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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
This Kathryn Joyce woman isn't more than two degrees of separation from the SC clerk Elizabeth Deutsch... I mentioned her here: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/scotu...ion-obtained-by-politico.118179/post-11814434
Little bit of powerleveling.

My oldest niece has been taking in older adoptee children and foster children for almost 30 years. (She's my age)

The amount of problems you see are deep seated and require more than most of the people like Heidi could ever give. Despite the fact it's obvious that Heidi there has never had a child and is probably some kind of scraped womb dead egger if there's any justice, she thinks she can speak with authority about this.

My niece has had to deal with children who came to her home coming off of addiction because their parents smoked drugs in the room with them or gave them drugs to alter their moods. Starvation, malnutrition, behavioral issues, educational problems, all of them.

I don't see how she does it, but she loves them all and does her best for them.

Some of them are so damaged you wonder if the kid even has a chance at life any more.

Having seen the stuff she deals with, what she goes through, I don't judge anyone who wants a baby or a toddler over a 12 year old who was pimped out for 5 years on webcams.
My wife and IO did that as well. It was hard, which was expected, but the foster system and the mental health system basically just dumps them on you and think they've done their part. We had this one FAS kid who was eight, but had the mental development of a two year old. They vet the shit out of you, and go through your life and home to make sure it is up to their code, but they almost sabotage what help you could give by dismissing any requests for information on what helps or tossing you pamphlets. We did it for a couple of years, and found the foster system itself seems to want to sabotage the kids.

Still, we keep in touch with two of them, and one is doing okay.
 
Lol seems odd to link abortion to Judaism as a positive thing. No wonder Muhammad fans want these guys dead in the daily with PR moves like this.
Ritual human sacrifice has gone hand in hand with Judaism for thousands of years. This is not about to change any time soon.
Histrionics like this used to be more prevalent years ago and even back then it seemed nonsensical to me
>that he's a terrible writer who hates women
Do these people really have this idea that other people just go around thinking "Dammit I hate women so fucking much, how can I get back at them? I know, I'll dedicate myself from childhood to preparing to become a judge or politician, just so I can overrule a lawsuit that doesn't even exist yet when I'm planning all this, to forbid women from killing their own children! Yeah, that'll show 'em!"

I generally never get the "they do X simply because they hate women" line of reasoning. It seems detached from reality at best and disingenuous at worst.
 
Ritual human sacrifice has gone hand in hand with Judaism for thousands of years. This is not about to change any time soon.

Histrionics like this used to be more prevalent years ago and even back then it seemed nonsensical to me
>that he's a terrible writer who hates women
Do these people really have this idea that other people just go around thinking "Dammit I hate women so fucking much, how can I get back at them? I know, I'll dedicate myself from childhood to preparing to become a judge or politician, just so I can overrule a lawsuit that doesn't even exist yet when I'm planning all this, to forbid women from killing their own children! Yeah, that'll show 'em!"

I generally never get the "they do X simply because they hate women" line of reasoning. It seems detached from reality at best and disingenuous at worst.
Hadrian should have finished the job or Hitler. I don't care who, I just need all kikes gone like yesterday
 
one had an undiagnosed bowel disorder and shit out the pill (I kid you not) before it could be absorbed
Bet she'd make a fine braphog
Your ideology does nothing to address the causes of the west’s decline.
"putting an end to Jewish influence" does that.
It is the duty of White men to colonize WoC wombs to help Whiten the world.
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D&C bleaching brown women tells me everything I need to know about thise women.
I remember when people were shitting on her for having the audacity to give a few black children an actual chance at life.
Seems like a ton of Twitter posters going to get some door knocks.
Nah, the FBI IA too busy going after old ladies and putting CP on the internet
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No images in my "smug anime girl" folder do justice to my face rn
These bitches can't even beat dudes on estrogen, thinking they're gonna beat dudes who take their gfs test that they got from claiming dysphoria
Interesting. I’ve been hearing people say that removing Roe would then give precedent to removing the gay marriage decision from 2015. I knew it was a few states that the SCOTUS decided for, but not this many.
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I would love for fag marriage to be on the public vote again like in Cali. Fags were surprised spics voted against them..And while they're more tolerant now, the church would convince them to vote against it. And if a California vote this November makes it to the ballot regarding abortion, I expect abortion to be voted down but then reinstalled through courts again.
Protests were planned before the leak was made public. The website jewishrallyforabortionjustice.org was registered a while back.

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The wayback machine has a screenshot from April 26:
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https://web.archive.org/web/20220426203156/https://jewishrallyforabortionjustice.org/

EDIT: it's very likely a nothingburger. That rally was publicly posted about in April.
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Hopefully christcucks realize that we are not a Judeo nation. Jews should be prevented from holding power
 
It's depressing how many otherwise rational women I'm seeing go absolutely insane over this. They really don't see any value in a potential human life or any reason that other people might.

Also the "My body, my choice" line has lost pretty much all meaning when these same people were screeching "Fuck your rights to body autonomy, get the fucking vaccine! The government should make laws forcing you to!"
 
