Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[mr.moon1488]

Lol good lord, the Ukie fags went straight schizo yesterday itt.

 

[KiwiSeperatist]

le russians fucking ukrainians in ass with the sex toy grad

 

[White_N]

Mariupol. Routine.


About 50 people lived in these basements.People lived like this for 54 days. According to the residents of this house, the fighting around them ended on the 15th.

Patrick Lancaster and civilians under shelling

 

[White_N]

Some interviews with people who arrived from Azovstal and the surrounding area.

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About 300 civilians can stay on the territory of "Azovstal" and nearby, said a resident of Mariupol, who came out of the neighborhoods adjacent to the plant.
According to them, they are not informed about the opening of humanitarian corridors, so they had to flee the city on their own.

One of the civilians said that the militants from the Azovstal plant had not been allowed to evacuate since the beginning of hostilities. It turned out that a group of civilians who managed to get out — came out by themselves on organized humanitarian corridors from residential buildings adjacent to the plant.

The girl with her father was with her father at Azovstal on March 2. A couple of days later, the nationalists closed the exit from the territory of the enterprise. However, they still managed to get out due to the fact that their father knew Azovstal well, since he had been working there for a long time.

"It was very difficult. We, in particular, were led by my father, as he is a long-time employee there. He led us through the workshop under the houses, "the girl noted."

The woman says that she has been in Azovstal since February 25, and that they were not informed about the silence regime and evacuation was not carried out. They had to get out there on their own.

Again, they say that the military intimidated people hiding in Azovstal.
They say that there are about 48 civilians left in Azovstal, most of them unable to walk, and those who can do so do not leave their relatives behind.

 

[Based Boy]

I'm not saying Russia should give up any advantage. I'm saying that first strikes are unthinkable. Look, American anti-missile defenses are Good™. The problem is, when it comes to nukes "good" doesn't cut it. The guys in charge estimate that they'd need to launch two interceptors for every warhead to make up for failures. In case of a real war, there would be warheads coming through.
It is definitely a problem for America, because it's completely unsustainable to buy two interceptor vehicles for every Russian warhead plus spares.

Yet Russia still needs to prepare for war as a matter of national security. If that was not the case, and nuclear war meant certain doom and there was no way to protect yourself from it, then US would not spend money on anti-nuclear defense systems. It might seem unreasonable now, but there is no telling what capabilities US and NATO would have even in a 10 years from now.

Yeah, at hypersonic velocities that's not happening. There's a difference between changing trajectory to spoil a defensive vehicle launch, and actually trying to jink. The G forces and atmospheric heating make jinking near impossible and the hypersonic vehicle could need dozens of miles to make a turn.
I think a lot of people are falling for purposefully misleading propaganda. Atmosphere skimming and large turns make interception of warheads difficult, but in terms of tactical use of missiles inside the atmosphere the hypersonic velocities actually hinder the vehicle's own maneuverability. I think Russia has created a false perception of what hypersonics are actually for to make laymen more impressed.

As long as it can change trajectory it should be enough to throw modern calculation centers off. If it can do that, than this should be enough to bypass anti-missile defenses at least with the higher chance than other methods of delivery.

I don't know which media people have been consuming, but in the 2000s I remember that America evil for the wars, and we're really really racist because all our videogames have Arab or Russian villains. Now people are telling me media always fearmongered about Russia. I remember when Obama sassed Romney about him being afraid of Russia and everyone thought that was amazing. Did I live in a parallel universe?

I don't know what they say in America today in the media outside of Russia bad, no reason for invasion what so ever, we need to help Ukraine to protect Democracy(TM) and Freedom(C), Azov good boys who did not do anything.

That's the neat part! Russia wouldn't engage a NATO member state precisely because of nuclear war. It's called "deterrence".

But would Russia invade Ukraine if it was just guaranteed by NATO instead of being a full-fledged member?

An unilateral guarantee of independence doesn't mean much when Putin doesn't want Ukraine to be part of Russia, just elect pro-Russian politicians.

First you say that guaranties can't protect Ukraine from second Russian invasion, then you say that neutral Ukraine would be nothing more than Russian economic puppet and now you say that people might vote wrong if Ukraine would be neutral? I don't care if Ukraine will become international hub for election observers with the most secure elections in the world, if they want it. I don't care if they would elect the most pro-Western, gayest man in existence or the most corrupt vatanigger that graced this Earth. What i care about is that they add 2 points in there constitution that states 1. Can not be a member of military block 2. Can not station military bases of foreign powers on it's territory.

