DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell: General Discussion #2

[JimiHendrix]

I have one counter to this, just one. Successful people don't have to beg. Couldn't he explain the view bots away in the same way he does for whatever reason a successful businessman of 14 years needs to beg?

On the other hand I think Phil is to low IQ to do this, so honestly I don't know where to stand. What if he had Team Viewer set up and someone was doing it for him????

advertisement/trolls forced him to/every streamer begs.

he has used all 3 in the past.

 

[ZehnBoat]

like i said, phil does not believe himself to be a loser. he legitimately thinks he is successful, why would he use viewbots if he's successful?

using them would be admitting he isn't doing as well as he thought and he would never do that.

he also thinks he's hot shit and a pro game player
but he uses guides

what matters is that he looks good to others

 

[Ol' Slag]

I have to agree with what others have said. Phil is both too proud and too cheap to viewbot. His money goes to booze, bills, gotcha and doordash. He wouldn't spend the money on bots and it would be a blow to his ego.

A whale on the other hand is a different story. I could totally see a whale doing this.

 

[FaXmachine]

advertisement/trolls forced him to/every streamer begs.

he has used all 3 in the past.

Couldn't he say the restreamers are stealing his views and making him look stupid and insignificant so he uses bots to appear more important? Tbh it might be retarded to even work out how he thinks, I mean we might need to drill our skulls.

 

[LolCowCentral]

i don't see him view botting because the very act of him having to do so would mean he's admitting to himself that he is a loser who needs that to appear successful and phil does not believe himself to be a loser.

Because he thinks he needs to play the algorithm game for YouTube to suggest his channel to strangers. Look how hard he pushes for 100 likes. You think he wouldn't push viewbots to make it seem like more people are watching to attract new crowds? He is not above viewbotting. He literally lies and begs for a living.

 

[ReentryPhantom]

Because he thinks he needs to play the algorithm game for YouTube to suggest his channel to strangers. Look how hard he pushes for 100 likes. You think he wouldn't push viewbots to make it seem like more people are watching to attract new crowds? He is not above viewbotting. He literally lies and begs for a living.

Why wouldn't they have the viewbots hit the like button then?

 

[abomination created]

Apologies if someone did it already, still catching up, but this discussion can be definitively settled by just:
1) Run botting script from a laptop
2) Run stream from ethernet connected machine (with wifi disabled)
3) Unplug ethernet briefly then replug
4) Check view count on laptop

Alternatively can run a speedtest.net test on your ethernet device to fuck up your upload briefly and cause buffering.

 

[JimiHendrix]

He is not above viewbotting.

i never said he was above it, i said i do not personally believe that HE is the one doing it.

he also thinks he's hot shit and a pro game player
but he uses guides

because he believes his need to use a guide is the failure of the game not being clear/good enough, not a failure of him to understand the game.

Couldn't he say the restreamers are stealing his views and making him look stupid and insignificant so he uses bots to appear more important?

he could say whatever he wants. if you kids think he's personally sittin' there runnin' a fuckin python script, or paying 100$ a day for his day stream to boost his views, go for it.

i'm just saying as someone with far too much exposure to phil, this doesn't sound like him to me.

 

[LolCowCentral]

Why wouldn't they have the viewbots hit the like button then?

Costs more money ? You can certainly add the script to the viewbot to have them like or dislike a video. I've never paid for it so I couldn't tell you. I don't see Phil having 600 people actively logging into every stream to watch him play yet seeing only the same 12 people chatting over and over. All of these people watching and none talking ?

Watch DarkDavesMirror which usually has around the same viewers and compare his chat side by side with Phil's. You'll see what i mean.

Edit: we can agree to disagree here. I just don't see a world in which Phil is getting all of these viewers yet not hitting consistent tip goals/membership goals/having a more active chatting community.

 

[BPD Gunt Rider]

The issue right now is why tf did his numbers drop by 90% in less than two minutes of buffering?

This is what's weird as my streams and I assume yours and others here don't have sudden huge viewer fluctuations like Phil does.