It was a life in Haiti, perhaps at an orphanage, or living an very upper middle class life with parents that are a judge on the US Court of Appeals making $240k a year and there husband as a partner at of respected law firm making $225k.

The choice is obvious.
They’re indirectly saying that black people want to stay in poverty using that logic to attack these people adopting them.

It's depressing how many otherwise rational women I'm seeing go absolutely insane over this. They really don't see any value in a potential human life or any reason that other people might.

Also the "My body, my choice" line has lost pretty much all meaning when these same people were screeching "Fuck your rights to body autonomy, get the fucking vaccine! The government should make laws forcing you to!"

Nevermind that many men will pay for these abortions because at least a portion (Archive) of these abortions are funded by taxpayers.
 
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Ritual human sacrifice has gone hand in hand with Judaism for thousands of years. This is not about to change any time soon.

Histrionics like this used to be more prevalent years ago and even back then it seemed nonsensical to me
>that he's a terrible writer who hates women
Do these people really have this idea that other people just go around thinking "Dammit I hate women so fucking much, how can I get back at them? I know, I'll dedicate myself from childhood to preparing to become a judge or politician, just so I can overrule a lawsuit that doesn't even exist yet when I'm planning all this, to forbid women from killing their own children! Yeah, that'll show 'em!"

I generally never get the "they do X simply because they hate women" line of reasoning. It seems detached from reality at best and disingenuous at worst.
it shows that wortman is just a huge NPC retard 9B1C0898-48A6-490B-9A6D-8FF590B3D2B6.jpegB415AD67-3CF2-4822-8181-3C1F42559FD5.jpeg9942AB64-D6C6-4E86-95D7-D7BBDEAF08C9.jpeg
Castrating men means no sex for women. No sex means no pregnancy and then the point of legal or illegal abortions is moot. That Kate woman is fucking retarded.
amen to that I think she needs a deep dive into her psyche
 
It's depressing how many otherwise rational women I'm seeing go absolutely insane over this. They really don't see any value in a potential human life or any reason that other people might.

Also the "My body, my choice" line has lost pretty much all meaning when these same people were screeching "Fuck your rights to body autonomy, get the fucking vaccine! The government should make laws forcing you to!"
The one from my PL that has me pissed is this bitch I know who only barely managed to have the one kid she does and was told her uterus is so fucked up she'll probably never have another. She brags on him being her "miracle baby from God" all the time but has been posting snide pro-choice memes and whining about men "taking rights away" from women.

I mean holy shit..of all people who should value the sanctity of life you'd think it'd be her, but then again she was never exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer. The Bible wasn't exaggerating, a good woman is worth more than rubies, because they're even more fucking hard to find.
 
Castrating men means no sex for women. No sex means no pregnancy and then the point of legal or illegal abortions is moot. That Kate woman is fucking retarded.
Unless she wants to have sex with a black man or desesperate to do sex with a East Asian man. I wonder if some Latinos will be interested to her?
 
It's depressing to me that virtually all the prominent voices freaking out about this live in places where the local gov't would either immediately codify Roe's equivalent were the decision to be overturned, or have trigger laws that limit it to sometime in the 2nd trimester. I've seen one, maybe two, of the freakouts posted ITT coming from people in states with trigger laws to ban it in all cases except rape & incest, and they're randos on twitter, not major journalists, politicians, or activists. Either these people are so ignorant about civics as to not understand that (the better option) or they're being deliberately disingenuous to rile the populace up on a subject where the actual legislation is far more moderate and less outrage-worthy (the worse option).

And the media reporting on this is so bad. I tried to look up whether the majority of the red state trigger laws were closer to the Mississippi law that kicked off this case, or were total bans except rape & incest, and almost invariably I had to read the bill in question to understand what the actual limits on abortion were, because the media calls anything short of Roe vs. Wade's unlimited access throughout a pregnancy a "ban".
 
It's depressing to me that virtually all the prominent voices freaking out about this live in places where the local gov't would either immediately codify Roe's equivalent were the decision to be overturned, or have trigger laws that limit it to sometime in the 2nd trimester.
Tbf, a ton of people are straight up retarded, esp on the coast. During the scuffle in LA, you could hear people legit say they though they wouldn’t be able to get an abortion, lol.

It’s great to see these people claim to be intellectually elite yet not figure out how basic law works.
 
I honestly shouldn't be responding to this horrible autistic rambling that includes Star Wars terminology unironically, but my source is myself. I was abused, but didn't get pregnant, and if I had and had to do what you wanted me to do, I'd be dead because I would have offed myself in that nightmare scenario.
I'm a reasonable man.

I believe that abortion with rape as the stated and only cause ought to be permissible if it can be demonstrated that the baby indeed raped the woman.
 
No they won't, ironically the left's spergout has basically guaranteed Roe will fall. If they back down now it will mean the court can be intimidated by threats which will mean the Supreme Court has ceded basically all their power.

They will not do this.
I'm sorry, maybe I'm in another Universe, but last time I checked the Supreme Court leans to the Left more than it ever has.
 
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