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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
If we look further back, I think the Wise Latina and Scalia were considered exceptional justices, right?

I find it funny no one mentioned Breyer here, but iirc he's pretty middle of the road with a really bad living constitution leaning.
Scalia certainly was and RGB was as well. The Puerto Rican fatty was a diversity hire; no one has ever cited her long list of stellar legal opinions when she was elevated to the highest court in the country by Obongo. Biden's negro diversity hire couldn't even tell you what is a woman even though she is one herself.
 
Scalia certainly was and RGB was as well. The Puerto Rican fatty was a diversity hire; no one has ever cited her long list of stellar legal opinions when she was elevated to the highest court in the country by Obongo. Biden's negro diversity hire couldn't even tell you what is a woman even though she is one herself.
Scalia was a fucking genius and while I don’t like any of RGB’s opinions I have to admit she was a genius in her own right. I mean at least back then, sure Supreme Court picks were politicized but we got good talent regardless. I genuinely fear how much both sides have politicized the court to the point where we get Sotomayor and Jackson (I think that’s the newbie).
 
the heretical reform jews have lady rabbis.
One of the funniest videos I saw was supposed to be propaganda against ultra Orthodox Jews that oppose Zionism. It was done by Vox or some other vapid media site. The main narrator was a female Jew and it’d frequently cut to her talking to a female rabbi whose argument basically boiled down to an appeal to emotions and saying ‘religion is like so fun to read about and like totally symbolic.’ Then they’d interview the ultra orthodox rabbi who would actually cite their scriptures and explain logically why they don’t support Zionism, why they strictly observe the sabbath, and the tenants of their religion. The ultra orthodox rabbi was labeled as an extremist because he actually believed in his religion and following its tenants.

The narrator was puzzled and pissed that the ultra orthodox rabbi called her out for her perceived victimhood and not adhering to the sabbath. And she was beyond infuriated that they burned Israeli flags and sided with the Palestinians. If I recall correctly he was also opposed to abortions and gay rights. Needless to say I left the video a lot more sympathetic than I was before because he was well spoken and used logic while his critics appealed to emotion.

Scalia was a fucking genius and while I don’t like any of RGB’s opinions I have to admit she was a genius in her own right. I mean at least back then, sure Supreme Court picks were politicized but we got good talent regardless. I genuinely fear how much both sides have politicized the court to the point where we get Sotomayor and Jackson (I think that’s the newbie).
She’s much smarter than Obamas diversity pick. That’s not saying much to be honest.
 
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With the new Pfizer data dump that just came out i don't know why all these roasties are so upset. Abortion will still be available nationwide, they've just changed the name, now you go to the hospital and ask for "a covid 19 vaccine, please" and they'll get you set right up.
 
Completely incorrect. They absolutely are organised and the timing is no accident.
Look, frankly it doesn’t matter at this point. We first and foremost need to figure out how to keep the country together while not compromising the ruling. Then we can find out what the hell happened and how it happened.
 
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Oh damn. Apparently that Libtard Hollywood Hulk Hogan got himself threadbanned. The fuck did I miss?
He was apparently doubleposting like a motherfucker.
I fully support this because I sincerely feel sorry for this man and think he needs a hug.
I think he needs mood stabilizers. Granted, he’s probably overmedicated as is.
 
the solution to this is to treat child abandonment as a major crime and throw the people who do it into jail
we already do this to deadbeat dads who skip on child support, no reason not to expand that sort of treatment it to shithead mothers like that

Side note, but:

The main policy reason most jurisdictions don’t prosecute child abandonment is to incentivise ‘safe surrender’. Most developed nations have some type of ‘foundling’ provision in the law whereby leaving a baby or small child in safe (and generally well publicised) circumstances doesn’t incur legal penalty, but is instead treated as a welfare issue.

The classic example is the chaotic drug user who walks out of the postnatal ward without the baby. In my jurisdiction, this is treated as a voluntary surrender for the civil child protection proceedings, but it is not a crime here in those circumstances. It is not child abandonment in criminal terms here to leave to leave the child somewhere reasonably appropriate where they are likely to be found quickly. (e.g. leaving the baby on the police station steps and running off is not a crime, but hiding them under a bush in the park in the middle of the night absolutely is.)

The received wisdom is that most abandonments, especially of neonates, occur against a background of serious mental health/psychological problems, and the point of safe surrender laws is therefore to incentivise mothers who have had some kind of total breakdown to leave the baby somewhere safe, warm, and where they will be quickly found, as opposed to yeeting them in the nearest pond. I do not know of any source that evidences this contention. But there is a sort of general belief in child protection that safe surrender works.

