Animal Breeding Horror Show - Featuring trendy bulldogs, exotic bullies and the dog cum cartel

[Spennychu]

As ugly as there are, unlike other extreme looking breeds, they don't have any associated health problems and it's generally considered a very hardy breed. I'd assume goat show specimens might be unhealthy just because seriously overbred animals are, but that's just how that breed has looked since time immemorial.

Extreme looking livestock is still livestock, they're being raised to produce something and generally you can't produce good wool/milk/meat if you're constantly on the verge of death.
Meanwhile SMASHED and SLAMMED and show dogs/halter horses are just bred to look pretty without having to be physically capable of anything.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

Extreme looking livestock is still livestock, they're being raised to produce something and generally you can't produce good wool/milk/meat if you're constantly on the verge of death.
Meanwhile SMASHED and SLAMMED and show dogs/halter horses are just bred to look pretty without having to be physically capable of anything.

Plus if the animals are mainly raised for meat you aren't looking for long and healthy life. Healthy enough to grow large and some of them being able to pop out the next generation. You can get way with alot with those criterias.

 

[FarmVille]

good overview on the horror of breeding French bulldogs

https://youtu.be/jgR3lBtwrLo

 

[Bugs_Galore]

Good lord. Do not even get me started on how much I loathe disgusting pedigree dogs. I'm in veterinary school currently and the list of horrific defects that some of these designer dogs can have is gut-wrenching. Now don't get me wrong, I am a fan of some purebred dogs. I'm an avid hunter so there is nothing better than a nice labrador retriever for grouse hunting. Lineage is especially important in hunting dogs since a lot of the dog's potential as a bird dog is determined by whether or not its parents were hunting dogs. But at least there you can make the argument that it's for a purpose. In the vet clinic, some of the worst dogs to treat are older pugs, those things are an affront to God and aren't made to live past age 5. It's honestly heartbreaking to witness, most of the time the people who own pugs are very well-off families that like them because of their looks, this means that they have very deep pockets to pay for surgeries to slightly prolong the dog's life when it probably should have been mercifully ended quite a long time ago. I once saw an owner pay for a hip replacement for a 14-year-old pug with hip dysplasia that was blind in both eyes (corneal ulcers), deaf in one ear, and had already previously undergone surgery a couple of years back for treatment for brachycephalic syndrome. At that point, the animal QoL is so reduced you have to ask yourself if it is humane to keep it alive.

 

[James done did it]

It depends on the reptile. Snakes only need to feed once or twice a week, and as long as they're small you could actually keep them in a bin like that. But when they grow larger you need to move them to a bigger tank. Snake breeders and zoos actually use this exact method to keep their hundreds of snakes in order:

This might look cruel to someone who isn't familiar with herpetology but for a hatchling this is good. The adults have bigger shelves like this:

Snakes don't care about verticality, so height is irrelevant, they just need room to move on the ground.

Snakes (some species more than others) absolutely do care about verticality and the entire rack housing setup for adult snakes is popular because it's convenient, not because it's what good for the animal. This study from last year suggests that at least for ball pythons (by far the most commonly racked snakes) many of the myths used to justify rack housing systems are probably untrue. They are convenient myths though, because if you were giving every ball python vertical space and UV it would greatly increase the cost of their snake mass production.

The entire bullysphere is basically analogous to what the reptile hobby has become though. Lots of diverse/cool species falling out of the hobby completely and retards focusing on SMASHING and SLAMMING new color morphs out of ball pythons and crested/leopard geckos that they then sell to other breeders for thousands of dollars to keep the pyramid skeem going. Going to reptile expos these days is just depressing, last one I went to was probably 80% those three species alone. Plus the guy with the random assortment of common pet reptiles you just know he found for free on craigslist/adoption ads that he's trying to flip on people.

 

[buoyverificationfuel]

Snakes (some species more than others) absolutely do care about verticality and the entire rack housing setup for adult snakes is popular because it's convenient, not because it's what good for the animal. This study from last year suggests that at least for ball pythons (by far the most commonly racked snakes) many of the myths used to justify rack housing systems are probably untrue. They are convenient myths though, because if you were giving every ball python vertical space and UV it would greatly increase the cost of their snake mass production.

The entire bullysphere is basically analogous to what the reptile hobby has become though. Lots of diverse/cool species falling out of the hobby completely and retards focusing on SMASHING and SLAMMING new color morphs out of ball pythons and crested/leopard geckos that they then sell to other breeders for thousands of dollars to keep the pyramid skeem going. Going to reptile expos these days is just depressing, last one I went to was probably 80% those three species alone. Plus the guy with the random assortment of common pet reptiles you just know he found for free on craigslist/adoption ads that he's trying to flip on people.

