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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
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Sorry to break it to you, but the later court decisions already shot this idea of "medical privacy" full of holes. Its why we had mask mandates in the first place, and why schools require proof of vaccination for students. This idea that we will lose "medical privacy" is red herring bullshit by the left. The Supreme Court itself has made it clear that the fake "right to privacy" enshrined by Roe v Wade was only for abortion and nothing else. Part of the reason Roe was bad law.
If you're referencing the HIPAA Privacy Rule, the law already permits unauthorized disclosure of protected health information (PHI) for public health emergencies. I'm not necessarily defending/criticizing American COVID policies, but they are legal.

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-profe...nding-to-public-health-emergencies/index.html
But if conservative states ban abortions, liberals who fucked up their own states won't be able to move there and fuck them up. They would be "forced" to live in their own shitholes.
I've been trying to figure out the effects of abortion laws, and here' s what I've figured out. Over the year leading to the Texas ban back in September 2021, in-state abortions had dropped 50%, and neighboring out-of-state abortion clinic wait times increased. Additionally, private insurance and Medicaid is prohibited from covering it, forcing out-of-pocket payment. The law isn't enforceable by the government, but it allows private lawsuits. While HIPAA permits (PHI) disclosure to law enforcement and state child support enforcement, they aren't the Texas abortion police and Roe v. Wade blocks "excessive government restriction". If an abortion is paid out of pocket, providers must agree to any PHI restriction requests. So from what I'm seeing, it's really hard to dance around privacy laws and enforce the ban in Texas, Despite this, abortion rates still decreased. In this case, the abortion ban didn't need to challenge privacy laws or enforcement, it still kinda worked.

Initial Impacts of Texas’ Senate Bill 8 on Abortions in Texas and at Out-of-State FacilitiesOut-of-State Facilit

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/faq/3026/under-hipaa-may-an-individual-request-that-a-covered-entity-restrict-how-it-uses-or-discloses-that-individuals-protect-health-information/index.html

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-profe...-a-state-child-support-enforcement/index.html

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-profe...close-to-law-enforcement-officials/index.html
The court isn’t elected and answers to no one. They have no term limits and don’t have to worry about money. ‘Protesting’ them is just going to piss them off and make them choose more political cases in the future out of spite.

We’ve seen it happen before against the Executive branch with the CDC eviction bullshit.
It's a shame, I really appreciate Chief Justice Roberts' commitment to institutionalism and the law itself, and not demagoguery and partisanship. It's a bit annoying to see people talk about the SCOTUS like they're the same as a senator or president.

The salt on reddit is fucking amazing. There are so many femcels threatening to down and entire bottle of Plan B washed down with boxed wine and making appointments to sterilize themselves.
lmao if american obesity rates are to be believed, many might want to choose a different morning after pill or get an IUD ASAP. Plan B is noticeably less effective for women with a BMI > 30. Pretty sure Canada straight up won't give it to you if you're over 165lb or something. Imagine government mandated fat shaming by a pharmacist lol
 
Difficult to parse what political fallout will be from this.

Will it embolden the republican base to see they are getting deliverables or will they stay home because single issue voters who otherwise wouldnt vote for republican swamp creatures came out due to abortion?

Will it embolden the democratic base to fight it or demoralize them?

Republicans have been making big gains with women with the grooming and "they are after your kids" those same women will ree at this.
 
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Difficult to parse what political fallout will be from this.

Will it embolden the republican base to see they are getting deliverables or will they stay home because single issue voters who otherwise wouldnt vote for republican swamp creatures came out due to abortion?

Will it embolden the democratic base to fight it or demoralize them?

Yes to everything
Cons need to stop being afraid to act like they have normal values. Short term gains are never guaranteed, but never grasping victory anywhere never moving ahead with your goals because "b..but what will this do to the red wave?" is guaranteed defeat in the long term.
 
Not a source, but off the top of my head, cheating is to the french like fat people is to America, the french courts ruled that you need a court order to get paternity tests because the sheer amount of men abandoning their cheating wives would have a negative impact on the country. French men have to go to other countries like Germany to get paternity tests and if the french government finds out they'll prosecute you and throw you in jail. So they literally have state sponsored cuckoldry because they don't want all their cheating whores ending up as single mothers.
 
If there is one group that should be able to get abortions no matter what, it’s troons. Those trans man pregnancies are cursed and the kid isn’t going to have an easy life with whatever hormone cocktail their parent has been on. Having a troon parent would also be bad. If it were up to me, all troons should be sterilized before taking HRT.
 
A funny thought just occurred to me.

Null needs to patent his idea for a self-blending synthetic womb intended for AGP fetishists ASAP because that's the obvious solution for those unwilling to manage their own reproductive agency in this supposed coming hellscape.

Legally a distinction between self inflicted and assisted is an important one, so if you can just find the "frappe" button and not need a doctor to get the little crunchbar out of your womb...it seems like it sidesteps quite neatly the need to have Safe and Legal™ abortion.

Only problem is 30 years after that is developed there will be shadowy money groups pushing to have little girls get these installed before puberty. 🙄

Difficult to parse what political fallout will be from this.
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Republicans have been making big gains with women with the grooming and "they are after your kids" those same women will ree at this.
That will be a messaging fight and they need to hop on it immediately, because something tells me that any reeing from that demographic, if it happens at all (and I think you might be surprised), will die down once it becomes clear that the parentheses still exist and abortion will still be legal there.

