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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
They really were like "I feel icky about killing a fetus like ... mid-pregnancy, REAL BAD about it later, and sorta fine with it early. Gentlemen, these are the new rules."

Just a trashfire.
I had thought at least it was based on the (now obsolete) medical classification based on mid-century OB technology. But nope. Literally made up by lawyers. No grounding in either current or historical medical facts. Astonishing.
 
You never know. They could be charged in their home state once their doctor finds out they had an abortion on their medical records.
The problem remains two fold: One: An abortion is merely an action. Unlike the contraband items which you are not only doing an action (obtaining the item) but also taking it with you. With abortion you are merely getting a medical procedure, losing an item (le fetus) and going back. Two: This would cause major legal issues and battles. It's complicated enough when people hijack cars and cross state lines who gets jurisdiction, but then you'd have dumb crap like where a small town shares two borders with different states and deciding if they can even prosecute.

Now two may not seem like that big of a deal, but it would start to need compounded legislation and other theatrics that would start to piss off a majority of people effected by it.

The only way I see that happening is if republicans (GOP primarily) politicians go full retard to try and jeopardize themselves so I won't completely rule it out, but it's still heavily unlikely.

Personally I see it like ordering an item let's say a weapon from overseas, it going through a state where it's banned and then crossing state lines to your house in another state. You didn't buy the item in that state so even though customs will more than likely have it documented that the item crossed through said state to your state, they can't arrest you or have you charged just because the item is formally illegal to purchase within that states borders it traveled as you didn't buy it there. (Or in reverse you didn't get an abortion in the state that it was illegal within in question)
 
Pro-lifers: Oh no! My poor murdered unborn angel!
[People proceed to abandon their unwanted kids]
Pro-lifers: Abandoned kids? Overflowing orphanages? Not my problem lol
This argument only makes sense if you ignore the responsibility element. The people getting an abortion often don't use protection or alternatives before just having raw sex and getting knocked up. You can make the claim that they did use protection for about 5-10% of abortions (and that's being generous) but the other 90-95%? Even harder to argue is that hospitals will give birth control for free often, and low cost birth control is easily affordable by the most poor citizens (or at least it used to be)

It's not the pro-lifers fault the pro-choice person can't act like a responsible adult, however it can force them to reconsider their actions and act responsibly instead of trying to emulate dat porn star life. Also many pro-lifers would adopt even more children if adoption agencies didn't make it a three ring circus to adopt. It's also not the pro-lifer who may not want to have to fund an irresponsible prat's abortion out of his/her tax money since more often than not the abortion-bound don't finance their own with a few exceptions (The elite cases)

Pro-choicers: "It's about my health! I should be able to have that option as a responsible adult.
[Pro-choicers proceed to ignore responsible alternatives and options]
Pro-Choicer: Hee Hee! I don't need to be responsible when big daddy government will just fund my irresponsible decisions.
 
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From "Safe, Legal, and Rare" to a sexual Sacrament.

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They really don't understand that this attitude of theirs is exactly what led to all of the new abortion restriction laws and, ultimately, this challenge that will probably lead to overturning Roe.
 
Already brought up earlier in the thread, but pro-lifers and men adopt twice as often as pro-choices and women. They just care about children more all around.
If they adopt at such a high rate, why are there half a million foster kids left across US?

It's not the pro-lifers fault the pro-choice person can't act like a responsible adult, however it can force them to reconsider their actions and act responsibly instead of trying to emulate dat porn star life
People have been reckless since the dawn of time. Read any historical book and you'd be shocked at how many people in the middle ages, when everyone was a fervent Christian, casually left their babies on the side of the streets
That's why laws and law enforcement exist for example, if everyone was a utopian resident with common sense we wouldn't need them. Sadly society is filled with crooks
 
People have been reckless since the dawn of time. Read any historical book and you'd be shocked at how many people in the middle ages, when everyone was a fervent Christian, casually left their babies on the side of the streets
That's why laws and law enforcement exist for example, if everyone was a utopian resident with common sense we wouldn't need them. Sadly society is filled with crooks
People have been killing each other since the dawn of time, so I guess since historically it's always been a thing we shouldn't make it illegal. Murder should be legal because people are murderous nutjobs. Also in regards to the Christianity thing most people who take the label Christian just aren't people always join power structures for benefits. so I don't see it as relevant. (Note: If you weren't actually posing that as a counter argument, then nevermind)


That's exactly a point for pro-life not pro-choice at the bottom. The more crooks I stop from stealing my tax money for idiotic things that were easily fixable or preventable the better. I can't stop all things everyone already knows politicians do this all the time, but I can stop some low level riff-raff from doing that. If I can allow states to stop the irresponsible or at least put a collar around their neck and stop some amount I'm cool with that.
 
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Not wanting to murder your own children is a pretty fundamental human thing. It's why our primitive ancestors didn't wipe themselves out by strangling all their babies because "little grug make loud sound". Grug understand that baby big responsibility, but only one way to make tribe grow strong.

Human sacrifice always existed but it wasn't until (((certain peoples))) started getting naughty that children were "passed through the fire".
You sweet retarded summer child.

Infanticide is not even rare in the modern let alone back in the day.
Human history is littered with stories of people killing their children for all kinds of reasons. Economic, Religious, Cultural, and a host of reasons.
 
People have been killing each other since the dawn of time, so I guess since historically it's always been a thing we shouldn't make it illegal.
That's what I am arguing for, abandoning children is bad and what will happen in case of a ban on abortion.
The more crooks I stop from stealing my tax money for idiotic things that were easily fixable or preventable the better.
You don't mind if more of your tax money was spent on children in group homes instead of just one abortion?
 