100% this. Snakes are a diverse group found in tons of different environments, a lot of them are arboreal. Even within a species, you might have a snake who is weird and really enjoys climbing so that one would benefit from a little bit more vertical space. A common enough "beginner" snake species that doesn't need vertical space but would not thrive in a rack is a sand boa - they want to burrow in the sand (duh).

One of the easiest ways to tell who actually likes reptiles is whether or not they think their thousands of dollars ball python is genuinely interesting. The assholes who are just in it for the money really think their ball pythons and crested geckos are the coolest shit, and that breeding their reptiles to sell for insane profit is a gift to humanity. Maybe that was your first reptile, and I do love my crestie. But almost anyone who doesn't think of reptiles as a paycheck can think of one that's cooler.

Spoiler: A selection of cool reptiles

They aren't a super-hydra cinnamon spider banana ball python though, so you aren't as likely to see one at an expo.


New Caledonian giant geckos, aka "leachies", are actually becoming more common at reptile expos because they're seen as bigger versions of crested geckos. They come from the same place (New Caledonia, an island near Australia) and have similar care requirements just scaled up in size. They're the largest gecko species!


Chahoua geckos are also from New Caledonia, and were classified in the same genus as leachies until 2012. They have absolutely gorgeous colors, like a tiny fallen log covered in lichen and moss, and (at least in my opinion) their tails are even more prehensile than other New Caledonian geckos! This is likely why one of their common names is mossy prehensile-tailed gecko. I don't see why these lil guys aren't more popular.


Yellow anacondas are smaller and more yellow than the more well-known green anaconda. They aren't very common as pets, since they do get pretty big and need an aquatic space. They're still absolutely beautiful without having to be bred to shit, which is apparently not something that people think ball pythons are capable of.


This is a mata mata turtle. I don't know very much about them other than they look cool as fuck, and I have seen them at an expo once. They're semi-aquatic and native to the Amazon river. Their average size is 1.5 feet, and they weigh ~40lbs (about the same as an average four-year-old human child).

I can sperg some more about interesting reptiles, but I don't want to shit up the thread even more. The point is, if someone thinks that an overpriced and overbred ball python is the pinnacle of pet reptiles everywhere, they don't actually know shit about reptiles and I would be impressed if they could even name a snake that isn't common.

Anyway. This thread would definitely benefit from more info about the shitshow that is Current Year reptile breeding. I'm going to do some more research and report back; could go into it now but I would only get (deservingly) top hatted.

 

[Xanen]

Surprised no one has brought up Arabians. Specifically those bred for halter shows.

Poor thing looks like you took a hammer to a normal horse's snout to the point of total deformation.

 

[2525ABC]

There's some really weird shit going on in bird world too. Like, why settle for a boring flying pigeon when you could have a horrifying feathery bowling ball?

 

[Jolyne THICCujoh]

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There's some really weird shit going on in bird world too. Like, why settle for a boring flying pigeon when you could have a horrifying feathery bowling ball?

Are they bred to be used for bowling or what the fuck is this? Why would you take a creature known for FLYING...and breed them so they just flop on the ground?

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

Surprised no one has brought up Arabians. Specifically those bred for halter shows.
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Poor thing looks like you took a hammer to a normal horse's snout to the point of total deformation.

The dish face is considered a feature of the breed for Arabs. That is a pretty extreme example but they all have it to an extent. These show Arabians are also favoured to have a shorter body so often they'll have one less rib than usual horses do (I think that's true of Arabs in general but especially these badly bred show horses).

It's worth remembering too that horses can only breathe through their nose, so you don't want to compromise that, I can't imagine the extreme dish face doesn't affect that somehow.

 

[Xanen]

The dish face is considered a feature of the breed for Arabs. That is a pretty extreme example but they all have it to an extent. These show Arabians are also favoured to have a shorter body so often they'll have one less rib than usual horses do (I think that's true of Arabs in general but especially these badly bred show horses).

It's worth remembering too that horses can only breathe through their nose, so you don't want to compromise that, I can't imagine the extreme dish face doesn't affect that somehow.

Oh I'm sure it does, like a lot of Halter breeds (like the Quarter posted earlier), Halter Arabians really are not meant for riding due to their deformities causing a lot of physical issues in the long term, that make riding them detrimental to the horse.

 

[2525ABC]

Are they bred to be used for bowling or what the fuck is this? Why would you take a creature known for FLYING...and breed them so they just flop on the ground?