Like the entire blow-up is basically predicated on the notion that without Roe, women will now start getting pregnant just because a man looked at them, at which point their shoes will blink out of existence and they will be teleported into a kitchen in which nothing can be heard but a TV blasting the NASCAR race punctuated by frequent male demands for beer and sandwiches.

Dispel that notion and you have smooth sailing.
 
If you're referencing the HIPAA Privacy Rule, the law already permits unauthorized disclosure of protected health information (PHI) for public health emergencies. I'm not necessarily defending/criticizing American COVID policies, but they are legal.

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-profe...nding-to-public-health-emergencies/index.html

I've been trying to figure out the effects of abortion laws, and here' s what I've figured out. Over the year leading to the Texas ban back in September 2021, in-state abortions had dropped 50%, and neighboring out-of-state abortion clinic wait times increased. Additionally, private insurance and Medicaid is prohibited from covering it, forcing out-of-pocket payment. The law isn't enforceable by the government, but it allows private lawsuits. While HIPAA permits (PHI) disclosure to law enforcement and state child support enforcement, they aren't the Texas abortion police and Roe v. Wade blocks "excessive government restriction". If an abortion is paid out of pocket, providers must agree to any PHI restriction requests. So from what I'm seeing, it's really hard to dance around privacy laws and enforce the ban in Texas, Despite this, abortion rates still decreased. In this case, the abortion ban didn't need to challenge privacy laws or enforcement, it still kinda worked.

Initial Impacts of Texas’ Senate Bill 8 on Abortions in Texas and at Out-of-State FacilitiesOut-of-State Facilit

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/faq/3026/under-hipaa-may-an-individual-request-that-a-covered-entity-restrict-how-it-uses-or-discloses-that-individuals-protect-health-information/index.html

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-profe...-a-state-child-support-enforcement/index.html

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-profe...close-to-law-enforcement-officials/index.html

It's a shame, I really appreciate Chief Justice Roberts' commitment to institutionalism and the law itself, and not demagoguery and partisanship. It's a bit annoying to see people talk about the SCOTUS like they're the same as a senator or president.


lmao if american obesity rates are to be believed, many might want to choose a different morning after pill or get an IUD ASAP. Plan B is noticeably less effective for women with a BMI > 30. Pretty sure Canada straight up won't give it to you if you're over 165lb or something. Imagine government mandated fat shaming by a pharmacist lol

Most women, I’m pretty sure, don’t know that you need to double-dose levonorgestrel if the woman is over 70kg. Then they complain it didn’t work. Ulipristal is more effective, and effective for longer.
 
Not a source, but off the top of my head, cheating is to the french like fat people is to America, the french courts ruled that you need a court order to get paternity tests because the sheer amount of men abandoning their cheating wives would have a negative impact on the country. French men have to go to other countries like Germany to get paternity tests and if the french government finds out they'll prosecute you and throw you in jail. So they literally have state sponsored cuckoldry because they don't want all their cheating whores ending up as single mothers.
Nice, I'll file that under my "Things to bring up when EuroCucks act smug about America" folder.
 
I would be surprised if the majority of Americans weren't cool with letting states decide how abortion should be handled.

Everyone gets what they want, as long as its either killing or not killing babies.
I would say just buy everyone a bus ticket out the state for whoever wants them but red states don't have the funding or transit infrastructure to do that.
 
They are sperging out still
 

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It depends on how those exceptions are constructed in legislation. You can’t wait for a conviction, because convictions take longer than nine months to obtain. So the question is, what action on the part of a complainer can trigger the exception in law.

If the laws require the police/prosecuting authorities to actually proceed with a formal charge/arraignment, the exception will rarely be triggered. (It is possible that sympathetic prosecutors will therefore be much more likely to charge if the complainant turns out to be pregnant.)

If all the laws require is a formal complaint to be made to police, even if the police do not then proceed with it, then there will undoubtedly be a sharp rise in the number of rape complaints being made. This will be even higher if the morning after pill falls under any abortifacient ban.

(Yes, people will tell lies to access healthcare they can’t otherwise access. People lie to get things they want all the time. This is human nature. The issue will be how believable the lie needs to be. “I have no idea who attacked me, it was dark and I was alone” is a lie with far fewer consequences than naming the likely father. There’s a nice evidentiary point there as to whether the products of conception will be retained and DNA tested for evidence if the rape exemption was triggered. This is already done in many jurisdictions but I suspect this is not widely known)
Another problem that could potentially happen is what happens with jury selection in the case of rape trials if it does somehow require a trial and conviction (not likely but hey)? Obviously people would know if it's a rape case there's a possibility it could involve an abortion as well. If they have to ask potential jurors if they have any opinion on abortion before selection that's gotta cut out like 99% of the population. Best case would be if a rape kit comes back positive and it is early in the pregnancy then fine, abortion. If it's late in the pregnancy they should have to file charges against their supposed rapist.
 
They are sperging out still
These people must not have spines dealing with all this whiplash between "muh 1/6 and violent neo-nazis" to "we need to start a civil war and genocide the opposition"

So a bad SC decision will be overturned to reflect the law and constitutional principles, but more feral niggers will be running around the country?

Somebody tell me how to feel about this.
Places with high nigger concentrations will likely keep abortion (possibly even loosen the laws), so way less white abortions and at worst slightly less black abortions. Win-win.
 
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