Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

Prader Willi is genetic. I think mums all want to believe Katie price was on drugs and that’s why her son is fucked up—but getting pregnant is a gamble and sometimes you end up with a tard.

It being genetic doesn’t preclude her drug use causing or contributing to development of PWS.

PWS is genetic and epigenetic. Ultimately, what is common to every case of PWS is the absence of an expressed paternal copy of the SNORD116 locus. Research has consistently shown the impact of drug abuse on DNA methylation in pregnancy.
 
It being genetic doesn’t preclude her drug use causing or contributing to development of PWS.

PWS is genetic and epigenetic. Ultimately, what is common to every case of PWS is the absence of an expressed paternal copy of the SNORD116 locus. Research has consistently shown the impact of drug abuse on DNA methylation in pregnancy.

I don’t know really anything about this kid but being born full term at a healthy weight makes it unlikely he was consistently exposed to drugs as a fetus. The only sources claiming otherwise are British tabloids which are not exactly reliable.

For what it’s worth studies on children born during the “crack baby epidemic” showed that they didn’t turn out like Harvey.

heres a link to the general wiki on the topic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_cocaine_exposure
 
The design is also useful for infants who can't suck because of other malformations of the mouth or jaw, as well as those with limited movement in their facial muscles as a result of a condition such as Moebius syndrome or some types of arthrogryposis, which is the case with this baby.
They probably used this or something like this on Moebius dude Russell Greer.
 
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I don’t know really anything about this kid but being born full term at a healthy weight makes it unlikely he was consistently exposed to drugs as a fetus. The only sources claiming otherwise are British tabloids which are not exactly reliable.

For what it’s worth studies on children born during the “crack baby epidemic” showed that they didn’t turn out like Harvey.

heres a link to the general wiki on the topic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_cocaine_exposure

In his case, I would personally be less worried about cocaine and more about liquor given her issues with the latter. Or general poly-drug use.

I also am not arguing that he does have PWS but rather simply responding to the claim that PWS development absolutely could not be influenced by environmental factors.
 
In his case, I would personally be less worried about cocaine and more about liquor given her issues with the latter. Or general poly-drug use.

I also am not arguing that he does have PWS but rather simply responding to the claim that PWS development absolutely could not be influenced by environmental factors.

I don’t know what exactly you’re responding to. There’s no correlation between maternal drug usage and PWS. I get that it seems possible, but it’s not verifiable. The most likely scenario is Harvey got a shit load of bad genes and other factors aren’t relevant. He doesn’t even fit within a PWS diagnoses, he seems far more impaired.
 
I don’t know what exactly you’re responding to. There’s no correlation between maternal drug usage and PWS. I get that it seems possible, but it’s not verifiable. The most likely scenario is Harvey got a shit load of bad genes and other factors aren’t relevant. He doesn’t even fit within a PWS diagnoses, he seems far more impaired.

My only claim, which is simply a factual statement with a reference to the actual locus impacted, is that PWS is genetic and epigenetic.

Despite my second reply stating very clearly that I am not making the claim he has PWS you seem to be responding as though I am. My point, by including the review study on chemical abuse and pregnancy, was simply that genetic disorders can often be influenced by epigenetics and therefore, in some cases, environmental factors.

I don’t think he has PWS and, more generally, have zero interest in trying to claim he has any specific condition.
 
Her fame is waning. Until a year ago,I had no clue who the fuck she was and that was only when started using her son's condition to get internet and tv exposure.
She really is selfish and daft too,taking him to a club with all the overstimulation. Look at his face,he is NOT enjoying himself. I'm not saying hide him away like it's 1922 but stick to quiet outings,but oh, she has to be noticed wherever she is.
This young man needs a peaceful atmosphere away from cameras and if Katie craves attention,she can go out alone.
Between her and the baby daddy they have enough money for certified home health caregivers to supervise Harvey while he lives as close to a normal life as possible at home in a familiar place.
He doesn't even live with her any more. A few months ago she was in the papers very sad that she can't cope with him any more and he was sent to a residential care facility.

Thats why this is so wtf. She's not living with him and dragging him along to her shit, she's taken him from his care home where he's only just had time to be settled in specifically to do this.

It's not just attention. She makes her living from gossip magazines and has to keep the "stories" coming. She's had some fines lately for drink driving etc and keeps having more and more surgery. There's no way she can keep her lifestyle based on any talent she may have had and nobody's paying money to see her saggy implants now so she has to keep doing outrageous shit, having fake relationships and breakups for the magazines.

Re cocaine I put that in as contextual information I don't think you can make any concrete claim from it. She also had a cancerous tumour on her finger removed 11 weeks after Harvey's birth (NOT CLAIMING COCAINE CAUSES CANCER OR CANCER CASUES PWS PLEASE DONT HAVE ANOTHER ARGUMENT) so I dunno. It's fair to say Katie wasn't necessarily in the best state of health at that time.
 
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The older Paisley gets, the more disturbing she is to look at. That tongue thrusting is far from cute... Her mother says they're doing physical therapy with her. Yet she never shows any pictures or videos to prove it. Just always the same motionless, freaky-looking Paisley who would be long gone if it wasn't for machines breathing for her and feeding her. Such a grim existence I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy..
 
He doesn't even live with her any more. A few months ago she was in the papers very sad that she can't cope with him any more and he was sent to a residential care facility.

Thats why this is so wtf. She's not living with him and dragging him along to her shit, she's taken him from his care home where he's only just had time to be settled in specifically to do this.

