughable.

 

[DumbDude42]

The Ukrainians staged a standard singing of mournful songs in Krakow, but this time they did not sing the anthem of Ukraine, but the song "Chervona Kalina".

To their misfortune, there was a person among the audience who knew history. He also told a group of Jews listening to the song that this song was used as the anthem of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army(UPA).

After the Jews listened to the historical background, they answered: "We don't love Ukraine anymore."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia
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unironic fake news, in the literal sense of the word

the song in question dates back to the first world war, to a unit of ukrainian soldiers who fought in the austrian army against the russian empire, hoping to establish an independent ukraine through the war, which briefly succeeded, but got overrun by the red army after the central powers were defeated by the western allies. commies then banned it for the next 70 years because ukies singing songs about casting off the shackles of moscow made the russians very butthurt lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oi_u_luzi_chervona_kalyna

in contrast, the OUN/UPA anthem was this song, made in the 1930s in the parts of ukraine that were then under polish rule:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists

 

[cistendered]

This is the first official report of fuel shortages in western media I've seen. Don't worry Ukrainians! Z-man will magically come up with a new system to import mass quantities of fuel from Western Europe in a week, 2 weeks tops. The nice thing about this new system, which Shelinskuijye came up with at 3am after honking up an 8-ball, is that it will be impervious to the same Russian air strikes that crippled the fuel supply in the first place.

Oi vey! We found a new mass grave with 900 million dead babies in it and the mobile crematoriums were running 24/7 to try and hide it and also all the babies were raped.

Oops, I misspoke. We didn't find a 900 person mass grave, easy mistake to make. Since 6 million have died in the hoholocaust already what's an extra thousand here and there?

 

[kuuu]

Khust, Zakarpatska province. Territory that borders Hungary.
Military commissariat.
Protests against mobilization.

https://t.me/opersvodki/4112

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Few more details came up:
Supposedly local territorial guard gets sent to the frontlines lacking proper equipment.

 

[CaesarCzech]

unironic fake news, in the literal sense of the word

the song in question dates back to the first world war, to a unit of ukrainian soldiers who fought in the austrian army against the russian empire, hoping to establish an independent ukraine through the war, which briefly succeeded, but got overrun by the red army after the central powers were defeated by the western allies. commies then banned it for the next 70 years because ukies singing songs about casting off the shackles of moscow made the russians very butthurt lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oi_u_luzi_chervona_kalyna

in contrast, the OUN/UPA anthem was this song, made in the 1930s in the parts of ukraine that were then under polish rule:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists

Turns out Neolibs arent the only who can do propaganda, taking advantage of Jews Narcisism was very good move for this covert Russian symphatizer.

 

[CaesarCzech]

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This is the first official report of fuel shortages in western media I've seen. Don't worry Ukrainians! Z-man will magically come up with a new system to import mass quantities of fuel from Western Europe in a week, 2 weeks tops. The nice thing about this new system, which Shelinskuijye came up with at 3am after honking up an 8-ball, is that it will be impervious to the same Russian air strikes that crippled the fuel supply in the first place.

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Oi vey! We found a new mass grave with 900 million dead babies in it and the mobile crematoriums were running 24/7 to try and hide it and also all the babies were raped.
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Oops, I misspoke. We didn't find a 900 person mass grave, easy mistake to make. Since 6 million have died in the hoholocaust already what's an extra thousand here and there?

It seems like Putin is switching to ensure Ukraine is wasteland that will take decades of rebuilding to be useful to West.

 

[White_N]

unironic fake news, in the literal sense of the word

the song in question dates back to the first world war, to a unit of ukrainian soldiers who fought in the austrian army against the russian empire, hoping to establish an independent ukraine through the war, which briefly succeeded, but got overrun by the red army after the central powers were defeated by the western allies. commies then banned it for the next 70 years because ukies singing songs about casting off the shackles of moscow made the russians very butthurt lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oi_u_luzi_chervona_kalyna

And the swastika is a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions with thousands of years of history.

in contrast, the OUN/UPA anthem was this song, made in the 1930s in the parts of ukraine that were then under polish rule:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists

And that means... what exactly?



From the Ukrainian Wikipedia.

The anthem of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army was called the "March of Ukrainian Nationalists", also known as "we were born in the great hour" (in Ukrainian: Born in the Great Year). The song, written by Olesem Babiy, was officially adopted by the leadership of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists in 1932.

The UPA considered itself the successor of the Ukrainian Sich Streltsy, whose anthem was "Chervona Kalina". The founders of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists were the leaders of the OSS Evgeny Konovalets and Andrey Melnik. For this reason, the "Chervona Kalina" was often used by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army.

March—"Chervona Kalina"

 

[Mr Processor]

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This is the first official report of fuel shortages in western media I've seen. Don't worry Ukrainians! Z-man will magically come up with a new system to import mass quantities of fuel from Western Europe in a week, 2 weeks tops. The nice thing about this new system, which Shelinskuijye came up with at 3am after honking up an 8-ball, is that it will be impervious to the same Russian air strikes that crippled the fuel supply in the first place.

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Oi vey! We found a new mass grave with 900 million dead babies in it and the mobile crematoriums were running 24/7 to try and hide it and also all the babies were raped.
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Oops, I misspoke. We didn't find a 900 person mass grave, easy mistake to make. Since 6 million have died in the hoholocaust already what's an extra thousand here and there?

This cover has so many uses now. Really time has done us all a service by publishing it.