You can absolutely get done for child abandonment in other circumstances, though. I once dealt with a truly jaw dropping case where the mother got herself a last minute bargain deal to Alicante, and before leaving the house, locked two kids under seven in there with the advice she would be back in a fortnight. Legitimately outrageous things happen all the time.
 
Side note, but:

The main policy reason most jurisdictions don’t prosecute child abandonment is to incentivise ‘safe surrender’. Most developed nations have some type of ‘foundling’ provision in the law whereby leaving a baby or small child in safe (and generally well publicised) circumstances doesn’t incur legal penalty, but is instead treated as a welfare issue.

The classic example is the chaotic drug user who walks out of the postnatal ward without the baby. In my jurisdiction, this is treated as a voluntary surrender for the civil child protection proceedings, but it is not a crime here in those circumstances. It is not child abandonment in criminal terms here to leave to leave the child somewhere reasonably appropriate where they are likely to be found quickly. (e.g. leaving the baby on the police station steps and running off is not a crime, but hiding them under a bush in the park in the middle of the night absolutely is.)

The received wisdom is that most abandonments, especially of neonates, occur against a background of serious mental health/psychological problems, and the point of safe surrender laws is therefore to incentivise mothers who have had some kind of total breakdown to leave the baby somewhere safe, warm, and where they will be quickly found, as opposed to yeeting them in the nearest pond. I do not know of any source that evidences this contention. But there is a sort of general belief in child protection that safe surrender works.

You can absolutely get done for child abandonment in other circumstances, though. I once dealt with a truly jaw dropping case where the mother got herself a last minute bargain deal to Alicante, and before leaving the house, locked two kids under seven in there with the advice she would be back in a fortnight. Legitimately outrageous things happen all the time.
Yeah I once saw a video of some dumpster divers inadvertently saving a baby’s life because the baby was dumped and by some miracle they dived shortly after the dump and thankfully the kid lived. There’s a clear difference between safe abandonment and what that bitch did. So while I wouldn’t be opposed to stricter laws against child abandonment, you’d have to specify that it’s unsafe child abandonment that is being dealt with.
 
I have proceeded on the basis of child abandonment before, but pretty much everything that would be covered by abandonment is covered by whatever facts you’re going to use to prove the child neglect case, or the child endangerment case, or specific assaults or incidents of abuse against the child. Alicante woman undoubtedly abandoned the kids, but the neglect and abuse narration of facts went much wider and deeper than that, so the abandonment wasn’t the headline charge, so to speak. The endangerment was pretty much put through on the nod, the facts being admitted there. The kids luckily were uninjured physically: the eldest fortunately had been shown how to call 999 in school and raised the alarm from the house phone
 
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There are many valid arguments for being pro-choice but the situation is very grey. This issue isn't as clear cut as a right to fair trial or to not undergo cruel and unjust punishment. That is where the pro-choice advocates have fucked up over the past 20 years or so. The original compromise was "Safe, rare and legal" which acknowledged that there were circumstances where abortion would be excusable if not preferable.

However as time as elapsed it has become ever more transparent that the pro-choice see abortion as an inalienable human right, which shall not be infringed. This naturally pisses a lot of people off and makes them reconsider their original positions. To add insult to injury, they will advance abortion rights in terms of "absolute bodily autonomy" some going as far to declare post birth abortion moral and to then contradict such a right when it does not benefit women directly. Two good examples of this would be the insistence that fathers (biological or not) pay for the child regardless of their desires and most recently the mandating of a vaccination that could inflict harm on those that take it.

The combination of those two have probably alienated enough fence sitters that come midterms and 24, this issue will do little to nothing to galvanize support for the Democrats. Essentially, you have made a position that most people could accept (even if some reluctantly) a position that a lot if not most will relish your loss, myself included.

You deserve this.
Well, to be fair, I am not a US citizen, nor (obviously) a Democrat, so I do not really get the 'you' in your last (quite venomous) sentence.

However, your post was very informative. I don't really get how abortion cannot be both 'safe, rare, and legal' and a human right. As abortion in itself is also a medical procedure, not without risk, even when performed by a doctor (ergo, the need for legality).

Also, postnatal abortion sounds like a tongue-in-cheek contradiction in terms, as an abortion would only apply to one who needs another being for survival.

Mandating vaccination seems indeed quite contrary to the idea of bodily autonomy (unless there is the possibility of lasting harm, like with for example polio).

With the American two party system this all just turns into a shitshow. Especially with the new Supreme Justice coming from the pro-choice side not being able to define what a woman is (and I do mean that politically, as every sane adult damn well knows what a woman is).

I do not envy American women right now.
 
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