It's the end stage of breeding tumblers - effectively pigeons with a genetic tourettes-like condition that makes them flip and spin in flight.
So yes, these are created on purpose so owners can win prizes for having the most brain damaged bird.
Why? No fuckin clue.

In general, bird fancy (especially pigeons and songbirds) was the 19th Century version of reptile morphs.

 

[Fareal]

I don’t care if I sound like a tophatted fag, I firmly believe that to knowingly create creatures that can only suffer for your own amusement is legitimately evil. This shit is beyond unethical and into the realms of actual wickedness. The normal human conscience could not be unmoved by the sight of so many creatures in pain. There is something far wrong with the people involved in this shit.

 

[James done did it]

What they do to dogs is smalltime compared to what they do to fish, I could post telescope eyes or other fucked up goldfish morphs but I think most people know about them. Goldfish have a natural lifespan of about 20-40 years depending on how warm you keep them. Fancy goldfish rarely reach 10 due to their SMASHED and SLAMMED physiques. But the trend has spread to other fish including monsterfish, here's a Bichir

Spoiler: Bichir

Now let's SLAM IT INTO THE GROUND

Spoiler

Funny how it also looks like a fucking frog, the toad phenotype is strong. They do the same thing to arowanas and a lot of other fish, just look up "short bodied" plus any fish's name.

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

What they do to dogs is smalltime compared to what they do to fish, I could post telescope eyes or other fucked up goldfish morphs but I think most people know about them. Goldfish have a natural lifespan of about 20-40 years depending on how warm you keep them. Fancy goldfish rarely reach 10 due to their SMASHED and SLAMMED physiques. But the trend has spread to other fish including monsterfish, here's a Bichir

Spoiler: Bichir

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Now let's SLAM IT INTO THE GROUND

Spoiler

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Funny how it also looks like a fucking frog, the toad phenotype is strong. They do the same thing to arowanas and a lot of other fish, just look up "short bodied" plus any fish's name.

there's an entire (small) subreddit for this called shittyfish. seems like a generally sensible community too.

edit bc oops doublepost:
i feel like this is one of the very few threads in which being mati is completely justified

 

[Juan?]

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There's some really weird shit going on in bird world too. Like, why settle for a boring flying pigeon when you could have a horrifying feathery bowling ball?

"Gentlemen, Behold! The Rolling Pigeon! MUAHAHAHAHAHHAAH!"

 

[Meiwaku]

Okay back to Farm Animals:

Goats

Goat people are fucking weird. There. I said it. Horse people are worse on the autism scale and making horse people sneed n feed is hilarious....but goat people are just weird.

Firstly here's one bred entirely for "amusement" it's called the Myotonic Goat or Tennessee Fainting Goat.



This is an American breed of meat goat. It is characterised by myotonia congenita, a hereditary condition that may cause it to stiffen or fall over when startled. So they basically just flop over and then after a short period of time they come to and walk on again. Obviously in the wild this is a terrible strategy for living.


Pigs

It should be noted the modern pink pig has basically been bred to be kept in small closed quarters and to thrive and fatten up under these conditions for commercial purposes. There's plenty of breeds of pig raised for food that are raised healthier and more humanely and who taste better due to their living and eating circumstances. But this is not about them this is about what we have created to spite nature.



Meishan/Taihu pigs. They're fatty even by american standards and thus the project for a new "super pig" for the food world was rejected. They were created by University of Iowa btw. And reach sexual maturity in 2.5-3 months...

Donkeys

Donkeys are smart, hardy, gentle and intelligent creatures. I argue they are better than horses in most cases. However, naturally we have bred small horrror shows. Meet the Poitou Donkey bred by French "people". The Poitou which the most prized are those with the nattiest dreads. These are the tallest breed of Donkey only second the the American Mammoth Donkey aka American Jackstock. These were originally bred to be made to mules (horse+donkey = mule which has the best of both worlds but is infertile). Later they became recognized for their working ability and now they're just for funsies. I don't need to tell you on how uncomfortable these must be especially on a working animal who would be pulling carts etc.

Most donkeys are bred to shed their coats. Obviously this is not the case with the poitou donkey where this trait has been bred out. Remember what I said in my last sperg about Sheep needing to be sheared 1-2 times a year because we bred out this trait? They don't do that for these donkeys. I can't imagine thats comfortable.



Horse Fags

Horses are cool. Horse people are gay retards. The following sperg is for people who breed horses for these weird purposes or keep their livestock in this common yet woefully inhumane conditions. These are the retards that gentrified horses.

