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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
Now, I know you're not responding to me here with the second part of your post; but I really have to say that I don't think we should be emulating Japan's attitude to sex and relationships, it's a one-way ticket to a massively lower birth rate and all the problems that causes.
Don't get me wrong; I don't consider them something to emulate either, but I was just pointing out how incorrect he was.

Furthermore, and in general abstinence from sexual activity for unmarried persons may not be impossible in a literal sense, but anyone who has the opportunity to fuck is going to do so more often than not. Pretending otherwise is foolhardy.
Nobody who preaches abstinence has any real delusions about human nature. To paraphrase the Bible, "Wide is the path that leads to destruction, but narrow is the way that leads to life. Seek the narrow path". Those being completely truthful about the situation understand that most people won't be able to adhere to this, but they push for it, both as a principle to strive towards (that some can actually reach, even with great effort), and for the benefits it affords, like not having to worry about taking care of child you sired through your actions.

I also really don't think we need more incels of either the male or female variety; nor do I think we need more voluntarily celibate people either. People who don't get laid tend to be weirdos prone to fucked up behavior.
For one thing, I wouldn't lump incels in with those who choose to be celibate. Those are two very different situations. People who chose that life style have a far different mentality than those who we would call "incels".
 
Don't get me wrong; I don't consider them something to emulate either, but I was just pointing out how incorrect he was.
Fair enough, but Japanese people having a lesser interest in sex has more to do with some serious problems in their society that I honestly don't feel like going into right now. People don't typically shun sex and relationships unless there's something wrong with either them or the society they live in. Also, I'm pretty sure Fareal is a woman, not a man.
Nobody who preaches abstinence has any real delusions about human nature. To paraphrase the Bible, "Wide is the path that leads to destruction, but narrow is the way that leads to life. Seek the narrow path". Those being completely truthful about the situation understand that most people won't be able to adhere to this, but they push for it, both as a principle to strive towards (that some can actually reach, even with great effort), and for the benefits it affords, like not having to worry about taking care of child you sired through your actions.
I don't really give a shit what the bible has to say about anything, and I don't agree with you when you say that "Nobody who preaches abstinence has any real delusions about human nature" The fact that a lot of the teens who got abstinence-based sex education wound up having sex just a year or two later than their peers anyway and were less likely to use various forms of protection when they did so is all I need to know about the practical effects of that policy.

Ideals are nice and all(I adhere to a few myself, small government is great and the only acceptable gun control is using both hands, etc.) but the religious/moralist conservative ideal on this matter is completely out of touch with reality.
For one thing, I wouldn't lump incels in with those who choose to be celibate. Those are two very different situations. People who chose that life style have a far different mentality than those who we would call "incels".
Meh, I see them as two sides of the same fucked up coin. I also think at least some of the volcels are lying, but that's neither here nor there.
 
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My absolute gamer hope (as an australian bystander who admittedly gains mostly keks) is that this helps the democrats barely squeak by in the midterms and they end up still holding the bag for the next two years.
That just rewards their absolute garbage behavior, and gives them two more years to reverse their fortunes. It'd be more kekworthy for Dems to get cucked out of their agenda for the third time in 12 years.

You laugh, but you're already in a continent-sized prison. Spare a thought for us who still have a chance to keep the Age of Clowns at bay, if only for a little longer.
Meh, I see them as two sides of the same fucked up coin. I also think at least some of the volcels are lying, but that's neither here nor there.
The difference may sound like semantics, but those who strive for chastity and wait till marriage aren't necessarily volcels. A husband and wife who bang are still being chaste, because they are expressing love for each other in the highest way a married couple can.

Volcels, as you said, are just incels in denial. You can be not having sex and still not be living a chaste lifestyle.
 
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That just rewards their absolute garbage behavior, and gives them two more years to reverse their fortunes. It'd be more kekworthy for Dems to get cucked out of their agenda for the third time in 12 years.

You laugh, but you're already in a continent-sized prison. Spare a thought for us who still have a chance to keep the Age of Clowns at bay, if only for a little longer.
Eh, it's less a continent sized prison and more a walled state-size garden still sitting on top of several state-sized prisons.

Shit goes south when you go south.

Edit: Also, I'll clarify that I mean like just barely enough to have majority and give people on the fringe all the power.
 
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I'm still playing catch up with this thread, but I foresee an unintended consequence of this. I'm loving the salt and all, and I think this is a long overdue legal correcton, but...