I don't understand why Phil would viewbot, though. He has little to gain doing it, and you know he's read the many posts here mocking how his current chatters are always 20 people or less.

It's much more plausible that a certain one of Phil's fans who suspiciously uses old accounts to fulfill sub goals and contributes with old accounts to make Phil look like a normal stream with lots of contributors would do this...

 

[Dona Morte]

Thanks Wings simp.
Bonus lean in cow lick.

Spoiler

 

[SauceRyuKen]

The biggest argument against viewbots I would say is his 24-hour sub-only chat restriction. It's not a room just anyone could pop in and talk so it's (at least somewhat) feasible that he'd have a bunch of viewers that aren't chatting, whether they're newcomers, hatewatchers, or what have you.
And the huge membership is mainly indicative of how submissive his whales are.

That would be the biggest argument. Also how his chat is North Korea and almost anything you say can catch you a LIMB or at the very least an OHMAIGAWD STAHP TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL, WE TALK ABOUT ME, REE, HERE. I don't think this is intentional on his part to mask the 10 chatters - 360 viewers discrepancy, but it sure is convenient. However, I think there are many more arguments for than against.

- Maintaining a sense of relevance.
- Having an argument to be able to go ultra begmode. If he had 30 viewers, 450 memberships and 200 likes would be completely off the table.
- "THE SILENT MAJORITY." "ALOTTA PEEPUL ARE SAYING." Phil probably wants to believe this, he doesn't, but he wants to.
- Justifying his stalling, droning, monotone gameplay. If it still puts asses in seats, it must be good.
- Maintaining a sense of success for the dentheads. They're not misfits, they're part of a khammunity.
- Safeguarding his ego. Why, no, Phil's not getting assraped daily by even DarkDave's viewercount and his chat's activity by now, thank you very much! He's doing just fine! He DESTROYS that viewership, dood! Almost double! DarkDave getting RAHCKED!
- Being able to call his new gimmicks a roaring success when in reality, Fisting with the Fat was a wet fart and DSP watches youtube to pause and talk over the video on his PS5 is pretty fucking boring, by simply upping his viewercount. This way, he gets to push new, even lazier avenues of content creation. What people want to see from the pigroach hasn't ever changed: Games he sucks at, and him sucking at them. By using low audiences and lack of support as an excuse, he can more conveniently keep his narrative coherent while only cherrypicking snoozefest games, usually kid's games, walksims, and so on.
- Provide a convenient smokescreen for the whales. We know he's got twenty simps top, and he knows that, and they know that, but most normies would be confused by @JimJimJim 's long list of socks. Maybe he can keep it a secret from his girlfriend from Canada who is totally real.
- Appearing on the first page of youtube and having generally better discoverability. Not that he cares much, but he must know by now that if one of his whales gets run over by a truck, a thing that can totally happen, he's in deep shit. While he doesn't want and couldn't handle popularity any more, he definitely wants to be on the lookout for new sugardaddies.
- It's more likely than not that one of his sugardaddies paid for and set up the whole thing. PlanetJeff's an engineer, and while @JimJimJim may not work in cybersecurity, he seems competent enough for this to be within his scope. Phil would take this offer in a heartbeat.
- A selling point for memberships. It makes you special, it gives you a crown. If you just slap a crown emoji on, he'll ban you. But if out of the ten dents everyone has a crown, then nobody is special. Having 360 viewers, 400 members, and 10 active chatters is a really weird situation to be in, but out of the 10 chatters, only a handful have crowns.

As for the Against arguments:

- Phil doesn't have the technical know how. (A sugardaddy could have done it)
- Chat is and has been North Korea for ages. (Mods haven't given a fuck since the late twitch days)
- 24 hour sub mode. (Ironically detractors are more diligent about bypassing this and unsubbing later than fans are.)
- It would cost pull money, maybe. This one's admittedly weak since Phil does set money aside to buy the horse's affection with takeaway.

That's all I got in the list, but feel free to add more, of course. Honestly I feel it's clear as day, Phil just couldn't afford to become even more irrelevant and this is a nice little band-aid placed squarely in the middle of the gaping hole at the S.S Pigroach's hull.

