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Shame they don't have Star Wars: 1313 on there either, that was another game that got shelved because of Dickney.

Star Wars: 1313
Star Wars: Darth Maul
Jedi Knight III
Jedi Outlaw
Etc...

Damn... What could have been 😭
Its possible Underworld was another name for 1313 since George was the one who wanted the game to serve as a tie-in to the live-action Underworld series he was developing.
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Supposedly it was going to be the next big media project with comics, toys and anything else you can think of all revolving around Coruscant's underworld. Originally 1313 was a standalone game with its own unique hero before George requested changes.
Shadows of the Sith was a game pitched by Dark Horse writer (and later Force Unleashed creator) Hayden Blackman, that wasn't based on any treatments by George, but what is in fact an EU game that was set post-NJO, that would've starred a young Ben Skywalker facing off with a newly-turned Sith version of Jacen Solo.

And this was pitched in 2003. Which lends credence to the idea that quite a few different people from different divisions at LFL were keen on the idea of Jacen going dark (instead of being solely pushed by Troy Denning, as so many NJO purists mistakenly believe).
Knowing George, its possible he would've gotten involved to a varying degree since it was visual media or he at least would've been consulted on what to do or what not to do with certain characters or lore. Regardless of his involvement or not, this would've been a far more ideal sequel than what disney shat out. The sons of dear friends and family forced to battle to the rhythm of the cosmic war drum.
 
Regardless of his involvement or not, this would've been a far more ideal sequel than what disney shat out. The sons of dear friends and family forced to battle to the rhythm of the cosmic war drum.
Hence why I love Legacy of the Force so much, as it gives us exactly that...as well as Jaina and Jacen ultimately having a heart-wrenching sibling face-off at the series' finale.

However, where the cancelled games go, the one that hurts me the most is Red Fly Studio's Darth Maul game, where he's "revived" in the Legacy era ruled by Darth Krayt, and has to team up with Darth Talon.

As someone ravenously reading through the Legacy comics right now (keep an eye out for the next part of my coverage for that, btw), I would've killed to see this game released.
 
So I'm playing Jedi Academy for the first time and currently on "Meet Contact - Zonju V."
The real meat of the game is in the third chapter, where you get to fight TONS of Dark Jedi and elite troopers.

I gotta say the speeder bike controls are THE WORST speeder bike controls in the franchise!
It's an acquired taste. Not as exact as other games (the OG Battlefront speeders were OK) but it gets really fun when you slice an enemy biker in half with a lightsaber while going full-tilt.

Even worse than the ones from the original Battlefront games.
I never felt that those speeder controls were bad in those games. It's just OK.

I'd even go as for as they are comically bad (I couldn't stop laughing at the absurdity).
But, the cherry on top is the enemy AI on the same speeder bikes.
They are retarded.
They are more likely to kill themselves rather than die by your hand, let alone makes Stormtroopers elite marksman in comparison in their efforts to kill you.
That's the trade-off. As bad as the controls are, hey, at least the enemy isn't thinking straight. Makes it easier to carve them like turkeys.

On the positive, it's funny to see the slow-mo cam kick in to watch one of these idiots randomly blow up behind you.
And cutting off the front of their bikes like Luke did in ROTJ never gets old.
That rush of adrenaline makes up for the crappy controls. Reminds me of the Battle on Muunlist where Kenobi fought against Durge:


Episode VII: Shadows of the Sith seems interesting.
Was LucasArts planning to make a video game adaptation of George Lucas' script for the proposed sequel trilogy?
I'm surprised Lucas didn't go for it. I could picture Lucas sitting there thinking "It'd be a shame to let these ideas go to waste and not do anything with them."
I certainly would have traded what we got to see what that fully realized project would have been.
Imagine a sequel series where Darth Maul is the dark-side threat and Thrawn is the military threat. Imagine Thrawn working to rally and unite the Imperial remnants while Maul uses subterfuge and criminal contacts to weaken the New Republic. Then imagine half the New Republic turning traitor because Maul bribed them to defect.

Hence why I love Legacy of the Force so much, as it gives us exactly that...as well as Jaina and Jacen ultimately having a heart-wrenching sibling face-off at the series' finale.
I still can't forgive that series for killing off Mara Jade without giving Timothy Zahn a decent heads-up.......or the fact that it provided an inspiration for Force Awakens. Or the fact that they had a plot about the Mandos that went nowhere. Jaina's Mando training was completely bullshit, and they de-fanged a character who was the SWORD OF THE JEDI just to praise a bunch of mauve-shirts who hadn't accomplished anything worthwhile.

However, where the cancelled games go, the one that hurts me the most is Red Fly Studio's Darth Maul game, where he's "revived" in the Legacy era ruled by Darth Krayt, and has to team up with Darth Talon.

