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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
Some of you guys just let HHH live in your head rent free. He's just a retard spewing retarded opinions on a retarded forum about retards. Just send him a humorous response and move on, no reason to take him so seriously.
Spouting the same bait and watching the same tards shitfling at each other get's boring after its been done for the 93838382# time, at least change the pasta from vaccines to abortion, or just do something different for once like @snailslime
 
This will all be so awkward in a couple months if/when they decide not to overturn Roe v. Wade.
Their hands are tied, now. If they change their minds, they're going to have to deal with the friction of Red states going the Sanctuary City route and starting to disobey SC decisions because they think the court has been corrupted/intimidated into control.
 
Lily Thompson sounds like he might actually be planning to hurt people. He is also a troon who thinks people who do not validate transhood should be targets of violence and organized harassment campaigns.

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One of the reasons I'm firmly against gun control is 41% could very well become 81% or more.

For serious though, really would not be surprised if this headcase did end up committing not alive eventually.
 
So a fun argument I heard today when I pointed out the several dozen birth control methods still available even if this happens was, no shit, "well, they don't always work".

It took everything I had not to laugh out loud very hard given how much of my life I was preached to about the evils of right wing evangelical propaganda about birth control not working. :story:
 
Lily Thompson sounds like he might actually be planning to hurt people. He is also a troon who thinks people who do not validate transhood should be targets of violence and organized harassment campaigns.

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Only on Twitter could someone post like this and not be banned for advocating terrorism. Disgusting
 
Lily Thompson sounds like he might actually be planning to hurt people. He is also a troon who thinks people who do not validate transhood should be targets of violence and organized harassment campaigns.

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Why is a troon so upset about abortion rights? Aside from the ridiculus statement of "use cash to buy a weapon" do they think guns are untracable? Or that gun store owners don't do background checks? They can thank themselves for laws like that.

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Lily Thompson sounds like he might actually be planning to hurt people. He is also a troon who thinks people who do not validate transhood should be targets of violence and organized harassment campaigns.

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"Women" who are called Lily or Lilith are psychos.
 
Their hands are tied, now. If they change their minds, they're going to have to deal with the friction of Red states going the Sanctuary City route and starting to disobey SC decisions because they think the court has been corrupted/intimidated into control.
Red or Blue, you get to the heart of the matter. This should never have been in the SC the first time around.

States rights for weed? States rights for abortion.
My body, my choice or mandatory vaccinations for all?

The crux of the matter is that certain groups will wait until the time is favorable for them to push an agenda through the national court because they know that the only way they get what they want is by mandate (legislating from the bench, executive overreach, etc).

The real problem is that BOTH side do it and both are responsible for the destruction that follows. Prohibition was a good example.
 
I've been seeing a lot of people subtly hint they should use violence to accomplish "reinstating Roe v Wade". Fuck I've been watching Hasanabi all day freak the fuck out. At one point he said something along the lines of "voting doesn't work there's one other thing we can do but if I say it I'll lose my job."

At the very least the next few months are going to be interesting. I wonder if they will get tips from the Irish, I'll make sure to check under my car daily.
There was a car bombing in Portland last month- early am at a grocery store in a nice middle class burb- that mysteriously disappeared from the news right after it happened. No way to know if it was political or personal or what, but I definitely took note after all the other fuckery since the Floyd riots.

Washington County Sheriff’s Det. Mark Povolny talked to KOIN 6 News about the case.

“The car owner had been letting a friend use the car and it was parked there while he was waiting to get it back. So it wasn’t a stolen car, wasn’t abandoned,” he said. “Just had been parked there for a little bit while the owner was going to retrieve it.”

Odd stuff.