A guarantee of independence doesn't mean much when Russia will also guarantee independence to self-proclaimed republics inside Ukrainian territory.

Oh, but there would be no need to think about other republics inside Ukraine if they would sign a peace deal in a timely manner. Now Russia would take what it wants by force. There will be no independent republics inside of Ukraine after peace deal is signed, because they ether would be part of Russia or part of Novorossia. Granted, conflict can be frozen in time if Russians can't preform well enough and those issues would never truly be resolved in a foreseeable future.

The thing about NATO is that you don't want to test their resolve. If there's a button that gives you a winning lottery ticket but pressing it has a 10% chance of killing you, most people would not press it. Even if the chances of NATO working as intended are slim, the consequences are so serious that no amount of risk is negligible.

That is true, yet why can't NATO deescalate the situation? Why go full hog on memberships when you can just guaranty nations? This is what i don't understand.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

Pelosi and a few other congress critters went to Europe today to see Zelensky. They apparently made some sort of comment that the US is going to be "with you until the fight is done" or some such:

 

[cistendered]

Serbian power anthem "My Dad is a War Criminal", updated for 2022. косово је српско. украјина је руска.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

Pelosi and a few other congress critters went to Europe today to see Zelensky. They apparently made some sort of comment that the US is going to be "with you until the fight is done" or some such:

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Pelosi having to kneel so as to not look taller than Zelensky, kek. Also Adam "Ukraine fights Russia over there so we don't fight them over here" Schiff in the background.

 

[mindlessobserver]

@Bananadana

 

[Jarolleon]

Terekhov: "They came here ( Russians), they don't understand what a toilet is… Our broken cities look better than theirs! "

This is the official position of the government. Cool
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That joke has been around since the Third Reich, back then they said the Russian soldiers were stealing faucets, expecting them to produce water once set up at home.

 

[Wood]

Spoiler: Some tangential stuff re energy prices from Slovakia

Our dear Ministry of Economy published some very useful advice for us on how to cope with increasing energy prices.



(machine translated)
HOW TO SAVE IN THE KITCHEN
"The cheapest energy is the unused one, because we don't even have to produce it," says Secretary Karol Galek. At this difficult time, when the Russian aggression has sharply raised energy prices, making other items in the family budget indirectly more expensive, every euro saved counts. For example, in the kitchen we can save on cooking, baking, but also storing things in the refrigerator and freezer. The Office for the Regulation of Network Industries has come up with interesting details on how each of us can save energy. See report below



I don't think people understand the gravity of the situation. Some choice responses:

> And when you wash your feet, you also wash your hands

> I thought I lived in 21st century Europe and not in sub-Saharan Africa.

> Don't flush the toilet, I'll shit too.

> If this people don't know what kind of unqualified "experts" in that parliament, then I don't know… liberals - it's best not to cook, and when you walk around a meadow, go graze the grass there. Save and in addition you will be "eco" "bio" "raw" and I don't know what else. And when you feel hungry, - it just seems to you, it's not like that. Convince yourself it's just a hoax. Then you can go vaccinated 15 times and be happy to vote for this government again and kick and yell at others just because they have a different opinion.

> I would ask for information on what kind of marijuana you get there, or contact the dealer, I would also be interested in something similar so that I could present such wisdom.
Thank you very much

> We are already waiting when you recommend us to breathe less

> I recommend that you pack up and flee to those purchased properties abroad that you have bought for our taxes as quickly as possible in 2 years .... Because the Slovak nation will drive you out of here with pitchforks.

 

[Lookie-lou]

wtf is happening to youtube? so much copium ghost of kyiv shit is being posted now by big historic war channels, who usually kept a distance from current events before the fog has cleared.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

wtf is happening to youtube? so much copium ghost of kyiv shit is being posted now by big historic war channels, who usually kept a distance from current events before the fog has cleared.

I'm gonna go ahead and assume it's because they want to boost viewer numbers by talking about something popular.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Everything is going according to plan, comrade. And if you say it isn't you're obviously part of the Worldwide Jewish Conspiracy.

I must have missed that in the nearly four-thousand pages of comments between the two threads. Perhaps you could quote said comment.

 

[kuuu]

Spoiler: Some tangential stuff re energy prices from Slovakia

Our dear Ministry of Economy published some very useful advice for us on how to cope with increasing energy prices.