Spoiler: Sperg on horse breeding for ~equestrian~ purposes

Im Dunkin on horse people again. People breed horses to do a list of things unnatural to horses that have no valuable purpose other than human amusement. Some are even cruel imo.

• Jumping for show (the horses can't see over the hurdle and this is an unnatural reaction for them. It's intimidating for a horse to do and horses only jump when in a fight or flight situation with prey in the wild.) Horses slip, fall, spook, etc. and riders die or get injured annually from 1000lbs of horse falling on them... Which they deserve. A helmet won't save you from being crushed by a horse.
• Horse racing.... literally just no you're breeding toothpick leg horses for manlets ride for vanity. Horses breaking legs or riders dying in real time is a thing.
• Most english riding shit falls here honestly. Not all of it is as harmful as above and not all things done for human amusement is inherently cruel.

Weird things people breed horses for that have irl utility or historical utility. I give these a half pass because it's what people bred horses for.

• Cutting. This is a sport where a horse has to read cattle and cut them off for herding. In the American West and even in modern cattle operations cutting horses were/are important. This one i give a half pass to minus the ones who do it for showyenss with no utility
• Barrel racing, same concept with moving cattle and the skill of tight turns is still used. This is a rodeo commonality

Things horse fags will lose their mind over if you tell them:

• Bits hurt horses. It is like winning an argument with a knife. There's options for bitless bridles that displace any weight and teach riders to use their bodies to tell the horse what to do instead of any force. You can entirely control a horse without one.
• If you tell them their horse who in the wild would move 20+ miles a day outside regardless of weather shouldn't be locked in a stall for 8+ hours. Behaviors from horses like cribbing (biting the stall or fence line) etc. Are from boredom. Also imagine sitting in your own piss and shit in a stall. Put your horses outside and let them get a bit dirty or maybe even *a single scrape* you bougie faggots.
• Don't keep horses alone. They're herd animals. They always need friends for their mental health.
• Shoing horses is counterproductive imo and barefoot is usually better . It doesn't matter if you are in 8 inches of soft soil indoor arenas etc. It still hurts their feet and can create more issues. Put metal on the bottom of your boots and walk around then tell me your feet don't hurt. Also you don't need new shoes for the fancy show, it's retarded and so are you.
• Your pasture being manicured lawn isn't helping and not all pasture is created equal. Horses naturally wear down their feet walking on harder ground, rocks, etc. The hoof being able to expand and contract and shed naturally comes in here. Also horses moving through different terrain is good for them.
• There's these weird automatic turnstyle trainers that are mechanical that make the horses run in a circle that are stupid. Don't be a lazy faggot that's cruel.
• Working horses every day can exhaust them. Not all breeds are made equal for this and horses need a lot of rest. Go get a mammoth donkey if you want a daily working animal.
• Spurs are cool looking but once again are like using a knife to win a verbal argument.
• You don't need to baby horses as much as you think you do. Fancy barns and equipment make you feel good, not your horse.

 

[BunchofMunch]

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There's some really weird shit going on in bird world too. Like, why settle for a boring flying pigeon when you could have a horrifying feathery bowling ball?

What they do to dogs is smalltime compared to what they do to fish, I could post telescope eyes or other fucked up goldfish morphs but I think most people know about them. Goldfish have a natural lifespan of about 20-40 years depending on how warm you keep them. Fancy goldfish rarely reach 10 due to their SMASHED and SLAMMED physiques. But the trend has spread to other fish including monsterfish, here's a Bichir

Spoiler: Bichir

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Now let's SLAM IT INTO THE GROUND

Spoiler

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Funny how it also looks like a fucking frog, the toad phenotype is strong. They do the same thing to arowanas and a lot of other fish, just look up "short bodied" plus any fish's name.

"Have you got a species you would like to fuck up beyond recognition, but don't know where to begin? Look no further; HUMANITY has the solution just for you! Whether it's running, crawling, swimming or even flying, HUMANITY will use their supreme knowledge and experience in the field of selective breeding to SMASH and SLAM any species that has had just a little bit too much quality of life. Say goodbye to annoying pet behaviour such as moving and breathing, and enjoy the company of a dwarf toad with hydrocephalus, descended from the species of your choice! Call HUMANITY today!"

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

• Horse racing.... literally just no you're breeding toothpick leg horses for manlets ride for vanity. Horses breaking legs or riders dying in real time is a thing.

Manlet self-genocide FTW.

 

[Xanen]

Manlet self-genocide FTW.

Next stop on the breeding checklist is making fucked up designer human babies specifically tailored to be jockeys.