Trainwreck The Empathic Nutritionist / Empathic Mamahood / Robyn Grogitsky-Ramirez / Luna Elva Ramirez / Glenn Ramirez / Atlas Glenn Standford Ramirez - Eyefucking Sociopath Selfie Addict Mother and Closeted Gymrat Pothead Father who use Instagram to Parade their Homemade Homunculus Tard Baby Created by their Refusal to Follow any Medical Oversights

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I mean it's great the shunt can drain the cysts, but it doesn't change the fact that Luna is a complete and utter potato with no life quality. I'm thinking Robyn's aiming for the cranial reconstruction now? But that wouldn't do anything for Luna anyway... I will never get Robyn's twisted logic.

Robyn was always convinced that once the first shunt was placed, the surgeon could be conned into adding as many shunts as was necessary to shink her head. Then, Robyn would heal Luna's brain completely with the powers of her imagination. Finally, another surgeon could be conned into reconstructing Luna's skull. And then they'd be a famous mother-daughter rekei duo, traveling the world to wow audiences with their total victory over evil allopathic medicine.

Robyn still tends to live in this fantasy to some degree, because the reality of her situation is too painful and judemental of her negligence.

 

[Disgruntled Pupper]

Oh yes, it's the DOCTORS who failed Luna, and not her mother who strangled her with her vagina. Her condition is progressive, but Robyn BELIEVES that is static and not progressing further. Doctors can't say when Luna dies, she determines HER OWN FATE and will live to 70! Despite being a nasty rash-covered potato that does nothing but lay there and seize she's so special and beautiful and all those doctors were WRONG.

Give me hats, but fuck Robyn and her narcissistic delusions.

 

[Carnival Night Zone]

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Atlas’s face just screams “unhand me, you psychotic cumsock.” Can’t imagine how fucked his relationship with Robyn becomes once he’s older.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Interesting it doesn't mention multicystic encephalomalacia. It's almost like he focuses on kids that aren't braindead and can still be helped by treatment.


She's so in denial, holy sharks. Glenn isn't going to live til his 100s with all the weed he smokes. He'll have COPD in his 50s or 60s and it will only get worse after that. And Luna living til her 70s? LMAO! Also, you yourself admit in that very post she has a brain made out of fluid-filled cysts, not hydrocephalus.

 

[MysticMisty]

That post is one of the few times she doesn't pretend Luna only has hydrocephalus. And even then she hides it at the bottom, with smaller text, and after she already mentioned hydrocephalus.

Also that bit in the middle where she adamantly insists that doctors can't tell her how long Luna will live, but she has no problem using the latest medical advancements to prolong her suffering. You can't pick and choose, narc bitch.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Do you think the hydrocephalus "fluid" they drain is really liquefied brain matter? Just what Buna needs, wash the rest of it down the drain. If Luna lives for years, will her mom keep getting the cysts drained until no trace of the original brain matter remains?

 

[copacetic91]

Do you think the hydrocephalus "fluid" they drain is really liquefied brain matter? Just what Buna needs, wash the rest of it down the drain. If Luna lives for years, will her mom keep getting the cysts drained until no trace of the original brain matter remains?

I mean, it’s not like the liquid brain matter can re-solidify into something functional.

 

[swiggety_swoogitty]

Wow, those posts are really telling. Robyn doesn’t care about Luna’s comfort and quality of life: she almost exclusively talks about how the shunt and fabled helmet will make her head closer to normal size and prolong her life. She makes one teeny tiny mention about shunting for pain relief, but this does not appear to be her main motivation for the shunt at all. She really thought she could make Lunas head revert to a more normal size and that Luna will live to be 70, no mention of Lunas intellectual functioning, ability to live independent or semi-independently, future comfort, etc.

Also, LOL at believing that the cysts are “static” and needing to “find the cause.” You know the cause, Robyn.

I predict we will get some VERY and grumpy vague-posts about being disappointed by the medical establishment soon enough.

 

[Pope Negro Joe Ver. XIII]

You know the cause, Robyn.

It's like that scene in casino, but with a vagina.

 

[MysticMisty]

Interesting it doesn't mention multicystic encephalomalacia. It's almost like he focuses on kids that aren't braindead and can still be helped by treatment.

