Theorycraft: Social Justice and Pedophilia

[Jaimas]

Kiwis, I've been doing some research into Social Justice Warriors for some time, surprising nobody remotely familiar with my work on the Wiki. Recently, after the hilarious and darkly fascinating chapter we saw during the ongoing RationalWiki thread, I thought I'd elaborate a bit on the results of my research, and explain why I believe Social Justice created what is, in essence, a perfect storm scenario for Pedophiles trying to push normalization on everyone else.

I didn't want to fag up the RationalWiki thread with this analytical piece (there's too much going on and you don't want to miss any of it, believe me, it's guvking glorious - Dynastia's work alone makes that thing worth checking out), and this goes beyond any one lolcow community, so through process of elimination, I thought I'd plunk my findings down here and we'd get a little discussion going.

Spoiler: My Findings

Those familiar with the Farms' previous encounters with pedophiles, from the horrors of Nick Bate to the numerous Tumblr Pedos we've featured know that Pedophiles have tried to make in-roads anywhere they can for years. From Tumblr to Reddit, from 8chan to 9gag, FurAffinity to DeviantArt, if your site has user-generated content and some level of user control, you will have countless attempts by Pedophiles to use it. If not to share outright CP, then it'll be to share content in the same vein and maybe get that much closer to a child.

It's an inevitability, and one of the costs of running a site that features user-generated content. Most of the time, Pedo content is flagged and removed immediately, and that's a fine thing. In fact, the Pedophiles are so consistent and so aggressive in doing this that it can get to the point that some sites will ban certain content because Pedophiles keep using said content to do an end-run around the system and get a foot in the door. On 4chan, we saw this with Loli; on FurAffinity, this apparently was "cub porn." I learned about that one from @KidKitty, who tends to track furry cows.

Pedophiles will join any site that has user-generated content for the purposes of sharing it, and very often, as we've seen multiple times, will push a pro-Pedophilia agenda once there. They try to normalize it, to make the argument that it's natural, just like homosexuality, and that they can and are upstanding members of the community, but we've all heard this song and dance before. It's the same defense that's been used since time immemorial, and by one group in particular that I can recall.

If you're in the USA, you've heard of NAMBLA, if only from comedians making fun of it, but if you're not, it's a pedophile advocacy group that seeks to abolish age-of-consent laws. Fittingly, almost immediately, NAMBLA became implicated in a number of high-profile criminal incidents; these included members of NAMBLA being caught in sex trafficking, molestation, and worse. NAMBLA originally had small but noted support from other gay and lesbian groups in the USA, but by the 1980s, this was gone as NAMBLA repeatedly got implicated in sex trafficking scandals and at least one murder.

It wasn't long until NAMBLA was being exiled from associating with other gay and lesbian rights groups, but the group didn't really get outright blacklisted until the 90s with the IGLA Controversy, in which the International Gay and Lesbian Association got UN consultative status, had its major ties to NAMBLA (and pedophilia) known, had NAMBLA's ties to criminal behavior likewise known, and subsequently, lost such status. This led to a rare outbreak of common sense in which Jesse Helms demanded a bill to withhold funding from any organization that condoned Pedophilia, a bill that got unanimous approval, for reasons that should be obvious.

All of which brings us to Nyberg and the staggering number of pedophile defenders we keep running into in the same social circles.

This image is spreading in Social Justice circles. It's Photoshopped, obviously.

The natural tendency of Pedophiles is to congregate - both to share content (remember Nyberg's spamming of 12chan links and defending "non-nude model pics") and to find ways to "normalize" their behavior and make it seem like less of a problem. Most sane groups will have nothing to do with them since nobody wants to be associated with someone who potentially fucks children. But in Social Justice, you have people who believe that the ends justify the means, that nothing need be substantiated if the "feels" are strong enough, and, most alarmingly, that anyone in Social Justice is inherently more moral than someone who does not share these views, so they're willing to overlook cronyism for the sake of their overall goals.

That, as we say, is the foot in the door.

This is a dream scenario for Pedophiles. They can find people with mainstream media attention to parrot their talking points and operate pretty much free from persecution so long as they don't get caught fucking children, and all they need to do is scream the virtues of feminism and Social Justice. They can even have a criminal record and Social Justice won't care! Even better, it can lead them to positions of authority where they can then defend their fellow pedophiles (a scenario that is to be avoided at all costs). Moreover, as Salon later proved, very often they can be outright caught trying to meet with a child for sex and modern Neoprogressives will defend you as some paragon of virtue:

Source: This fucking shambles.

