DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell: General Discussion #2

[Piece of Peace]

This might actually be a use case for his business class internet.

That's really really funny and might actually make sense lmao. If it were true that he's the one botting, does he not turn it on for his night streams though?

Is viewbotting something that can be run from one computer? I figured it was more of a distributed thing, where a bunch of servers all over the world are using different IP addresses to log in to old/unused/compromised YouTube accounts.

You can run a python script (see video from @DaddyDickDown above) but might need access to proxies?

@Third_World_Detractor is familiar with python and may have a better idea

 

[Prophet Gaming]

That's really really funny and might actually make sense lmao. If it were true that he's the one botting, does he not turn it on for his night streams though?

You can run a python script (see video from @DaddyDickDown above) but might need access to proxies?

@Third_World_Detractor is familiar with python and may have a better idea

He would have to be the one botting. Otherwise like I said if a viewer was on the same node as Phil would be the only way the drop would also show.

Remember the exact same thing happened a few weeks back as well.

 

[TurdFondler]

It wouldn't have anything to do with python inherently, you would have to run it through proxies so it doesn't look like there's 100+ people on one IP

@King of Super Casualized
The expensive view bots, yeah. They'll be on fairly sophisticated systems. You don't have to jump through those hoops if an API encourages botting, though.

 

[Piece of Peace]

He would have to be the one botting. Otherwise like I said if a viewer was on the same node as Phil would be the only way the drop would also show.

Remember the exact same thing happened a few weeks back as well.

Agree, I think the primary variable that needs to be measured now is the public view counter. i.e. a controlled test with real world conditions to compare how the view counter adjusts over a similar length of time. I'll try to have something tonight or tomorrow.

 

[Prophet Gaming]

Agree, I think the primary variable that needs to be measured now is the public view counter. i.e. a controlled test with real world conditions to compare how the view counter adjusts over a similar length of time. I'll try to have something tonight or tomorrow.

All you would need to do is run your own livestream and then cut it. And we can watch the viewers to prove it.

Aren't you re-streaming tonight? We could test it then.

 

[Dona Morte]

Agree, I think the primary variable that needs to be measured now is the public view counter. i.e. a controlled test with real world conditions to compare how the view counter adjusts over a similar length of time. I'll try to have something tonight or tomorrow.

Releases · MShawon/YouTube-Viewer

A multithreaded view bot for YouTube. Contribute to MShawon/YouTube-Viewer development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

Something like this?
Seems no Python necessary.
I doubt Philly would fuck with Python coding.
Than again maybe this is what he has to "set up" and why he has been late lately.

 

[Nigel of Ukip]

All you would need to do is run your own livestream and then cut it. And we can watch the viewers to prove it.

Aren't you re-streaming tonight? We could test it then.

Might not want to tell your viewers when you will cut it, and just go for it at one point. Make it as natural as possible.

 

[Jasper2K]

I know a few people irl who view bot all the time on twitch. Lots of the slots and gambling streamers do it. As long if they don't get caught doing it themselves and its not hundreds/thousands of bots at once twitch doesnt care. Its very easy to do. Dsps pay pigs could easily go to a botting website throw some money down. Lots of services on the web if you know where to look. Imo its happening all the time on dsps stream. You dont have 200-300 viewers and only 10-20 people in chat like get real lmao

 

[TheGreatWhiteNorth]

All of this bot talk makes his begging for likes on his stream that much more pathetic.

 

[The Uncanny Ex-Men]

I can't talk shit. I 'beat' Malenia with mimic tears. But don't let this distract you that Phil gave up on the final boss of a Kirby game.

 

[LieLieFyre]

All of this bot talk makes his begging for likes on his stream that much more pathetic.

Good point. The times he does get he 100 like goal means that he should have an higher than average viewer base then right?

 

[Piece of Peace]

I know a few people irl who view bot all the time on twitch. Lots of the slots and gambling streamers do it. As long if they don't get caught doing it themselves and its not hundreds/thousands of bots at once twitch doesnt care. Its very easy to do. Dsps pay pigs could easily go to a botting website throw some money down. Lots of services on the web if you know where to look. Imo its happening all the time on dsps stream. You dont have 200-300 viewers and only 10-20 people in chat like get real lmao

The issue right now is why tf did his numbers drop by 90% in less than two minutes of buffering?