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(machine translated)
HOW TO SAVE IN THE KITCHEN
"The cheapest energy is the unused one, because we don't even have to produce it," says Secretary Karol Galek. At this difficult time, when the Russian aggression has sharply raised energy prices, making other items in the family budget indirectly more expensive, every euro saved counts. For example, in the kitchen we can save on cooking, baking, but also storing things in the refrigerator and freezer. The Office for the Regulation of Network Industries has come up with interesting details on how each of us can save energy. See report below

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I don't think people understand the gravity of the situation. Some choice responses:

> And when you wash your feet, you also wash your hands

> I thought I lived in 21st century Europe and not in sub-Saharan Africa.

> Don't flush the toilet, I'll shit too.

> If this people don't know what kind of unqualified "experts" in that parliament, then I don't know… liberals - it's best not to cook, and when you walk around a meadow, go graze the grass there. Save and in addition you will be "eco" "bio" "raw" and I don't know what else. And when you feel hungry, - it just seems to you, it's not like that. Convince yourself it's just a hoax. Then you can go vaccinated 15 times and be happy to vote for this government again and kick and yell at others just because they have a different opinion.

> I would ask for information on what kind of marijuana you get there, or contact the dealer, I would also be interested in something similar so that I could present such wisdom.
Thank you very much

> We are already waiting when you recommend us to breathe less

> I recommend that you pack up and flee to those purchased properties abroad that you have bought for our taxes as quickly as possible in 2 years .... Because the Slovak nation will drive you out of here with pitchforks.

Counter advice: don't be an anglobe a friendly country to Russia.
But you guys aren't even given an option.

 

[Lookie-lou]

I'm gonna go ahead and assume it's because they want to boost viewer numbers by talking about something popular.

yeah but the time to do that was early march, western interest over it has fizzled hard. I guess you are still right and right or wrong they needed enough news gleaned 'info' to cobble a vid together.

 

[Bananadana]

wtf is happening to youtube? so much copium ghost of kyiv shit is being posted now by big historic war channels who usually kept a distance from current events before the fog has cleared thunking.

This war is a good grift. Posting pro-mainstream war stuff generates lots of interactions from the audience and a gets the e-celebrity a good boy point from the platform.
Its the new "wear your mask and practice social distancing".
The social conditioning of social media censorship has caused people to proactively post pro government propaganda in fear of being suspected of supporting "the enemy" now. Great.

 

[Simpadoo]

So a country not wanting to be a bitch to America is not considered an unfair, hypocritical, and egregious proposition? I don't understand how that doesn't make the USA wrong. A country thousands of miles away being the de facto continental police would not appeal to anyone who is self-sufficient enough to maintain its own military and nuclear arsenal. There is this abstract concept called diplomacy for a reason that isn't to be used for blackmail or unconditional surrenders.

This may be hard to understand, but being uncompromising is seen as unwarranted disrespect when your entire country just collapsed. Saying that Russia can join at any time is misleading at best and malicious at worst. If you want to actually achieve peace, the first step is to get your head out of your rectal cavity. It's the same reason that the dumbass Americans want the complete denuclearization of North Korea even though it isn't the 1990s anymore. You can't expect every country to be subservient if there are differeing militaristic capabilities, that definitely makes America the shithead. The arrogance and incapability of understanding nuance is astounding.


I don't think NATO's presence has subsided western European conflict as much as nuclear war, and the lack of incentive due to a strong economic union. Plenty of Non-NATO members have had peace, including some post soviet states. Not because they were afraid the big bad USA was watching over their every move, but that it is more beneficial to trade with your neighbors as it exponentially increases economic development. In modern day, economies are more important than ever due to the interconnectivity of the world. Technological innovation is key in ensuring your relevance.

Russia did try to join NATO and was rebuffed. Also tried to join the EU and was similarly told to fuck off.

 

[mindlessobserver]

This war is a good grift. Posting pro-mainstream war stuff generates lots of interactions from the audience and a gets the e-celebrity a good boy point from the platform.
Its the new "wear your mask and practice social distancing".
The social conditioning of social media censorship has caused people to proactively post pro government propaganda in fear of being suspected of supporting "the enemy" now. Great.

All the propaganda is pro government though. The only question is which government.

 

[ProfessionalRookie]

So, Vance has already become the "public face of the legion". He showed up and just like that....


Quote : "Malcolm Nance, a Navy intelligence veteran and former TV commentator who is now the public face of the legion"

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/01/world/ukraine-russia-war-news?name=styln-russia-ukraine&region=hub&block=storyline_live_updates_block_recirc&action=click&pgtype=LegacyCollection#foreign-legion-volunteers

Picture of him fighting hard