Worth posting a reminder for people new to this thread and don't want to lurk more that the only reason the shunt surgery happened at all is because sociopathic mama outright deceived him. Back when Luna was first diagnosed with seizures (shortly after three months old) she was indeed diagnosed with hydrocephalus and her diagnostic team was prepared to have her shunted ASAP in an attempt to save her life and neurological functioning. When they did detailed scans in order to prepare for the surgery (so they would know the best location to place the shunt) however they discovered her condition was actually multicystic encepholamalacia, which not only meant a shunt would be a completely futile surgery, but that there was no meaningful neurological functions left to save. At this point the surgery was cancelled and Luna was instead put on hospice care and advised sociopathic mama and weedhead dudebro that Luna's lifespan may be as short as a few more days or weeks.

Robyn the sociopath seemed to accept this initially, until Luna didn't immediately die and she decided that if they shunted her, they could prolong the inevitable indefinitely. This sparked a months-long search for a neurosurgeon to perform the surgery. Since Luna does not have hydrocephalus none of them wanted to perform an utterly pointless surgery on a high risk patient. After being turned down several times sociopathic mama got crafty and realized she needed to be as deceptive as possible in order to get her way. She convinced this particular neurosurgeon that Luna "only" had hydrocephalus and no one else wanted to place a shunt, for some reason. Personally I think he's a bit of an idiot for him to not realize that there was a reason no one else wanted to do it. Maybe he only saw those easy Medicaid dollars and figured he could deal with whatever it was.

At any rate he didn't really know the extent of the severity of Luna's condition until after she had been checked in (via the ER, which is what Medicaid requires for out of state treatment) and had just had her head scanned. By this point he couldn't back out of it, but judging by his refusal to do any more surgeries until Luna is "bigger" I'd say his regrets involving the whole thing are bigger than Luna's head.

 

[FarmVille]

Worth posting a reminder for people new to this thread and don't want to lurk more that the only reason the shunt surgery happened at all is because sociopathic mama outright deceived him. Back when Luna was first diagnosed with seizures (shortly after three months old) she was indeed diagnosed with hydrocephalus and her diagnostic team was prepared to have her shunted ASAP in an attempt to save her life and neurological functioning. When they did detailed scans in order to prepare for the surgery (so they would know the best location to place the shunt) however they discovered her condition was actually multicystic encepholamalacia, which not only meant a shunt would be a completely futile surgery, but that there was no meaningful neurological functions left to save. At this point the surgery was cancelled and Luna was instead put on hospice care and advised sociopathic mama and weedhead dudebro that Luna's lifespan may be as short as a few more days or weeks.

Robyn the sociopath seemed to accept this initially, until Luna didn't immediately die and she decided that if they shunted her, they could prolong the inevitable indefinitely. This sparked a months-long search for a neurosurgeon to perform the surgery. Since Luna does not have hydrocephalus none of them wanted to perform an utterly pointless surgery on a high risk patient. After being turned down several times sociopathic mama got crafty and realized she needed to be as deceptive as possible in order to get her way. She convinced this particular neurosurgeon that Luna "only" had hydrocephalus and no one else wanted to place a shunt, for some reason. Personally I think he's a bit of an idiot for him to not realize that there was a reason no one else wanted to do it. Maybe he only saw those easy Medicaid dollars and figured he could deal with whatever it was.

At any rate he didn't really know the extent of the severity of Luna's condition until after she had been checked in (via the ER, which is what Medicaid requires for out of state treatment) and had just had her head scanned. By this point he couldn't back out of it, but judging by his refusal to do any more surgeries until Luna is "bigger" I'd say his regrets involving the whole thing are bigger than Luna's head.

Are you seriously implying an instagram woo mom tricked a neurosurgeon into performing surgery?

Then also implying that a surgeon can’t “back out” of operating if the patient doesn’t meet specified criteria?

 

[Breadbear]

Are you seriously implying an instagram woo mom tricked a neurosurgeon into performing surgery?

Then also implying that a surgeon can’t “back out” of operating if the patient doesn’t meet specified criteria?

It's the prevailing theory, yes. Robyn lied enough to a gullible neurosurgeon, who felt guilted into performing a pointless surgery. Or who DGAF and wanted a paycheck (looking at the Klein's).

