Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

So today, I went to my dad's for a cup of coffee, and since he, like my mother, is paying for Disney+ (thank god I'm not) I decided to take the opportunity to finally watch the first two episodes of The Mandalorian.

It's good. REALLY good. Easily the best thing to come out of Kathleen Kennedy's Lucasfilm since Rogue One. Between this and the first Star Wars Jedi game, 2019 was a pretty good year for Star Wars fans (barring that film), wasn't it?
I would say Mando is probably the best thing to come out of Star Wars in a fairly long time, along with the recent Skywalker Saga lego game. That might seem like a backhanded compliment but I mean it sincerely.
 
Mando and Rogue One are similar in that they substitute any narrative substance or character with spectacle, production value and fanservice in the desperate hope that such baubles will distract the audience in sitting through the entire runtime of the story before they realize that there is no story.

Mando might even be worse in this regard, since because unlike Rogue One and its bloated emphasis on retrieving the Death Star plans, the show has virtually zero narrative utility or purpose at all: both seasons are a literal collection of side quests. The plot doesn't move for multiple episodes at a time, and the characters go places and do things literally because the show needs them to pad out the episode runtime--not because there's an overarching plot or deep-seated motivation driving any personal actions of either the protagonist, or anyone saddled with him. The show is aimless and directionless, and never exceeds the premise of "do odd job to get more fuel, to go to new place, and attain new odd job". And the only thing it does to lull the audience into complacency to this fact is shoe-horn meaningless cameos and memberberries of either OT regalia, or one-note animated characters that were already lifeless mannequins in their original show of origin. It's all there to dull you to the truth that nothing else is going on in this show. Nothing of value is brewing between the characters. No journey of growth is happening. No one will die, and when someone does you won't care, because their traits and contributions to the show's narrative outside of being quest-givers or party members are so anemic.

You might watch the first few episodes of S1, and you might be swept up in the false sense of security that this show is actually going somewhere; don't be fooled...it doesn't. Just like Rogue One and TFA, the show is designed to suck your attention one time, and not survive repeated viewings...to hoodwink you into sitting through whole seasons before you realize that you just wasted time watching 15 hours of empty characters plodding through decent production value and relentless fanservice, with nothing going on at its core.

And if you want an idea about how superficial and empty the show is, and how it would fall apart without all the slick visuals and high production values to prop it up...just look at The Book of Boba Fett. Because that is the EXACT show that Mando would be without its lavish production value...and the show it likely will be come S3, as we now live in the cost-cutting Chapek era where everything's being scaled down, and where Mando S3 will look just as cheap and ugly.

And when that happens, Mando won't have anything left, because it sure as fuck can't ride on its characters and story alone, not when both barely existed in the first place.
 
Mando and Rogue One are similar in that they substitute any narrative substance or character with spectacle, production value and fanservice in the desperate hope that such baubles will distract the audience in sitting through the entire runtime of the story before they realize that there is no story.

Mando might even be worse in this regard, since because unlike Rogue One and its bloated emphasis on retrieving the Death Star plans, the show has virtually zero narrative utility or purpose at all: both seasons are a literal collection of side quests. The plot doesn't move for multiple episodes at a time, and the characters go places and do things literally because the show needs them to pad out the episode runtime--not because there's an overarching plot or deep-seated motivation driving any personal actions of either the protagonist, or anyone saddled with him. The show is aimless and directionless, and never exceeds the premise of "do odd job to get more fuel, to go to new place, and attain new odd job". And the only thing it does to lull the audience into complacency to this fact is shoe-horn meaningless cameos and memberberries of either OT regalia, or one-note animated characters that were already lifeless mannequins in their original show of origin. It's all there to dull you to the truth that nothing else is going on in this show. Nothing of value is brewing between the characters. No journey of growth is happening. No one will die, and when someone does you won't care, because their traits and contributions to the show's narrative outside of being quest-givers or party members are so anemic.