As someone ravenously reading through the Legacy comics right now (keep an eye out for the next part of my coverage for that, btw), I would've killed to see this game released.
I put my money on Battlefront III. The ability to go from a ground battle to a space one in the same battle would have made it the sci-fi shooter of the century.
 
The real meat of the game is in the third chapter, where you get to fight TONS of Dark Jedi and elite troopers.
I got a taste of it in Vader's Castle. The guys with two lightsabers are tough.
If you get locked into a saber battle, he can boomerang his other saber and kill you while you are helpless.
I think the most hilarious enemy is the cultists.
They are a step below the Shadowtroopers or the Reborn from Jedi Outcast because their connection to The Force is so weak that you can kill them with thermal detonators. Most Force-user enemies will Push them right back at you. These guys? They take it right to the face lol
They are bigger LARPers than Kylo Ren.
 
I got a taste of it in Vader's Castle. The guys with two lightsabers are tough.
If you get locked into a saber battle, he can boomerang his other saber and kill you while you are helpless.
I think the most hilarious enemy is the cultists.
They are a step below the Shadowtroopers or the Reborn from Jedi Outcast because their connection to The Force is so weak that you can kill them with thermal detonators. Most Force-user enemies will Push them right back at you. These guys? They take it right to the face lol
They are bigger LARPers than Kylo Ren.
That's because they're the gunk that the leftover Reborn scrape off their boots on their way to real battles. You can kill them with practically anything that has enough firepower, be it Stouker rifles, the Imperial Heavy Repeater's concussion launcher, Force Lightning, the list goes on. Those tricks won't work on the veteran Reborn, but the cultists? They're chumps with lightsabers and Force powers.

It's actually kind of sad the Shadowtroopers don't come back for Jedi Academy. I'd have actually made all the Reborn into Shadowtroopers, it'd make them look tougher, sleeker, not to mention more........Imperial.
 
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That rush of adrenaline makes up for the crappy controls. Reminds me of the Battle on Muunlist where Kenobi fought against Durge:

Holy fuck that's beautiful. Isn't it great how someone with at least half a braincell took a look at speeders and thought "how can we use these", and eventually came to the conclusion of "armored breakthrough to target artillery", designed droids that can look in multiple directions, and only once they had a decent idea did they pour on the space fantasy and slap fucking lances on them. And the lances blow up things which, okay, dumb, but just slap explosive charges on them and that's something a reasonable person with thousands of expendable droids would eventually conclude.
What did we get again recently?
Horse on starship?
K.
 
Holy fuck that's beautiful. Isn't it great how someone with at least half a braincell took a look at speeders and thought "how can we use these", and eventually came to the conclusion of "armored breakthrough to target artillery", designed droids that can look in multiple directions, and only once they had a decent idea did they pour on the space fantasy and slap fucking lances on them. And the lances blow up things which, okay, dumb, but just slap explosive charges on them and that's something a reasonable person with thousands of expendable droids would eventually conclude.
What did we get again recently?
Horse on starship?
K.
The Final Order commanders could have easily solved the problem by tilting their ship and letting all the stupid horses and their riders plummet to their doom.
 
Horse on starship? What's that a reference to?
Do I want to know?
Rise of Skywalker has a scene in the finale where the heroes of the Resistance ride on alien horses and racing across the hull of a Star Destroyer taking off into space.

And yes, it is every bit as retarded as it sounds.
 
Rise of Skywalker has a scene in the finale where the heroes of the Resistance ride on alien horses and racing across the hull of a Star Destroyer taking off into space.

And yes, it is every bit as retarded as it sounds.

I had memory holed that particular moment of retardation existed until you assholes reminded me.

They were so proud they put it in the trailers. Everyone else hated how retarded it was to the point no one meme'd it, not even a "now this is podracing".
 
Rise of Skywalker has a scene in the finale where the heroes of the Resistance ride on alien horses and racing across the hull of a Star Destroyer taking off into space.

And yes, it is every bit as retarded as it sounds.

RLM described the film as Rapid Fire Stupidity where it just throws so much shit at you that you almost can't process it all.

Space Horses on the Star Destroyer is something that always slips my mind.

It came so late in the movie, and during all the insanity with Palpatine, Rey, and Kylo, so that bit of stupidity is easy to forget, oddly enough.
 
RLM described the film as Rapid Fire Stupidity where it just throws so much shit at you that you almost can't process it all.

Space Horses on the Star Destroyer is something that always slips my mind.

It came so late in the movie, and during all the insanity with Palpatine, Rey, and Kylo, so that bit of stupidity is easy to forget, oddly enough.
You know if the Star Destroyer just banked to the left and killed all of those characters it could have left the ending with a very somber," we just beat the enemy but at what cost?", feeling. But who am I kidding that is way too complex for Disney.
 