I am now convinced that this complete incapacity to go after Pedophiles if they're valued allies of Social Justice is, ultimately, what led to this infestation. Because Social Justice Warriors are loath to criticize their own (since someone who believes as they do is inherently more moral than someone who isn't) and believe that anyone who has a condition that puts them lower on the sliding scale of privilege is inherently less-privileged and thus more valuable, you have pretty much the inevitable happen when these ideologies collide; Pedophilia is now an oppressed minority, and suddenly, things have become hilarious.

Suddenly, you have what we in the lolcow chronicleering community have seen in the last 2 years: case after case after case of a high-profile nutter in Social Justice being a Pedophile, from Sarah Nyberg to Valis99 (Feminist Frequency's former moderator and convicted child molester), HannibaltheVictor (guy who went after Thunderf00t and has a criminal history of sexual assaulting a minor) to Lena Dunham (who molested her younger sister), to the ass clowns recently exposed on RationalWiki. This is only going to get worse as time goes on and more and more of them come out of the woodwork, all of which reminds me of a quote by HP Lovecraft:

Bunch together a group of people deliberately chosen for strong religious feelings, and you have a practical guarantee of dark morbidities expressed in crime, perversion, and insanity.

So what think you, Kiwis? Do you think my analysis is on-the-spot? Do you think there's another reason that Social Justice has such bizarre ongoing ties to pedophilia? As ever, I'm interested in hearing your commentary and insight on the matter.

 

[Vitriol]

In the early days of the tumblr sub I commented that outrage merchants and professional victims rely on having a cause to rail against society for. Having their origins in Marxist thinking such ideologies rely on having an other to blame for the ills in society and a cause to advance in conflict against the other.

This is why Marxism, afrocentrism and some strands of feminism are often grouped together as 'conflict theories'.

For sjws a nebulous 'patriarchy' that supposedly permeates western society is the other that must be fought. It was natural that as women achieved more rights those who were in the movement more for the acquisition of rights than the conflict against patriarchy would 'drop out' as it were. This creates a comparatively more extreme remnant which still viewed itself as in conflict with society and so adopted a new cause against the other. In recent decades it was likely the lgbt rights movement. With gay marriage and wider lgbt acceptance the conflict is reduced therefore sjws look for their next battleground against 'the man'. The obvious candidate is the blm crowd however as blacks have full legal rights for a certain kind of activist they don't provide an easy target to move towards. Campaigning on male issues generally falls down as men are part of the other.

The desire for an 'oppressed' minority who lack specific legal rights who can be campaigned for as part of a wider fight against 'society' means casting an ever wider net. Many sjws have become so caught up in their crusade that continuing the conflict against patriarchy is more important than anything else.

It is from this that we see nonsense like defending pedos as it is a way of challenging a society they view as inherently unjust. For them, continuing the fight against traditional values is more important than reflecting if those values need challenging.

This is why certain extreme right commenter who said that gay rights would lead to campaigning for pedos are being proved right: they identified that there is a radical fringe which is more interested in destroying traditional society and than advancing any particular cause.

Of course where said commentators were wrong imo was in assuming that the public will be swayed by arguments for pedophilia, for the sake of brevity the reasons for this are best left to another thread.

TL;DR sjws defend pedos because they require a reason to 'fight the patriarchy' and post woman's, civil and lgbt rights they are struggling to find movements to latch onto.

So yes, @Jaimas I think your recognition that sjws see pedos as an oppressed minority which then slots into their bingo ideology is correct however I think this has more to do with the nature of their theory than any disinclination to turn on allies; schisms and indeed cronyism generally is a hallmark of cults which is effectively what the radical sjws are.

 

[chimpburgers]

I think this could happen to any movement if the dogma is strong enough and becomes that much of a priority over everything else. What I've noticed is that when you bring someone like Sarah Nyberg to some of these people, they will try to respond with something like "but Milo Yianopoulos has done the same thing and he's an advocate of pedophilia." They won't even address the question just deflect and try to change the topic about their opponents. Some of them are outright not aware of who the hell Sarah Nyberg is or what she has to do with anything and I can find the comments where I saw this happening the other day.

 

[Ruin]

Mostly pretty concise analysis but I'd add in the fact that social justice warriors are deeply suspicious and hostile toward existing social institutions as well as natural contrarians. The logic essentially goes like this.

1- The existing social order is oppressive and bigoted.
2-The existing social order disproves of pedophilia.
3- Therefore pedophiles must be being wrongfully persecuted.

 

[Jaimas]

In the early days of the tumblr sub I commented that outrage merchants and professional victims rely on having a cause to rail against society for. Having their origins in Marxist thinking such ideologies rely on having an other to blame for the ills in society and a cause to advance in conflict against the other.