You might watch the first few episodes of S1, and you might be swept up in the false sense of security that this show is actually going somewhere; don't be fooled...it doesn't. Just like Rogue One and TFA, the show is designed to suck your attention one time, and not survive repeated viewings...to hoodwink you into sitting through whole seasons before you realize that you just wasted time watching 15 hours of empty characters plodding through decent production value and relentless fanservice, with nothing going on at its core.

And if you want an idea about how superficial and empty the show is, and how it would fall apart without all the slick visuals and high production values to prop it up...just look at The Book of Boba Fett. Because that is the EXACT show that Mando would be without its lavish production value...and the show it likely will be come S3, as we now live in the cost-cutting Chapek era where everything's being scaled down, and where Mando S3 will look just as cheap and ugly.

And when that happens, Mando won't have anything left, because it sure as fuck can't ride on its characters and story alone, not when both barely existed in the first place.
I think what makes Mandalorian and Rogue One stand out is that they feel like a Star Wars story; adventure stories with a sci-fi aesthetic. Although, at least the first season of Mando qualifies before it becomes a cameo fest.
 
I think what makes Mandalorian and Rogue One stand out is that they feel like a Star Wars story; adventure stories with a sci-fi aesthetic. Although, at least the first season of Mando qualifies before it becomes a cameo fest.
I agree with you here and I will take it a step further. The OT worked so well because it was a story that would work no matter if it was Knights on horseback or cowboys on horseback or pilots in spacecraft. The ST failed because it was story (and a weak one at that) that could only exist in a SW setting. The problem is they failed at capturing the SW setting properly (if at all). So what we got was a poor story set in an improperly constructed setting, that was in many ways schizophrenic with familiar designs shoved in among unfamiliar things that looked like they came from another franchise.

Rogue One worked because it was solely a story that works only in a Star Wars setting yet the SW setting was properly realized. While aspects of the story were weak I believe we were accurately being shown "a day in the life of the SW universe" and we knew what we were seeing was SW. Mando was this same situation (until they started cramming in the filoni shit). I would argue a man protecting a child/wandering hero, is a classic storyline that works in any genre. When Mando stuck to this the show succeeded. When the show began to hinge upon dark sabres and specific character call backs is when it faltered,
 
Mando and Rogue One are similar in that they substitute any narrative substance or character with spectacle, production value and fanservice in the desperate hope that such baubles will distract the audience in sitting through the entire runtime of the story before they realize that there is no story.

Mando might even be worse in this regard, since because unlike Rogue One and its bloated emphasis on retrieving the Death Star plans, the show has virtually zero narrative utility or purpose at all: both seasons are a literal collection of side quests. The plot doesn't move for multiple episodes at a time, and the characters go places and do things literally because the show needs them to pad out the episode runtime--not because there's an overarching plot or deep-seated motivation driving any personal actions of either the protagonist, or anyone saddled with him. The show is aimless and directionless, and never exceeds the premise of "do odd job to get more fuel, to go to new place, and attain new odd job". And the only thing it does to lull the audience into complacency to this fact is shoe-horn meaningless cameos and memberberries of either OT regalia, or one-note animated characters that were already lifeless mannequins in their original show of origin. It's all there to dull you to the truth that nothing else is going on in this show. Nothing of value is brewing between the characters. No journey of growth is happening. No one will die, and when someone does you won't care, because their traits and contributions to the show's narrative outside of being quest-givers or party members are so anemic.

You might watch the first few episodes of S1, and you might be swept up in the false sense of security that this show is actually going somewhere; don't be fooled...it doesn't. Just like Rogue One and TFA, the show is designed to suck your attention one time, and not survive repeated viewings...to hoodwink you into sitting through whole seasons before you realize that you just wasted time watching 15 hours of empty characters plodding through decent production value and relentless fanservice, with nothing going on at its core.

And if you want an idea about how superficial and empty the show is, and how it would fall apart without all the slick visuals and high production values to prop it up...just look at The Book of Boba Fett. Because that is the EXACT show that Mando would be without its lavish production value...and the show it likely will be come S3, as we now live in the cost-cutting Chapek era where everything's being scaled down, and where Mando S3 will look just as cheap and ugly.

