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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
Most importantly, there's a wikipedia sanctioned list of events for this. So this is all the autism of the internet combined to come up with that list.

Something tells me there is not a similar list of other acts of violence in furtherance of certain specific political goals...
Methinks this smells of Orangemen. Like how they insinuate that the IRA did anything wrong. /sneed
 
No. It wouldn't. Because no matter how much I would want to cap the guy, I would never do it in a church. That is dishonorable and sacrilegious. In all seriousness though, I highly doubt that anti-abortion violence is of any value since it just alienates us and makes the movement look bad. I mean I can understand a desperate father going all John Wick to try and save his kid. I know I'd either do that or die trying if I was in that situation. But other than that, it does more harm than good and should be condemned.
You have the moral right, here, and in principle I do agree with you. Intellectually, I can't disagree at all.

Emotionally, I have not been "reasonable" about any of this since David Daleiden's tapes started releasing in 2015. I'd previously thought these people were well-meaning but wrong, people who didn't have the same beliefs I have about human life or God or so forth. But after that point, the illusion was dead. All I could see was ghouls who would vivisect a little girl and sell her organs out of her still twitching body, then laugh about it over lunch in an expensive restaurant.
 
Had to listen to someone irl today reeing about how this is "openly fascist" (somehow) and the government (no idea if they meant the president or congress or what) should have the ability to immediately fire/go after any supreme court justices that harbor "violent ideas that will lead to deaths".

All I could hear is them saying "YES DADDY GOVERNMENT. YOU TAKE MORE POWER! TAKE ALL THE POWER AS LONG AS YOU PROMISE TO SUPPORT THE THING I LIKE!"

Me thinks bitches need to calm down until a bit instead of knee jerk reactions. I have to say it is amazing to behold people who bitch about how the government is bad and evil and needs to be resisted, to throwing themselves on the ground in order to lick fed boots in order to get their way.

I should also mention that this was a dude throwing this fit which is extra. :story:
I know a gay guy throwing a fit because "this sets a precedent for the SCOTUS undoing established law. The leak doesn't matter because undoing established law that is the will of the people already ruins their reputation."

Also he said some retarded shit about this being the precedent to go after gay marriage next, idk couldn't be fucked to read anymore at that point. Can't believe I ever used to support these histrionic narcissists.
 
No. It wouldn't. Because no matter how much I would want to cap the guy, I would never do it in a church. That is dishonorable and sacrilegious. In all seriousness though, I highly doubt that anti-abortion violence is of any value since it just alienates us and makes the movement look bad. I mean I can understand a desperate father going all John Wick to try and save his kid. I know I'd either do that or die trying if I was in that situation. But other than that, it does more harm than good and should be condemned.

Idk man, assassinating someone in a church would be pretty kino when they get around to making your Netflix biography movie down the road. Just make sure to wear something out of the Matrix and be blasting Ave Maria when you do it.
 
I know a gay guy throwing a fit because "this sets a precedent for the SCOTUS undoing established law. The leak doesn't matter because undoing established law that is the will of the people already ruins their reputation."
You know, I complain a lot about the rank incompetence of government, but then when you start to talk to the public you realize it's a wonder it works as well as it does.
 
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I’m actually okay with this. It’s too bad the death penalty isn’t just automatically applied to convicted rapists though. That would be my ideal justice system.
 

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I’m actually okay with this. It’s too bad the death penalty isn’t just automatically applied to convicted rapists though. That would be my ideal justice system.
It's amazing, her eyes must only be a few pixels in that small picture of her but I can see the crazy in them as plain as if she was standing right in front of me.
 
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I’m actually okay with this. It’s too bad the death penalty isn’t just automatically applied to convicted rapists though. That would be my ideal justice system.
I love how they think this shit is some kind of big own on us. Yeah man I wanna shoot rapists too, who doesn't? "Wellllll how about if someone gets a lady pregnant he has to marry her and pay for diapers and formula and entertain the kid after work and and and they have to go on vacation to the beach every summer and have boring vanilla sex in the hotel room! HOW ABOUT THAT??" Sounds great where do we sign up.
 
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Yeah, this doesn’t sound unreasonable so long as cases are proven beyond a reasonable doubt and, in the event a case is overturned due to prosecutorial misconduct or the claimant recanting/being exposed as lying, everyone involved in conspiring against the innocent man is also castrated/gets a hysterectomy
 
as the lead's somewhat been buried, I'll top people up on the basics as we near page 100:

Ruling is believed to be 5/4, with Alito writing the given draft. Leaker is believed to be Amit Jain, a clerk of Sotomayor, but there's no real basis for who yet.

People in the system itself are more horrified about the leak occurring than the contents. It really does ratfuck the integrity of the Supreme court, who has never had a leak like this before. Roberts in particular is believed to be very pissed, as this may sink the image he has of the Supreme Court being above this kind of bullshit.

General suspicion is that it was leaked to lather up the democrat base in a frenzy. Effectiveness is pending, but general opinion is that's it's way too early and the economy is still in the shitter, so the effect will be muted at best.

To those who don't know, this doesn't outlaw abortion - certainly doesn't on a federal level - it makes abortion access a state issue, not a federal one. I believe about 20 states have "trigger laws" prepared for this exact eventuality, some for more, some for less.
Honestly this seems like it is more of a massive problem than the abortion thing. Its like everyone is pointing and kvetching about the glass of spilt milk and ignoring the rampaging monkey throwing shit everywhere and punching holes in the walls.

Can you imagine the shit hitting the fan scenario if it turns out the leaker did this because of "muh morals" or even worse, done purely for political reasons (gotta re-energize the base to try to get grandpa's poll numbers out of the toilet)? Hell what if it was leaked just so MSM had a new shiny situation in order to more eyes on text or some other retarded 4th reason?

God forbid any violence does result from this bullshit. The leaker might have just opened Pandora's box, or at least a kettle of worms and potentially just did irreparable damage to SCOTUS over this shit.
 
Wait hold up hold up. What?
Eric Robert Rudolf. The guy who bombed the Atlanta Olympics. Also liked bombing abortion clinics. It took the Feds quite a few years to hunt down his dumpster diving ass.

He also rigged his last abortion clinic bombing with a second external bomb set to go off and maim Fire and First Responders. Truly a stunning specimen of the horseshoe theory of morality.
 
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I know a gay guy throwing a fit because "this sets a precedent for the SCOTUS undoing established law. The leak doesn't matter because undoing established law that is the will of the people already ruins their reputation."

Also he said some retarded shit about this being the precedent to go after gay marriage next, idk couldn't be fucked to read anymore at that point. Can't believe I ever used to support these histrionic narcissists.
The foundation of Obergefell is based on the reasoning used in Loving the foundation for Roe is based on nothing.
 
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