@Prophet Gaming 's point is that the bots would have had to be originating from DSP himself (the person who lost the YT connection), because presumably if it was an outside source then the bots wouldn't have immediately fucked off when he started buffering (unless bots do that for some reason).

You know now that I think about it, I believe DSP's internet connection was actually still working (he was actively typing in his chat that the stream was totally fine on his end). Leads me to believe he didn't like switch over to 5G on his phone to type or anything. Wonder what the significance of that is?

 

[Cyber Bowling]

My two cents with the possible viewbotting. YouTube is fairly notorious for having weird view numbers, sometimes showing 0 on a stream that's been active and has a pretty fast moving chat. I know when some streams start, it also stays at a low number, then a few minutes later jumps to the actual view count. Pretty sure if you refresh, you get a more accurate number. It isn't like Twitch, which generally updates in real time. I should also add it isn't just YouTube streams, but also videos as well. It isn't really relevant now with likes hidden, but there'd be times where the number of likes were greater than the number of views. This is based on slightly dated YouTube experiences, so it's possible it changed recently.

That being said, one of the dents using a botting service seems possible. I think we caught some suspicious numbers on Twitch before, and that was without any stream shenanigans on Phil's side. But I strongly disagree that Phil is the one doing the bots. Not only because I don't think he'd waste the money, but I genuinely believe he is too stupid to figure out how to setup bots. Reminder, this is someone who struggled to setup an Amazon wishlist and made a huge deal about resetting his computer. I could probably post several pages of examples of Phil being terrible with technology.

IMO, his numbers being weird right after a crash or immediately after his stream starts isn't great evidence. With the Twitch viewbotting, we caught it because it was happening in the middle of streams, a large chunk of viewers suddenly left, then seemingly reappeared around the same time.

 

[Crooked 16th]

He has 100% CPU usage all the time, I wonder why?



Also I wonder if he has that old desktop that those fucking POS's he did a favor for lying around still.

 

[SomeBoyo]

I'd suggest making a separate thread for this and other technical discussions (e.g. superthanks tracking). We got some smart people looking at this and feels like it could get lost a bit.

You know now that I think about it, I believe DSP's internet connection was actually still working (he was actively typing in his chat that the stream was totally fine on his end). Leads me to believe he didn't like switch over to 5G on his phone to type or anything. Wonder what the significance of that is?

His laptop is on wifi (maybe even the other one) so he can chat, but he said it was fine on his end which would require him to check from the streaming pc which would be connected via ethernet (presumably, we do have footage of his desktop from years ago, maybe that one has an ethernet symbol) and also be the machine that runs the bots UNLESS (and now full tinfoil) he runs the bots on his second tower PC. Unless, you know, he is lying ACKACKACK.
The more interesting aspect was that his stream died and the feed was delayed so after the five minutes or so you could hear him talk about how his stream is not down but only after restarting the stream. Does OBS have a buffer like that where it saves a buffer and then replays it when a connection is lost?

 

[Q_Anon1001]

The issue right now is why tf did his numbers drop by 90% in less than two minutes of buffering?

@Prophet Gaming 's point is that the bots would have had to be originating from DSP himself (the person who lost the YT connection), because presumably if it was an outside source then the bots wouldn't have immediately fucked off when he started buffering (unless bots do that for some reason).

You know now that I think about it, I believe DSP's internet connection was actually still working (he was actively typing in his chat that the stream was totally fine on his end). Leads me to believe he didn't like switch over to 5G on his phone to type or anything. Wonder what the significance of that is?

Im laughing at the thought that Phil might be accidentally dropping hints of using viewbots (ie slow internet, cpu at 100%) because he doesn't trully understand how whatever program/software he's using, and detractors aren't picking it up because they/we don't fully know about his behind the scenes setup.

I could put on a tinfoil hat and speculate why he uses what it is he uses during the day and not at night.