And when that happens, Mando won't have anything left, because it sure as fuck can't ride on its characters and story alone, not when both barely existed in the first place.

Its not just that nothing happens, but nothing CAN happen. All your OT memberberries get cucked and humilated before being killed in another 10 years. None of it matters and it can't ever matter.
 
Mando and Rogue One are similar in that they substitute any narrative substance or character with spectacle, production value and fanservice in the desperate hope that such baubles will distract the audience in sitting through the entire runtime of the story before they realize that there is no story.

Mando might even be worse in this regard, since because unlike Rogue One and its bloated emphasis on retrieving the Death Star plans, the show has virtually zero narrative utility or purpose at all: both seasons are a literal collection of side quests. The plot doesn't move for multiple episodes at a time, and the characters go places and do things literally because the show needs them to pad out the episode runtime--not because there's an overarching plot or deep-seated motivation driving any personal actions of either the protagonist, or anyone saddled with him. The show is aimless and directionless, and never exceeds the premise of "do odd job to get more fuel, to go to new place, and attain new odd job". And the only thing it does to lull the audience into complacency to this fact is shoe-horn meaningless cameos and memberberries of either OT regalia, or one-note animated characters that were already lifeless mannequins in their original show of origin. It's all there to dull you to the truth that nothing else is going on in this show. Nothing of value is brewing between the characters. No journey of growth is happening. No one will die, and when someone does you won't care, because their traits and contributions to the show's narrative outside of being quest-givers or party members are so anemic.

You might watch the first few episodes of S1, and you might be swept up in the false sense of security that this show is actually going somewhere; don't be fooled...it doesn't. Just like Rogue One and TFA, the show is designed to suck your attention one time, and not survive repeated viewings...to hoodwink you into sitting through whole seasons before you realize that you just wasted time watching 15 hours of empty characters plodding through decent production value and relentless fanservice, with nothing going on at its core.

And if you want an idea about how superficial and empty the show is, and how it would fall apart without all the slick visuals and high production values to prop it up...just look at The Book of Boba Fett. Because that is the EXACT show that Mando would be without its lavish production value...and the show it likely will be come S3, as we now live in the cost-cutting Chapek era where everything's being scaled down, and where Mando S3 will look just as cheap and ugly.

And when that happens, Mando won't have anything left, because it sure as fuck can't ride on its characters and story alone, not when both barely existed in the first place.
Oh, hey! A BUTTHURT HATER who rants and raves about a show "Not having an overarching plot". BITCH, THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT.

Have you ever heard of "Episodic" television? Micro arcs can happen, but episodes are usually mostly standalone so they can be enjoyed on their own.
Also, don't try to say that "The Mandalorian and The Book of Boba Fett are the same", because they most certainly AREN'T. One is an episodic adventure series. The other is an overarching miniseries starring a pre-existing character. Basically, keep your Fandom Menace bullshit away from me.
EDIT: Oh, and it's utterly sickening that OTHER retards agree with your STUPID AF opinions. Lemme guess: You're a Netflix shill. You saw no other show from the 60s, 70s, 80s, or 90s, but you think every show needs to have an overarching plot because you're obsessed with Netflix. Yeah, I'm done with you.
 
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Oh, hey! A BUTTHURT HATER who rants and raves about a show "Not having an overarching plot". BITCH, THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT.

Have you ever heard of "Episodic" television? Micro arcs can happen, but episodes are usually mostly standalone so they can be enjoyed on their own.
Also, don't try to say that "The Mandalorian and The Book of Boba Fett are the same", because they most certainly AREN'T. One is an episodic adventure series. The other is an overarching miniseries starring a pre-existing character. Basically, keep your Fandom Menace bullshit away from me.
EDIT: Oh, and it's utterly sickening that OTHER retards agree with your STUPID AF opinions. Lemme guess: You're a Netflix shill. You saw no other show from the 60s, 70s, 80s, or 90s, but you think every show needs to have an overarching plot because you're obsessed with Netflix. Yeah, I'm done with you.

Username checks out.
 
Imagine being so retarded that you go full ooga booga tribalist over your 6/10 show not being liked that you start chucking accusations of another dude being a corporate shill as you do the same thing.