You absolute nitwit, he is the sole financial support of the household. (Never be a stay at home mum.) Telling him “oh no I no fucky fucky any more” might work where you are, but in reality, you have to keep a man sweet if you want to keep the flow of grocery money coming and the heating on. I do not live in the magical world of Twitter college debate where enthusiastic consent is a thing, the guy cares if you enjoy it, and a raised eyebrow sends a man scurrying out of your bedroom. I have hungry kids and a spouse who is perfectly willing to leverage their needs to get his wants met. No, it isn’t what I hoped marriage would be, but few marriages are. The kids are better off here than in poverty with just me. Some day that equation will change, but right now the numbers are unworkable. It is what it is.

I had my post-bloodbath PTSD very successfully treated, thanks, although I detect a lack of sincerity in your concern. I have no fear of my ragged reproductive system. I just have a bunch of kids to bring up and it will be difficult to do that if I die, so I need it to stfu. I am quite at peace with my friend Mirena. I had a problem and I handled it. I took responsibility for the problem, and nature will hopefully deal with the rest in a couple of decades.

Look, I don’t want to be too hard faced. I know you have a different lived experience than me, and I realise that gives you different views. Things aren’t very black and white most of the time. You make compromises with other people, but most of all yourself, to keep going. Do I feel morally superior or personally content with these compromises? Do I fuck. Do I put my personal icky sad feewingz above securing the welfare of my children? I do not, because I am their mother, and they are my first priority, not me. You do the best you can with what you are given, and you pray for the strength to keep going.

Terfs become terfs due to their absolute shit-tier man-choosing skills. They believe all men are emotionally callous, sexually rapacious tyrants because those are the men they shack up with. I'm not a social worker and your total incompetence in mate-finding is not my problem to solve, nor is it a compelling issue to take into consideration while devising public policy. Most of all, it's not a good reason for killing babies. Oh well.
 
I mean, the problem with getting violent is it'll really fuck away the last things the democrats have as "better than when trump was around". Return to Normalcy will be dead as a platform and they'll perform a breach all too equivocable to Jan 6.

Speaking of, there's a weird absence of on the group reporting about what's happening on the front steps. What's going on?
 
There was a car bombing in Portland last month- early am at a grocery store in a nice middle class burb- that mysteriously disappeared from the news right after it happened. No way to know if it was political or personal or what, but I definitely took note after all the other fuckery since the Floyd riots.



Odd stuff.



Terfs become terfs due to their absolute shit-tier man-choosing skills. They believe all men are emotionally callous, sexually rapacious tyrants because those are the men they shack up with. I'm not a social worker and your total incompetence in mate-finding is not my problem to solve, nor is it a compelling issue to take into consideration while devising public policy. Most of all, it's not a good reason for killing babies. Oh well.

Why the fuck would it be in any way your problem, or a foundation for public policy? That came straight out of left field.
 
All the wailing about "the Supreme Court abortion ban" just tells me not a one of them knows the first thing about what is going on. The Supreme Court isn't banning anything, they're just telling you the dodgy political decision that the constitution totally gave a unaligned right to abortion was nonsense.

You think electing a Democrat government to enshrine abortion in the law/constitution is somehow a massive "conservatives owned" moment but it really isn't. It's the way the system is supposed to work. If you get enough people winning on that platform then that is how the whole voting thing is supposed to work. Not having a bunch of judges suddenly decide what the law is on a matter.

I doubt we'll get 2020 levels of habbening from this. The only people pissed off are a bunch of college kids, wine aunts and soy guzzlers. Ghetto niggs don't give a fuck so aren't about to chimp out over it, without those to hide behind when the cops show up the college kiddies aren't going to do shit but cry on reddit.
so judges on the previous case and the ones giving the minority opinion on this aren't qualified. just these 5 faggots know the law of the world
 
Why the fuck would it be in any way your problem, or a foundation for public policy? That came straight out of left field.
Why sperg about your miserable marriage and difficult pregnancies in an abortion thread if it was not being held up as some kind of Exhibit A?

The fact that some women have trouble saying "no" because money or whatever is not a good reason to keep legal abortion. It appeared you were insinuating it was.
 
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