 

[GenociderSyo]

Are you seriously implying an instagram woo mom tricked a neurosurgeon into performing surgery?

Then also implying that a surgeon can’t “back out” of operating if the patient doesn’t meet specified criteria?

Yes. But this was during a telehealth time it would be a lot easier to do so when its over facetime and text.

Considering her cysts had merged into a mega cyst the dude may have just felt it would give her some quality, he did tell them it was quite likely Luna would die on operating table.

 

[A tree]

Nobody knows what exaclty was said and done but Robyn and the surgeon. Perhaps he was willing to do it as a case study to contribute to the sum total of understanding of these surgeries. He has research interests in shunting and maybe wanted to test the limits of what's possible.

Perhaps he felt sorry for the desperate mother in front of him and decided it wouldn't hurt to try seeing as the child would likely die anyway, maybe give her a few more weeks with her family. Maybe he was religious and wanted to preserve life at all costs. I guess we all have our own subjective interpretations of the term "first do no harm".

I was reading the other day about the concept of a "slow code" where the relatives want heroic measures in a resus situaion but the medics know that all that will do is make death even more traumatic. They go through the motions without hurting the dying person so that they can be seen to be trying, while letting the patient slip away gently.

Maybe if the theater was already booked, insurance had agreed to pay for the surgery he felt something along those lines, a futile attempt for the mother's sake.

 

[FarmVille]

It's the prevailing theory, yes.

LOL sometimes KF is so unbelievably naive…. More so than any neurosurgeon.

 

[Pippeyy]

Nobody knows what exaclty was said and done but Robyn and the surgeon. Perhaps he was willing to do it as a case study to contribute to the sum total of understanding of these surgeries. He has research interests in shunting and maybe wanted to test the limits of what's possible.

Perhaps he felt sorry for the desperate mother in front of him and decided it wouldn't hurt to try seeing as the child would likely die anyway, maybe give her a few more weeks with her family. Maybe he was religious and wanted to preserve life at all costs. I guess we all have our own subjective interpretations of the term "first do no harm".

I was reading the other day about the concept of a "slow code" where the relatives want heroic measures in a resus situaion but the medics know that all that will do is make death even more traumatic. They go through the motions without hurting the dying person so that they can be seen to be trying, while letting the patient slip away gently.

Maybe if the theater was already booked, insurance had agreed to pay for the surgery he felt something along those lines, a futile attempt for the mother's sake.

So medical professionals just play make believe if it's futile to save them because it is so hard on the body? They just put on a show and let them die? There is so much wrong with that I won't even bother trying to break that down but no. They don't do that. If the family says "save this family member" they have to do everything they ask or are legally obligated too. It's why living wills and DNRs are so important.

LOL sometimes KF is so unbelievably naive…. More so than any neurosurgeon.

Yes, no neurosurgeon would do a surgery that isn't needed.
Never.

 

[FarmVille]

Yes, no neurosurgeon would do a surgery that isn't needed.
Never.

I’m not arguing over whether the surgery was needed. It’s ridiculous to think a woman who tapes a Healy to water jugs somehow coned a neurosurgeon—who had access to Lunas health records—into performing surgery.

 

[Vi0l3t]

In the end who cares, shes still dying slowly. All while mom continues to eye fuck the camera and push home births that caused it. Christ its grim. I dont get how neither parent has plunged into depression over the thoughts on what could have been for Luna.

 

[A tree]

So medical professionals just play make believe if it's futile to save them because it is so hard on the body? They just put on a show and let them die? There is so much wrong with that I won't even bother trying to break that down but no. They don't do that. If the family says "save this family member" they have to do everything they ask or are legally obligated too. It's why living wills and DNRs are so important.

In some cases yes. Citation:

Slow code - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[dfranki723]

I don't think it's a matter of her conning a neurosurgeon, moreso the fact that sometimes medical professionals (the shady/irresponsible ones) will perform questionable surgeries if simply asked or pestered enough. It's uncommon but it does happen. That's how lawsuits pop up and doctors lose their licenses, they do stupid shit too - just like everyone else.

Robyn obviously isn't a next level manipulative genius, I don't think anyone believes that.