There are going to be state exemptions just for rape and incest cases in states that otherwise limit abortions. In those states, we are going to see a sudden uptick in false accusations of rape, just so some chick doesn't have to get a bus ticket and waste a day away from her couch on her own dime.
 
This shit should have been left to the states anyways, but wine aunts in Commiefornia can't stand Arkansas or Oklahoma saying 'wait no what the fuck we don't want this' and demand Imperial Diktat.
The demand for supreme executive top-down one-size-only solutions is why the left ultimately fails, they can't be content controlling 80% of a map, what the other 20% might do keeps them up at night, and their attempts to convert all with brute force eventually loses them that solid 80.
 
I'm still playing catch up with this thread, but I foresee an unintended consequence of this. I'm loving the salt and all, and I think this is a long overdue legal correcton, but...

There are going to be state exemptions just for rape and incest cases in states that otherwise limit abortions. In those states, we are going to see a sudden uptick in false accusations of rape, just so some chick doesn't have to get a bus ticket and waste a day away from her couch on her own dime.

It depends on how those exceptions are constructed in legislation. You can’t wait for a conviction, because convictions take longer than nine months to obtain. So the question is, what action on the part of a complainer can trigger the exception in law.

If the laws require the police/prosecuting authorities to actually proceed with a formal charge/arraignment, the exception will rarely be triggered. (It is possible that sympathetic prosecutors will therefore be much more likely to charge if the complainant turns out to be pregnant.)

If all the laws require is a formal complaint to be made to police, even if the police do not then proceed with it, then there will undoubtedly be a sharp rise in the number of rape complaints being made. This will be even higher if the morning after pill falls under any abortifacient ban.

(Yes, people will tell lies to access healthcare they can’t otherwise access. People lie to get things they want all the time. This is human nature. The issue will be how believable the lie needs to be. “I have no idea who attacked me, it was dark and I was alone” is a lie with far fewer consequences than naming the likely father. There’s a nice evidentiary point there as to whether the products of conception will be retained and DNA tested for evidence if the rape exemption was triggered. This is already done in many jurisdictions but I suspect this is not widely known)
 
This is what I don't get about abortion. No conservative woman would have an abortion anyway. So in the end it's just leftist whores and baby mamas killing their own spawn. I still support the law because it makes certain leftist kikes kvetch extraordinarily.
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they would if the mother is in danger of dying in childbirth. can't think of any other circumstances though.
 
So how many people here believe on this being organised to legislate to pack the court?
I don't think everything is tightly orchestrated but it is certainly already being taken advantage of to that goal.
The leaker's motivation is probably just simple intimidation and a good story for their friend(s) at Politico without any awareness things can backfire.
 
I can't wait for 1 billion more handmaiden's tale comparisons. To which I'll just reply with this golden image.

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My absolute gamer hope (as an australian bystander who admittedly gains mostly keks) is that this helps the democrats barely squeak by in the midterms and they end up still holding the bag for the next two years.

I'm convinced that Chief Justice Roberts arranged for this decision at this time precisely because he wanted (or was ordered by the cabal) to rile up the Democrat base and make sure the Democrats hold on to the Senate and House of Representatives during this next round of elections.
 
I'm convinced that Chief Justice Roberts arranged for this decision at this time precisely because he wanted (or was ordered by the cabal) to rile up the Democrat base and make sure the Democrats hold on to the Senate and House of Representatives during this next round of elections.
I doubt it, and even if that did happen, won't save them.
They're down with hispanics by 13.
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God I'm going to have so much fun this November.
 
I think this is a terrible idea. Listen I've never been a fan of abortion but I also understand you also can't force someone to raise a kid, or atleast raise them good. Forcing someone to give birth to a kid they don't want is gonna lead to an uptick in child abuse and in the future, an uptick in criminally inclined adults raised by parents who didn't want them. Which then causes problems for normal people who just want to live their fucking lives.

Sure mandate it to the states, let each state decide its own law on it, but one thing that shouldn't be accpectable to anyone is states trying to make it a crime to go to another state to get an abortion. That's bullshit and gives too much control to the state over a person. If its not illegal on a federal level and still legal and accessible outside a person's home state, then they shouldn't be punished for going outside their home state. It also sets a terrible fucking precedent for other things that may be restricted varied on state and I don't want abortion of all things to be the precedent on why people start getting punished for doing things legally in another state that may be illegal in their state.
 
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