RLM described the film as Rapid Fire Stupidity where it just throws so much shit at you that you almost can't process it all.
Honestly that's every film in the sequel trilogy. They're all completely atrocious. Sure TROS is objectively the worst in this regard but TFA and TLJ both have dumb shit happening from scene to scene too, whether the person watching noticed the problems (and made excuses for said dumb shit) in the movies or not depended on them.
 
Honestly that's every film in the sequel trilogy. They're all completely atrocious. Sure TROS is objectively the worst in this regard but TFA and TLJ both have dumb shit happening from scene to scene too, whether the person watching noticed the problems (and made excuses for said dumb shit) in the movies or not depended on them.

Force Awakens had a few that slipped under the radar. How is Poe still alive after crashing the TIE Fighter and was nowhere to be found in a wide open desert? How does going at Lightspeed help get you through a protective forcefield and why hasn't anyone done this before? Doesn't this also make forcefields kind of useless if there is an easy workaround?
 
Mando and Rogue One are similar in that they substitute any narrative substance or character with spectacle, production value and fanservice in the desperate hope that such baubles will distract the audience in sitting through the entire runtime of the story before they realize that there is no story.

Mando might even be worse in this regard, since because unlike Rogue One and its bloated emphasis on retrieving the Death Star plans, the show has virtually zero narrative utility or purpose at all: both seasons are a literal collection of side quests. The plot doesn't move for multiple episodes at a time, and the characters go places and do things literally because the show needs them to pad out the episode runtime--not because there's an overarching plot or deep-seated motivation driving any personal actions of either the protagonist, or anyone saddled with him. The show is aimless and directionless, and never exceeds the premise of "do odd job to get more fuel, to go to new place, and attain new odd job". And the only thing it does to lull the audience into complacency to this fact is shoe-horn meaningless cameos and memberberries of either OT regalia, or one-note animated characters that were already lifeless mannequins in their original show of origin. It's all there to dull you to the truth that nothing else is going on in this show. Nothing of value is brewing between the characters. No journey of growth is happening. No one will die, and when someone does you won't care, because their traits and contributions to the show's narrative outside of being quest-givers or party members are so anemic.

You might watch the first few episodes of S1, and you might be swept up in the false sense of security that this show is actually going somewhere; don't be fooled...it doesn't. Just like Rogue One and TFA, the show is designed to suck your attention one time, and not survive repeated viewings...to hoodwink you into sitting through whole seasons before you realize that you just wasted time watching 15 hours of empty characters plodding through decent production value and relentless fanservice, with nothing going on at its core.

And if you want an idea about how superficial and empty the show is, and how it would fall apart without all the slick visuals and high production values to prop it up...just look at The Book of Boba Fett. Because that is the EXACT show that Mando would be without its lavish production value...and the show it likely will be come S3, as we now live in the cost-cutting Chapek era where everything's being scaled down, and where Mando S3 will look just as cheap and ugly.

And when that happens, Mando won't have anything left, because it sure as fuck can't ride on its characters and story alone, not when both barely existed in the first place.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Its actually quite startling how similar they are in that nature, and in a way they're also similar to TFA in that they mainly just rely on excess OT nostalgia while just trying to highlight themselves on the single fact that they want to be superior to the characters they're obviously replacing while bringing nothing new to the table except a marketable new Cabbage Patch replacement.
Force Awakens had a few that slipped under the radar. How is Poe still alive after crashing the TIE Fighter and was nowhere to be found in a wide open desert? How does going at Lightspeed help get you through a protective forcefield and why hasn't anyone done this before? Doesn't this also make forcefields kind of useless if there is an easy workaround?
It is a mystery!
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Honestly that's every film in the sequel trilogy. They're all completely atrocious. Sure TROS is objectively the worst in this regard but TFA and TLJ both have dumb shit happening from scene to scene too, whether the person watching noticed the problems (and made excuses for said dumb shit) in the movies or not depended on them.
TROS has that really funny scene where rey holds the dagger that stabs her father and mother that don't even look like palpatine and goes:
"Horrible thing have happened with this dagger" while also holding Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber she's been very silent about.
 
Force Awakens had a few that slipped under the radar. How is Poe still alive after crashing the TIE Fighter and was nowhere to be found in a wide open desert? How does going at Lightspeed help get you through a protective forcefield and why hasn't anyone done this before? Doesn't this also make forcefields kind of useless if there is an easy workaround?
TBF, it wasn't THAT easy to go past the shield cycle. Han probably volunteered so that he could commit suicide and failed. It would be the first time someone tried to attempt lightspeed suicide. The second was Holdo.
 
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