This is why Marxism, afrocentrism and some strands of feminism are often grouped together as 'conflict theories'.

For sjws a nebulous 'patriarchy' that supposedly permeates western society is the other that must be fought. It was natural that as women achieved more rights those who were in the movement more for the acquisition of rights than the conflict against patriarchy would 'drop out' as it were. This creates a comparatively more extreme remnant which still viewed itself as in conflict with society and so adopted a new cause against the other. In recent decades it was likely the lgbt rights movement. With gay marriage and wider lgbt acceptance the conflict is reduced therefore sjws look for their next battleground against 'the man'. The obvious candidate is the blm crowd however as blacks have full legal rights for a certain kind of activist they don't provide an easy target to move towards. Campaigning on male issues generally falls down as men are part of the other.

The desire for an 'oppressed' minority who lack specific legal rights who can be campaigned for as part of a wider fight against 'society' means casting an ever wider net. Many sjws have become so caught up in their crusade that continuing the conflict against patriarchy is more important than anything else.

It is from this that we see nonsense like defending pedos as it is a way of challenging a society they view as inherently unjust. For them, continuing the fight against traditional values is more important than reflecting if those values need challenging.

This is why certain extreme right commenter who said that gay rights would lead to campaigning for pedos are being proved right: they identified that there is a radical fringe which is more interested in destroying traditional society and than advancing any particular cause.

Of course where said commentators were wrong imo was in assuming that the public will be swayed by arguments for pedophilia, for the sake of brevity the reasons for this are best left to another thread.

TL;DR sjws defend pedos because they require a reason to 'fight the patriarchy' and post woman's, civil and lgbt rights they are struggling to find movements to latch onto.

So yes, @Jaimas I think your recognition that sjws see pedos as an oppressed minority which then slots into their bingo ideology is correct however I think this has more to do with the nature of their theory than any disinclination to turn on allies; schisms and indeed cronyism generally is a hallmark of cults which is effectively what the radical sjws are.

That's actually a very good point. Rather like @Ruin said, the general "society is wrong" angle they play at means they often come up with some truly batshit responses.

I think this could happen to any movement if the dogma is strong enough and becomes that much of a priority over everything else. What I've noticed is that when you bring someone like Sarah Nyberg to some of these people, they will try to respond with something like "but Milo Yianopoulos has done the same thing and he's an advocate of pedophilia." They won't even address the question just deflect and try to change the topic about their opponents. Some of them are outright not aware of who the hell Sarah Nyberg is or what she has to do with anything and I can find the comments where I saw this happening the other day.

That actually was a really common response during the initial Nyberg reveal:

"BUT 8CHAN HAS PEDOPHILES!!" They cried in response.

"So do Reddit and Tumblr. What the fuck does that have to do with Sarah Nyberg being a Pedophile?"

Blocked.

 

[Vitriol]

That's actually a very good point. Rather like @Ruin said, the general "society is wrong" angle they play at means they often come up with some truly batshit responses.

Yeah @Rin is dead on here imo-i think a good practical example is the loveshy forum which is full of people from the opposite side of the spectrum also defending pedos. Just in that case society is run by feminists rather than patriarchs.

 

[Overcast]

The idea of pedophiles gaining power and being able to bail each other out scares me a little frankly. And it's just as scary finding out that these SJW's are associating themselves with them just because of "privilege", "oppression" or whatever bullshit they use to justify their actions.

Maybe I'm being paranoid here, but the fact that these kinds of people are attending our big name colleges, places that create our world's leaders, doesn't sit well with me at all.

 

[Jaimas]

The idea of pedophiles gaining power and being able to bail each other out scares me a little frankly. And it's just as scary finding out that these SJW's are associating themselves with them just because of "privilege", "oppression" or whatever bullshit they use to justify their actions.

Maybe I'm being paranoid here, but the fact that these kinds of people are attending our big name colleges, places that create our world's leaders, doesn't sit well with me at all.

We've seen what happens when they get endemic in positions of authority, too, though I hesitate to cite that example because... Well, it's that example.

 

[Wallace]

Mostly pretty concise analysis but I'd add in the fact that social justice warriors are deeply suspicious and hostile toward existing social institutions as well as natural contrarians. The logic essentially goes like this.

1- The existing social order is oppressive and bigoted.
2-The existing social order disproves of pedophilia.
3- Therefore pedophiles must be being wrongfully persecuted.

Would this line of logic also extend to the tumblr shoplifting community?

 

[Sanae Kochiya]

Like the others said, the problem inherently stems from this fringe need to fight for those that are oppressed, even if they aren't. You'll notice that some of the crazy "progressive" folk that support these guys also talk about how the educational system is bankrupt and how doctors are suppressing knowledge of new age medicine. Also, that shit about cops being pigs.