 

[YokuNamaTwo]

I can't talk shit. I 'beat' Malenia with mimic tears. But don't let this distract you that Phil gave up on the final boss of a Kirby game.

Yeah you can because you didn't say you are one of the best variety gamers in the country, nor criticize the developers, nor scold your viewers, nor beg for donations. I quit the game shortly after defeating 3 bosses in random areas and played in front of a bunch of my friends in real life who just wanted to play a multiplayer game than judge me on my gamer skill. Nobody even wanted to take the controller because it wasn't entertaining for neither me or them. And that's what makes me ponder about the people who watch Phil day in and day out every Elden stream.

I use to watch his struggles through Dark Souls but its not even entertaining anymore when he cusses out chat and demands money.

"I rolled!" "The input didn't register!" "The developers are garbage!" "IM FIGHTING A DIFFICLUT BOSS AND NOT GETTING SUPPORT!!! Please support the" Sorry but the amount of scumbaggery and the amount of guilt tripping nowadays with Phil through the dozens of dozens of deaths isn't appealing anymore.

He has 100% CPU usage all the time, I wonder why?



Also I wonder if he has that old desktop that those fucking POS's he did a favor for lying around still.

Because the computer is over a decade old befoe streaming even existed. And whats sad is he coulda afforded a new computer several times over... but decided to blow it in gambling for sweaty Jpegs.

Sorry to seem so uninterested but that's because I AM. I've seen this rodeo like 4 or 5 times since 2015 and its amazing how he still gets away with talking sit about everyone's content that he can't replicate until he figures out a way to do the same thing himself while anyone who mentions his past opinions gets banned.

 

[garrybkk]

One of the people who stream (Piece, DDM, Proper) do a view bot test. Wait till you have enough views (100-200), then turn off OBS or disconnect from Internet, while the stream is still running from Youtube's side, watch what the views are doing.

Did you see? He is using the old Elden Ring thumbnail after you pointed out the new one has troll messages.

 

[Piece of Peace]

My two cents with the possible viewbotting. YouTube is fairly notorious for having weird view numbers, sometimes showing 0 on a stream that's been active and has a pretty fast moving chat. I know when some streams start, it also stays at a low number, then a few minutes later jumps to the actual view count. Pretty sure if you refresh, you get a more accurate number. It isn't like Twitch, which generally updates in real time.

YouTube updates in what appears to be 5 second increments, close enough real-time as far as I'm concerned. This is reflected in the chart I posted.

That being said, one of the dents using a botting service seems possible. I think we caught some suspicious numbers on Twitch before, and that was without any stream shenanigans on Phil's side. But I strongly disagree that Phil is the one doing the bots. Not only because I don't think he'd waste the money, but I genuinely believe he is too stupid to figure out how to setup bots. Reminder, this is someone who struggled to setup an Amazon wishlist and made a huge deal about resetting his computer. I could probably post several pages of examples of Phil being terrible with technology.

I absolutely agree with your premise, however, we would then need to explain why his views dropped so much from a connection issue on HIS side. Presumably if the bots were originating from a different location they would not have dropped off as soon as he started buffering.

IMO, his numbers being weird right after a crash or immediately after his stream starts isn't great evidence. With the Twitch viewbotting, we caught it because it was happening in the middle of streams, a large chunk of viewers suddenly left, then seemingly reappeared around the same time.

Here's the thing, his stream never actually went offline. He has auto-stop disabled on YouTube, so his stream was still "running", it just wasn't receiving any data from his OBS. How this affects view count I can't say definitely yet, but my intuition is telling me that for all intents and purposes, the view count displayed would actually be accurate. I'm not making any definite claims until testing is done though.

 

[SkunkFeet]

I can't talk shit. I 'beat' Malenia with mimic tears. But don't let this distract you that Phil gave up on the final boss of a Kirby game.

It's the hypocrisy, elitism, and moving goalposts that make his victory shit. If Phil never made the grandiose claim that he was going to beat her fair this wouldn't have even been an event. Feel free to talk your shit, pimp.