EDIT: I'm not saying every chat has to be Max Dood/Aris/Gawr Gura levels of so fast it's impossible to keep up with, but slow chats tend to happen for a reason, and more frequently greasy streamers like our very own Darksy have slower moving chats. You could argue that Amouranth's chat, with 10K viewers moves slow because everyone is too busy pounding it, but I doubt anyone beats their meat to Dark. And he sure as fuck doesn't have a pleasant voice to just run in the background.

 

[Burl McMillan]

I have one counter to this, just one. Successful people don't have to beg. Couldn't he explain the view bots away in the same way he does for whatever reason a successful businessman of 14 years needs to beg?

On the other hand I think Phil is to low IQ to do this, so honestly I don't know where to stand. What if he had Team Viewer set up and someone was doing it for him????

Phil has pignotized himself to not consider what he does as "begging". He thinks it's just part and parcel of his daily labor.

As for viewbots, if it's not Phil that's doing it then I really wish they'd go ahead and write some interesting stories about it because Phil has been really fucking boring right now. If you're gonna waste your money viewbotting for Phil here's how you should do it:

• Whenever Phil hits consecutive "milestones" like a viral tweet, multiple days of hitting "positive engagement" or shit like that, increase the bots by about 10-15.
• Make it look like he's getting organic growth over the course of months, and set a cap on something like 800-1000 concurrent viewers
• Watch as he becomes baffled by frozen chat or not hitting membership goals quick enough
• Do shit that fucks with him slightly like disabling the bots during a Street Fighter stream, or making the prestream have 1500 viewers then when he takes a break drop it to 150.

Please and thank you in advance.

 

[Paladin Derich]

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This is NOT a children's entertainer nor is this a child's game.
No sir'e.

His groomer transformation is complete

 

[Zappin’ And Spazzin’]

I think figuring this out is easier than you'd first think
If Phil shows up tomorrow and starts confidently mocking the theory with "peepul are seriously saying I use viewbots! *Camera close up into exaggerated head-bobbing*" then he's not using viewbots
If Phil never addresses the topic and bans anyone who brings it up then he's using viewbots

 

[Sheriff of CWCville]

I don’t know if this is actually related, but right when the bank leaks were happening I recall seeing an odd $5 payment that I tracked back to what appeared to be some random Chinese company that has something to do with offering services to better your online reputation / presence. Wonder if it was a trial run if they actually offer services like botting?

Would have to do some digging to find out what the name was, but I know it’s buried somewhere in my post history.

 

[ReentryPhantom]

I don’t know if this is actually related, but right when the bank leaks were happening I recall seeing an odd $5 payment that I tracked back to what appeared to be some random Chinese company that has something to do with offering services to better your online reputation / presence. Wonder if it was a trial run if they actually offer services like bottling?

Would have to do some digging to find out what the name was, but I know it’s buried somewhere in my post history.

This was a retarded SJC "discovery". We already discussed this a little bit ago. It was the BTTV emotes payment.

 

[BPD Gunt Rider]

I think figuring this out is easier than you'd first think
If Phil shows up tomorrow and starts confidently mocking the theory with "peepul are seriously saying I use viewbots! *Camera close up into exaggerated head-bobbing*" then he's not using viewbots
If Phil never addresses the topic and bans anyone who brings it up then he's using viewbots

That simple tell won't work on this one because Phil may not even know if someone is botting for him. Or if he does, he can play his semantics game.

 

[Third_World_Detractor]

Regarding the view bot: You need to be logged into youtube to count as a "view". So a simple bot to open multiple tabs wouldn't work unless each bot instance has a different login, and maybe youtube might find it weird a bunch of views from the same ip.

 

[LolCowCentral]

And he sure as fuck doesn't have a pleasant voice to just run in the background.

Apparently even Khet agrees with you on that one

https://no-cookie.kiwifarms.net/data/video/3227/3227826-d67089b9d2d26060aec4c89d338eec06.mp4