Don't get me wrong. There is a lot wrong with society. They just feel a need to blindly fire a shotgun at "the system" because they're the morally just crusaders firing for everyone's rights. So long as it's "wrong," it must be actually right. If WW2 was going on today they would probably talk about how we're unfairly criticizing Hitler (Yes Godwin's Law is overused).

As for the whole touchy subject of "social justice" and pedos, I personally believe in advocacy for people's rights to choose their lifestyles so long as the parties can consent. Gays, lesbians, and trannies can consent. Children and animals cannot. The whole consent thing seems to have flown straight out the window and if you talk to any of these crazy people, you'll find those guys who say they "know" that the child or the animal gave full consent by how it looked at you or something.

You know, the whole "she secretly wanted it" bullshit from rape apologists.

 

[AnOminous]

So yes, @Jaimas I think your recognition that sjws see pedos as an oppressed minority which then slots into their bingo ideology is correct however I think this has more to do with the nature of their theory than any disinclination to turn on allies; schisms and indeed cronyism generally is a hallmark of cults which is effectively what the radical sjws are.

I think cronyism and cultic behavior is probably a larger part of this than ideology. After all, there's hardly a more heinous crime of privilege than victimizing a child. They should be virulently opposed to pedophiles instead of protective of them.

You can bet if Sick Nick Nyberg ever showed any signs of problematic ideology, they'd be all over him.

 

[JU 199]

It's just your typical 'us vs them' mentality. Happens to every large group of individuals who become collectively hysterical. Think-

"Nyberg a pedophile? She's one of us so that can't be true. You know what the opposition is like!"

"One of my friends has been accused of pedophilia. It must be wrong since it didn't come from an approved source!"

There's large contingents of people who think like that in every political and religious stripe. It's always been like this.

 

[Dudeofteenage]

I think we should probably stick to criticising SJWs for what they actually do, not for what we think they will probably one day do.

 

[Xerxes IX]

Some of the 8chan pedos are now saying things like "pedo is a slur" they're definitely using the SJW rhetoric to fit their cause to the best of their abilities now.

 

[CWCissey]

The idea of pedophiles gaining power and being able to bail each other out scares me a little frankly. And it's just as scary finding out that these SJW's are associating themselves with them just because of "privilege", "oppression" or whatever bullshit they use to justify their actions.

Maybe I'm being paranoid here, but the fact that these kinds of people are attending our big name colleges, places that create our world's leaders, doesn't sit well with me at all.

Google 'Operation Yewtree'

 

[Jaimas]

Google 'Operation Yewtree'

I was going to make a frank joke about the Catholic Church, but that's a much more recent and well-established example.

 

[Lorento]

Maybe I'm being paranoid here, but the fact that these kinds of people are attending our big name colleges, places that create our world's leaders, doesn't sit well with me at all.

Fortunately, I wouldn't worry too much about. Firstly, I think many people grow out of the edgy Tumblr phase. Secondly the ideology itself is one that cannot obtain power by its very nature. Think about it, these people we mock on these autistic as fuck forums sit on their computers and bitch on Tumblr, they aren't preparing a coup. How many signed that petition to get GTA V banned from Target in Australia? 30,000. Even the most fucked up tumblrina, Vade for example, will not make national news. Why? Because the ideology is effectively an ideology of whining. Those that are brainwashed on tumblr and don't get out in time are taught specifically to NOT do anything productive like actually trying to get elected into national parliaments because they see the system itself as unworkable.

This produces a group of people that shout loudly, but are ultimately impotent because THEY HAVE NO POWER. Sure, we see the stories (Mostly from the Good ol' US of A) about these nutjobs asking monuments to be torn down because of some vague racial history. But ultimately, that's the extent of their power. They are simply a loud pressure group and to top it all off, they are a pressure group that struggles with vicious infighting. With any extreme ideology, there will be rifts over policy. Assuming the next generation even made to a Parliament Building, they'd fall apart instantly because someone wants one pronoun and one wants the other. So there's a good reason to be positive about this bullshit, ultimately it will come to nothing.

In the case of paedophilia and its advocates, it's a fringe movement even for the fringe movement that is Social Justice. Now, paedophilia has been considered awful for most of human history (The Greeks had a whole tutor-pupil sex thing going on but it was more voluntary than rapey, actual child rape was frowned upon) If a politician stood up today and advocated for pedophiles, they would be laughed out of the building. Child molestors are hated so much that other prisoners will attack them! It's like those that would advocate for incest, ultimately human nature is far stronger than the whining of some washed up twenty something blue haired hambeast on Tumblr.