I want both to burn since they're proselytizing malicious retards that rape IP and pump out shit. I actually want Netflix to burn harder fun fact because they clearly protect pedophiles given the bullshit they pushed with Cuties.
 
@5t3n0g0ph3r you are quote bugged son but:
You know what 10 year olds love? 10 minutes of a ship docking, going to a conference room, and sitting in the conference room and waiting. If you've ever been around 5 graders, you'd know they cannot get enough of that shit. Tax debates? Fuck man you should see the local playground is nothing but IRS & Tax-payers, kids out their with their Fisher-price calculators trying to bust those other kids on tax loopholes. And don't get me started on awkward "flirting" and midichlorians.

Less sarcasm version : Lucas knew for a long time his base skewed older. The "Its for children" shit rings real hollow when you see a lot of the merch that was getting pushed, he just used it to deflect criticism. Sure it should appeal to all ages, but Lucas knew how to merchandize and he wasn't just pushing toys for children.
The TPM should have been a long-form 'older audiences' mini-series for the older fans who cared about the build up. Then you start off with Clone Wars shit which would be what kids want.
This is coming from someone who's first Star Wars was "The Return of the Jedi" and during that in the first 10 minutes, we had Darth Vader docking on the Death Star and C3PO and R2 being uses as negotiation pieces for Jabba the Hutt to secure Han's release by Luke. The major point of the blockade was to find a peaceful solution so the Republic sent the Jedi, the "Keepers of the Peace, not Soldiers". But Sidious like a Sith didn't want that. During the time on the Droid space station, after the assasination attempt, Qui Gon and Obi Wan went straight to work.
 
Its not just that nothing happens, but nothing CAN happen. All your OT memberberries get cucked and humilated before being killed in another 10 years. None of it matters and it can't ever matter.
Pretty much. As much as the showrunners and producers would love to have you believe otherwise, all of these Disney+ shows are gridlocked in the same, creatively-stifled hole as all of the comics and novels. Nothing major as far as characters, world-development, or high-stakes conflict is ever going to happen in them, because they still have movies to make. People forget that Disney still has SW films lined up for 2023-2027, and they're going to save all major events and character growth for those projects...not some 10-episode show on Disney Plus.

And yes, I'm well aware that episodic TV elements like interesting one-off scenarios or neat instances of character progression are a thing to be appreciated...hell, I appreciate them, especially in stuff like Star Trek TNG and Voyager. But Blando or Boba Fatt doesn't have that either. They don't have things like Tasha Yarr's death, or Data's slow growth as a character, or Seven of Nine's lessons on humanity.

It has nothing. That's the problem. Not that nothing of large-scale is going on...that nothing is going on.

Family sitcoms on the CW network have more going in between their characters than both seasons of Armored Asshole Goes On Side-Quests, Feat. Baby Yeed.
 
Genndy made cool action action scenes, but a lot of his designs felt off to me. I think the 3D Clone Wars had much better character design, especially for characters like Grevious who seemed to fluctuate and look off to me in one scene then really cool the next.
Sorry but hard disagree, especially since the early Filoni Wars designs were literally just copying the stuff from Genndy Wars from what I could tell. Even then copying Genndy or Filoni is better than just "dude anime lmao" like Galaxy of Adventures.

By the way, I like the Battle of Scariff as much as the next guy but can we seriously stop pretending Rogue One is a good movie just because it has great cinematography and production design? The writing is absolute junk, being pretty looking and full of obnoxious fanservice doesn't fix that. It only got by on sheer novelty for being the second Star Wars flick in a decade, just like The Force Awakens.

Also no, I don't care about the Vader scene.
Oh, hey! A BUTTHURT HATER who rants and raves about a show "Not having an overarching plot". BITCH, THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT.