It's not just attention. She makes her living from gossip magazines and has to keep the "stories" coming. She's had some fines lately for drink driving etc and keeps having more and more surgery. There's no way she can keep her lifestyle based on any talent she may have had and nobody's paying money to see her saggy implants now so she has to keep doing outrageous shit, having fake relationships and breakups for the magazines.

Re cocaine I put that in as contextual information I don't think you can make any concrete claim from it. She also had a cancerous tumour on her finger removed 11 weeks after Harvey's birth (NOT CLAIMING COCAINE CAUSES CANCER OR CANCER CASUES PWS PLEASE DONT HAVE ANOTHER ARGUMENT) so I dunno. It's fair to say Katie wasn't necessarily in the best state of health at that time.

Ugh. With all her money and game,she can damn well afford private caregivers at her home. Instead,she puts him in a home where he may or may not be happy.
 
Ugh. With all her money and game,she can damn well afford private caregivers at her home. Instead,she puts him in a home where he may or may not be happy.
I'm on the fence. She has other kids to consider. I know some parents have to make a heartbreaking decision to place a violent SN teenager in residential care for the safety of the other kids. Without knowing the details of Harvey's challenging behaviour it's hard to say whether it might not be a sad necessity to have him live in a care home.
 
I'm on the fence. She has other kids to consider. I know some parents have to make a heartbreaking decision to place a violent SN teenager in residential care for the safety of the other kids. Without knowing the details of Harvey's challenging behaviour it's hard to say whether it might not be a sad necessity to have him live in a care home.

a lot of adults with PWS or severe autism do much better in residential care than at home. They need environments that are 24/7 regulated and monitored. It’s not necessarily like sticking them in an institution like decades ago.
 
The older Paisley gets, the more disturbing she is to look at. That tongue thrusting is far from cute... Her mother says they're doing physical therapy with her. Yet she never shows any pictures or videos to prove it. Just always the same motionless, freaky-looking Paisley who would be long gone if it wasn't for machines breathing for her and feeding her. Such a grim existence I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy..
It'd be nice if she was getting her some kind of gentle PT to prevent contractures but she strikes me as the type who would rub her with undiluted MLM essential oils and think that has MaJoR hEaLiNg PoWeRs. If she does get her PT, it's probably the kind of scary quack that throws Luna Ramirez around like a ragdoll.
 
It'd be nice if she was getting her some kind of gentle PT to prevent contractures but she strikes me as the type who would rub her with undiluted MLM essential oils and think that has MaJoR hEaLiNg PoWeRs. If she does get her PT, it's probably the kind of scary quack that throws Luna Ramirez around like a ragdoll.
They're religious folks so I'd think they'd stay away from the woo. I know the mom doesn't like anyone coming to the house, like nurses or caregivers, because, you know, she knows better and noone knows Paisley's condition the way she does. So it's probably some amateur attempts at PT that ain't worth crap...
 
They're religious folks so I'd think they'd stay away from the woo. I know the mom doesn't like anyone coming to the house, like nurses or caregivers, because, you know, she knows better and noone knows Paisley's condition the way she does. So it's probably some amateur attempts at PT that ain't worth crap...
I thought with the Monat she'd be into EOs too bc they are so common with MLMs. Imagine this dummy trying to do PT. Good thing Paisley is going to die young so she won't have to deal with the permanent damage her mom's poor PT attempts cause. The mom is really on the lower end of normal IQ.
 
I thought with the Monat she'd be into EOs too bc they are so common with MLMs. Imagine this dummy trying to do PT. Good thing Paisley is going to die young so she won't have to deal with the permanent damage her mom's poor PT attempts cause. The mom is really on the lower end of normal IQ.
She actually quit Monat because she claimed it was too spammy. I guess she had enough common sense to realize it was a scam. She never said anything about quitting until people started questioning her about it. She went from claiming it was the best thing in the world and convincing people to join her Monat tribe to not saying anything at all and when asked, she said it was a personal decision. Then she finally spilled her guts when people started pressuring her for answers.
She really does have a low IQ, so does the husband. Like when she dances and sings in front of Paisley. I mean her life is miserable as it is, don't make it any worse with your stupidity.
 
She really does have a low IQ, so does the husband. Like when she dances and sings in front of Paisley. I mean her life is miserable as it is, don't make it any worse with your stupidity.
I wonder if people with lower IQs but (seemingly) healthy are more likely to have super tards like Paisley? You'd expect the kid to have a mild LD like the parents.
 
I wonder if people with lower IQs but (seemingly) healthy are more likely to have super tards like Paisley? You'd expect the kid to have a mild LD like the parents.
Paisley will likely have low IQ no matter what, even if her parents were geniuses. I read somewhere that kids with TD have an IQ of 20 or less, which is pretty much severe mental retardation. Which I think Paisley is already showing signs of. I don't know about low IQ parents having super-tard babies. I think it this case their self-serving religious beliefs cloud their judgement. The mom knew Paisley would come out like this but insisted on having her anyway. I guess I sort of understand a mother's love and the desire for her child to survive. I do have some empathy for her... but I also think at the end of the day it should be about said child and Paisley's not compatible with life. Period. I don't care how much her mother tries to sugar coat things or chalk things up to God's plan. She's got to be miserable from just looking at Paisley. She's wasting her life, her husband's life and various resources trying to keep her daughter alive while she stares at a ceiling, makes disturbing faces and thrusts her oversize tongue cause that's the only thing she can control with movement.
 
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