(Sorry if this is large incomprehensible, I've been writing a big essay on Greeks over Christmas.)

 

[AnOminous]

Some of the 8chan pedos are now saying things like "pedo is a slur" they're definitely using the SJW rhetoric to fit their cause to the best of their abilities now.

Pedo is a slur. It's a good example of a slur that needs to exist.

 

[Ravenor]

This whole "Defend the Pedo" phenomena is bizarre and more than a little disgusting, Pedophiles have advocated for themselfs in the past and so that's not too shocking but the way the SJW's and the MRA's (well some of them anyway) are openly advocating it is relatively new, and I wouldn't be shocked to find out that a awful lot of them have some kind of pedophalic tendencies themselfs.

Mostly pretty concise analysis but I'd add in the fact that social justice warriors are deeply suspicious and hostile toward existing social institutions as well as natural contrarians. The logic essentially goes like this.

1- The existing social order is oppressive and bigoted.
2-The existing social order disproves of pedophilia.
3- Therefore pedophiles must be being wrongfully persecuted.

That brings up a excellent point, I am all for fighting inequality and oppression where it's a real issue such as women getting payed less for doing the exact same job as a Man, or the legal system applying the law differently to different people for performing the same crime based on ehtnicity / religion / gender etc but this whole counter culture "Society is bad" has really gotten out of control.

I think it's stemming from the fact that Western Society as a whole is freer than any other culture you care to mention throughout history and has been for a long time without an real challenges to that freedom within living memory some people are subconsciously looking for the bad guy's around the corner, when non are readily on the horizon they make a bogie man from the nearest authority figure available to them and in the 21st century that's the court of public opinion or society at large.

The idea of pedophiles gaining power and being able to bail each other out scares me a little frankly. And it's just as scary finding out that these SJW's are associating themselves with them just because of "privilege", "oppression" or whatever bullshit they use to justify their actions.

Take a look at this if you really want to be scared, some of those supposedly in that dossier are either still active in British Politics in some way or have only just recently retired from public life, and some of the most senior people in parliament knew about this and quietly covered it up. The BBC did this as well with Savil and a few other Celebs who could have been stopped from harming Kids for a very long time.

In cases like this a powerful friend here and there can make a lot of problems "go away", and it's really disgusting and disturbing how far that reach can extend.

Maybe I'm being paranoid here, but the fact that these kinds of people are attending our big name colleges, places that create our world's leaders, doesn't sit well with me at all.

Yea that is true to a extent, however the problem is as I said "powerful friends" sadly Pedos exist at all levels of society, just because your well placed in society doesn't make you more likely to be a pedo it just means your less likely to really face the consequences than some one less well placed.

The SJW's who are attending the big name universities who do go into politics are going to find there carriers very interesting, and is going to make any election fun to watch for years to come, 30 years from now a lot of powerful people are really going to regret that Tumblr blog they ran.

This produces a group of people that shout loudly, but are ultimately impotent because THEY HAVE NO POWER.

Ahuvia Syndrome.

They are simply a loud pressure group and to top it all off, they are a pressure group that struggles with vicious infighting. With any extreme ideology, there will be rifts over policy. Assuming the next generation even made to a Parliament Building, they'd fall apart instantly because someone wants one pronoun and one wants the other. So there's a good reason to be positive about this bullshit, ultimately it will come to nothing.

That's the problem with Social pressure groups though, while they might not get power if they are loud enough and have enough people they can get the ear of people who are in power to try and enact some form of change that group wants to see, for social group it's something they want and for the politician it's votes and a cushy number from the tax payer.

If you want to see what a SJW with even a modicum of power looks like take a gander at Jeremy Corbin, the guys prity much the prototype of SJW political theory and frankly makes me embarrassed to consider myself a labour supporter.

@Jaimas What I think we need to do to craft a working theory of the SJW defenses of Pedophillia is to try and understand where all this started in the first place, I'm not talking about a single event like Nyberg I am talking about how being accepting of one thing became a movement to get everything accepted as normal or OK, and what change in culture caused this to happen in the first place.

I have listened to a rather good podcast (albeit at a rather questionable source) by two rather well respected sociologists about the change in society from that of a Honor Culture to a Victim Culture you can also find the paper here but it does require you to sign up but it's free that could prove to be a starting point.

 

[Holdek]

It kind of makes me think about Allen Ginsberg belonging to NAMBLA. I don't think he was a pedo but just trying to be contrarian (albeit in a distinctly disturbing way). Maybe he was the original proto-SJW? Or maybe he just

Spoiler

did it for the lulz?