Have you ever heard of "Episodic" television? Micro arcs can happen, but episodes are usually mostly standalone so they can be enjoyed on their own.
Also, don't try to say that "The Mandalorian and The Book of Boba Fett are the same", because they most certainly AREN'T. One is an episodic adventure series. The other is an overarching miniseries starring a pre-existing character. Basically, keep your Fandom Menace bullshit away from me.
EDIT: Oh, and it's utterly sickening that OTHER retards agree with your STUPID AF opinions. Lemme guess: You're a Netflix shill. You saw no other show from the 60s, 70s, 80s, or 90s, but you think every show needs to have an overarching plot because you're obsessed with Netflix. Yeah, I'm done with you.
I guess since we're doing /tv/-tier baiting now, here's a (you) anon.
Just like Rogue One and TFA, the show is designed to suck your attention one time, and not survive repeated viewings...to hoodwink you into sitting through whole seasons before you realize that you just wasted time watching 15 hours of empty characters plodding through decent production value and relentless fanservice, with nothing going on at its core.
This is a really good point. Disney's Starshit has no real rewatch value. I liked the first season of Mando but I've had no inclination to go back and watch it ever again. It's the same with the movies. TFA doesn't work when you spend more than 2 minutes thinking about it and outside of muh mystery boxes (which let's admit were never interesting) the movie is boring, stupid, and completely lifeless, especially with it's forgettable action scenes. TLJ is TLJ, AKA lazy, uncreative, dogshit and TROS barely qualifies as a movie. Soylo and Rogue One sucked too. I will say this is a larger problem with Hollywood films in general though. Nothing is memorable anymore.
 
This is a really good point. Disney's Starshit has no real rewatch value. I liked the first season of Mando but I've had no inclination to go back and watch it ever again. It's the same with the movies. TFA doesn't work when you spend more than 2 minutes thinking about it and outside of muh mystery boxes (which let's admit were never interesting) the movie is boring, stupid, and completely lifeless, especially with it's forgettable action scenes. TLJ is TLJ, AKA lazy, uncreative, dogshit and TROS barely qualifies as a movie. Soylo and Rogue One sucked too. I will say this is a larger problem with Hollywood films in general though. Nothing is memorable anymore.
You nailed it. The Prequels get shit on a lot, but you can't deny the effort Lucas and company put into the action scenes. Even if you hate the pacing, acting, and story of TPM you're just lying if you say Duel of the Fates isn't well done and hella entertaining. (I'd go so far as to say it's one of Hollywood's best swordfights.)

Compare that to the bullshit in the Sequels. The Throne Room fight is the most memorable action scene and it's less than two minutes and filled with sloppy choreography and hilariously noticeable goofs. It's like Disney and KennedyFilm are embarrassed by lightsabers and cg ships and try to get it out of the way as fast as possible so we can get back to the important things like checking off ESG boxes and using awful deepfake technology to revive the dead.
 
the first two episodes of The Mandalorian
Mando really peaks in the first three episodes and then becomes a whole bunch of wasted potential.
You saw no other show from the 60s, 70s, 80s, or 90s
Those shows actually have characters.
This is a really good point. Disney's Starshit has no real rewatch value.
They're just content to bide people over until the next piece of content comes out.
 
"dude anime lmao" like Galaxy of Adventures.
I honestly don’t get an anime vibe from it. It feels more inline with 2000s western series that didn’t have outlines and were more painted-looking. Samurai Jack is probably the best example in terms of action for what I am talking about, but the style was also used for 6Teen and Stoked. I kind of missed the look.
 
It's like Disney and KennedyFilm are embarrassed by lightsabers and cg ships and try to get it out of the way as fast as possible
Its because they are, none of the retards involved in Disney Wars like Star Wars, it is why they failed to capture the feel of Star Wars, because they where trying to "fix it", they probably saw the OT and the PT and thought "THIS is what those neckbeards like? We'll show them what a REAL movie is". Add the fact that they are desperately trying to push their gay agenda and they most likely rush trough the "boring space shit" to get to the "Real important stuff"
 
can we seriously stop pretending Rogue One is a good movie just because it has great cinematography and production design? The writing is absolute junk, being pretty looking and full of obnoxious fanservice doesn't fix that.

This is something I wish people understood about so many movies besides anything with Star Wars in the title.
 
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