That's what I am arguing for, abandoning children is bad and what will happen in case of a ban on abortion.

You don't mind if more of your tax money was spent on children in group homes instead of just one abortion?
If adoption agencies and the laws regulating them made it easier to adopt more people would. Some of the restrictions or "qualifications" are so bizarre and demanding that it is rare that many people can even qualify to adopt in the first place. Fix that, then your issue will be at least resolved to a better degree. Leaving it as is even without this reform will not change the adoption issue within the US let alone other western countries. It's actually why some parents adopt children outside the US due to those restrictions and demands to be qualified.
 
Personally I see it like ordering an item let's say a weapon from overseas, it going through a state where it's banned and then crossing state lines to your house in another state. You didn't buy the item in that state so even though customs will more than likely have it documented that the item crossed through said state to your state, they can't arrest you or have you charged just because the item is formally illegal to purchase within that states borders it traveled as you didn't buy it there. (Or in reverse you didn't get an abortion in the state that it was illegal within in question)
That is a good example, but I’d change it slightly. 30 round magazines are illegal in California but completely unrestricted in neighboring Arizona and Californians can and do drive there to buy them. The key difference with abortion is that after you buy a banned item, you still have the item and they charge you for possession, not for the legal out-of-state purchase. There really isn’t any analogue to possession for abortion, so I doubt they’ll try to make it illegal to get an abortion out-of-state. Most anti-abortion laws target the doctors and view the women as victims of circumstance rather than cold-blooded murderers.
 
That is a good example, but I’d change it slightly. 30 round magazines are illegal in California but completely unrestricted in neighboring Arizona and Californians can and do drive there to buy them. The key difference with abortion is that after you buy a banned item, you still have the item and they charge you for possession, not for the legal out-of-state purchase.
the difference is that the political elite likes abortions and hates citizens with guns. thats why the courts ignored alot of stuff like all the clearly illegal gun bans all around the US.
 
Huh, that post looks awfully familiar, reminds me of a certain crazy fujo, who surprisingly hasn't appeared yet.
Probably fucking her reptiles, since I doubt she owns anything so needy as a dog given her insanity.
Never be shocked at the degeneracy of the French, it's fucking genetic with them or something. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure the last French woman who wasn't a degenerate united the country in kicking English and Burgundian ass and she got burnt at the stake for her trouble.
By the English, not her own countrymen. Her own countrymen then got so righteously pissed at the English for doing that they BTFO'd them all the way across the Channel to cope and seethe for centuries. Just felt the need to point that out.
Don't be gullible. We're going to have a fine collection of RektFeministVideos-worthy college campus meltdowns, a handful of Crowder change-my-mind provocation circlejerks and a Kony2012-grade slacktivism campaign. Also a lot of GoFundMe moneysinks for the latter. It's hard to imagine rioting after the Rittenhouse precedent, but I wouldn't mind if some SJW hamplanets and their satellite got crowdcontrolled.
Going to need at least .308 for a clean kill given the size of some of those hambeasts out there. Its cruel to make animals suffer unnecessarily.
[REPEATED NONSENSE WORDS]
Christ, at least the other retarded sperg who shall not be named at least says unique things in order to keep his logorrhea going unlike the Hulkster.
Agreed, we'll use the industrial furnace and wood chipper next go round.

Oh and Das Flamenwherfer
Das Schwererflammenwerfer I hope.
By the time you make it to the end the end will run away again...
Christ, don't remind me... I started when it was 50 pages and in less than a day its doubled.
"Muh don't judge me!"

Ahh, the favorite verse of the guilty and unrepentant.

It's not "judging", sugarnips. It's what your camp calls "Holding You Accountable™️".
Freedom from religion doesn't mean freedom from consequences.
I know one late term butcher got shot in his (pozzed, comically heretical) church. Another got shot at home.

This appears to be a comprehensive list of everything the pro aborts can reasonably or unreasonably claim to be an attack on their premises.

Given the emotional valence of the topic and the length of time it has been a point of contention, it doesn't amount to much.
In the United States, violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eleven people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, a police officer, two people (unclear of their connection), and a clinic escort.[I 16][I 17] Seven murders occurred in the 1990s.[I 18]
Wow, a mere eleven murders in how many decades? I wonder what the Left's track record is there given the violence of the 60's and 70's...
It's amazing, her eyes must only be a few pixels in that small picture of her but I can see the crazy in them as plain as if she was standing right in front of me.
Surprised you see anything there. All I see is a dark abyss. Not even a void, but such an absence of anything not even a void exists. Like a shallow pond of nothing, more like.
eta some justices write their own opinions and direct their clerks to do the requisite research to support their opinion, review it, send it back with instructions or approve, and then its circulated. Midwits like Sotomayor have their clerks write them. I hear Thomas doesn't write his either but he's more involved than our wise fatty.
What generally happens is the justices hear arguments and read the written briefs, and ask their clerks to do further research on the arguments and cited law and precedent, and then they base their decision on that presented information. They then work with their clerks to write up a full, formal opinion. Depending on the quality of the justice, like say, Alito or Thomas, a clerk is primarily there to confirm what the judge already knows or guessed, and serve as a reminder for minutiae they may have forgotten. Actual writing is up to the clerks because opinions are fucking big, but with a quality justice like the above they're basically serving as typists for their boss, who will explain the what, why, and how of their argument in precise detail, citing both existing law and their own logical thought processes: "This is what they said, this is why I agree/disagree, here's my own citations and arguments, now go write all that up." With Sotomayor, its pretty much guaranteed so long as the clerk says something that agrees with her, they're largely left alone to research and write the whole damn thing.
 
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