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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
To people more in the know, is there any merit to this? Or is this them twisting whatever the justices said to make a shitty point( my thoughts on the whole "they lied" thing)?
I don't think that's knowable (requires mind reading), but it's really not an issue. If they for some reason had to defend themselves, they could just say "I changed my mind". Alternatively, they could say they were just stating the obvious fact that it was settled law at the time, because of course it was. How could it not be? It was the standing ruling at the time, settled. It is just now being re-evaluated, or 'unsettled'.
 
To people more in the know, is there any merit to this? Or is this them twisting whatever the justices said to make a shitty point( my thoughts on the whole "they lied" thing)?
It's a twist.

They technically said they believed it was settled IIRC, however, this was before the left changed course with legality with things like the mask mandates and what not which slippery slope wise put Roe in the crosshairs. So it's more the left did stupid things, didn't think of the consequences, and are upset they didn't get their cake and get to eat it too.
 
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It's a twist.

They technically said they believed it was settled IIRC, however, this was before the left changed course with legality with things like the mask mandates and what not which slippery slope wise put Roe in the crosshairs. So it's more the left did stupid things, didn't think of the consequences, and are upset they didn't get their cake and get to eat it too.
So the Left is once again facing their immortal foe that has run roughshod over them since the Right wanted to take away their slaves?

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To people more in the know, is there any merit to this? Or is this them twisting whatever the justices said to make a shitty point( my thoughts on the whole "they lied" thing)?
It's the same deal as the Clarence Thomas nothingburger. They wanna hold impeachment show trials so they can get more pedo apologists on the bench.
 
It's a twist.

They technically said they believed it was settled IIRC, however, this was before the left changed course with legality with things like the mask mandates and what not which slippery slope wise put Roe in the crosshairs. So it's more the left did stupid things, didn't think of the consequences, and are upset they didn't get their cake and get to eat it too.
That's what happens when they ram through short-sighted legislation with no thought to the larger consequences. They had their fun for about a year and change and now the birds are coming home to roost. Oh what a tangled wed we weave.
 
To people more in the know, is there any merit to this? Or is this them twisting whatever the justices said to make a shitty point( my thoughts on the whole "they lied" thing)?
everything is settled law until suddenly it isn't
leftists are fuming because they're so used to being the ones who decide what is settled law and what is open to negotiations
>no! this can't be happening! i'm in charge here!
 
getting an abortion is awesome because you can gloat about it to make wh*te m*les angry
never getting pregnant in the first place is just boring by comparison

To really piss off a wh*te m*le, marry him, have his children, divorce him, obtain full custody of his children, get a full child support payment along with the divorce settlement, have his wages garnished, tell his kids he abandoned and probably molested them, frustrate any and all attempts he makes at contact, marry a new and better dude with improved penis, have the kids call him dad, change the kids’ names, move state without a forwarding address.

Just getting an abortion by the wh*te m*le is low tier shit. That only angers incels who will never obtain a bangmaid fuckmommy of their very own. Full life ruination of the normie is within your grasp once you realise you can obtain his economic productivity without putting up with his whining ass.
 
Looks like it is time to start suicide-risking lefties who glowpost on Reddit again. Report them as a threat to themselves and report the post for inciting violence. Pisses them off to the extreme.
 
everything is settled law until suddenly it isn't
leftists are fuming because they're so used to being the ones who decide what is settled law and what is open to negotiations
>no! this can't be happening! i'm in charge here!
Also, I believe Sotomayor said she accepted the Heller decision in her confirmation hearing, but later changed her mind on it during McDonald v. Chicago (its state-level equivalent).
 
Are the femoids going to riot on Capitol Hill in minecraft now?

They fucking better. I want to see some fire
Don't be gullible. We're going to have a fine collection of RektFeministVideos-worthy college campus meltdowns, a handful of Crowder change-my-mind provocation circlejerks and a Kony2012-grade slacktivism campaign. Also a lot of GoFundMe moneysinks for the latter. It's hard to imagine rioting after the Rittenhouse precedent, but I wouldn't mind if some SJW hamplanets and their satellite got crowdcontrolled.
 
On Abortion and Racial Minorities.
There are a lot of hysterics and uninformed persons in this thread that think that Roe being overturned and bans going through in red states is going to mean that we are going to be facing Niggerpocalypse on The Planet Of The Apes. I am of the opinion that this is not going to be the case for several reasons I will outline below.
1. Niggers are enabled mainly by White Democrats, White Democrat females are going to be sterilizing themselves by the hundreds if not thousands in the near future as a result of Roe being overturned. Sterilized democrat wombs mean no democrat children which means no future voters to enable Niggers.
2. When Roe is overturned it will not make Abortion federally Illegal but leave it up to the states to decide their own polices. Niggers will simply travel to Blue states to dispose of their spawn.
3. Assuming a federal ban comes, there is always the option of libshit orgs organizing trips to Canada or Mexico. There will also be ye olde pre-Roe methods available.
4. Roe has definitely kept the Nigger population in check by preventing Millions of unwanted, unloved angry Nigger bucks from being born. As you know Nigger Bucks just love to kill each other, so in 20 years expect black male murder rates to reach or potentially even exceed levels not seen since the Crack Wars. Just think about it, millions of extra Niggers all penned up in their concrete jungles killing each other and Nigger bystanders. This means teenage Niggers will kill other teenage Niggers before they can reproduce while the the murdering Niggers go to prison where they also cannot reproduce.
5. Birth rates are decreasing overall for a variety of reasons.
6. Banning Abortion along with other policy implementations will help keep red states red through discouraging democrat migrations, promoting a small amount of democrat flight and energizing republican bases to allow their lawmakers to gain more power.
 
If you don't have a penis, you shouldn't talk about rape.
And if you don't own guns.....

The "only women can have a say on abortion" argument is the height of arrogance and patronizing, it also completely ignores if not delegitimizes women's suffrage.

Aren't the same legislators elected by women?
 
And if you don't own guns.....

The "only women can have a say on abortion" argument is the height if arrogance and ignores if not delegitimizes women's sufferage.

Aren't the same legislators elected by women?
What's excellent about only women being allowed to have a say; is no one, to include the newest Supreme Court Justice knows how to identify/describe/etc a woman. So we're either all women or no one is. What a tangled web of retardation the progressives weave.
 
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