Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

Honestly, I don't think there's anything wrong with forgoing a major surgery for a child with a terminal diagnosis. Spinal stenosis can be painful, but the recovery from a surgery like that would be brutal for her. Maybe it would be worth it if one surgery were expected to correct the problem, but for a temporary fix, I understand not wanting to put her through it. Also, because she's trached, it's even riskier for her to be in a hospital full of sick kids.
Personal sperg. I have this condition from crushed cervical discs. I'm an adult and I'm not trying to get the surgery until I absolutely have no choice. I know people who were never right again after it.


Paisley should not have this surgery unless there's no other choice.
 
I don't get why all these people are downvoting my post, what I'm saying is common sense and I made it clear that I still support abortion. Enlighten me on why this bothered you.
I think you may have had a stupid take.

Illegal abortion = abortions will be unregulated, unsafe, and deadly; the state will take away bodily autonomy once they realize they can
Legal abortion = safe abortion, in a medical environment, because it is a medical procedure

Chandelier and Thomas explained it much more eloquently than I could have. I'm not educated enough on the topic to express my thoughts clearly, but they both are.
In high school English class, we had to team up to research and debate topics from a random list of "controversial" topics. My group was assigned abortion, thankfully I was arguing pro-life. Our opposition was going for an appeal to emotion; one of them was the result of an unplanned teen pregnancy, and he said that if his mother chose abortion he wouldn't be alive.
Knowing what I know now, I probably would've gone for a similar approach and based my argument off of two photos. A photo of someone who died from an illegal abortion (like the one Thomas posted), and a photo of a horrific incompatible-with-life tard baby. Like it or not, that is the result of abortion being illegal: death.

Also, as mentioned above, the idea of the state being able to control your body and take away your autonomy is terrifying but it's becoming a very real possibility. Imagine needing a medical procedure to save your life, or to prevent your unborn child from suffering a terminal diagnosis, or even because you realize that you will not be able to financially/physically/etc care for your child, but you can't get that medical procedure done because a politician who has never met you and likely has never experienced your situation has decided that you do not get the right to choose what to do with your own body. Why should a stranger have the right to decide your medical care?

I thought America was all about freedom. You know, stuff like being able to make your own medical decisions, separation of church and state, all those wonderful things. Taking away half the population's bodily autonomy is not very "land of the free" IMO.
 
I didn't rate you negatively, but as I said, I don't think the available evidence supports your conclusion that abortion being illegal results in fewer abortions being performed. It also doesn't reduce public costs.

Edit:

You probably won't like this source, but scroll down to the heading "Abortion restrictions" a little way down the page.

I did a bit of research a while back, and to boil it all down, the birthrate did not nosedive in 1973. Yes, it did decline a bit, but it was doing so anyway as a result of being the post-Baby Boom years.

As for that picture of Geraldine Santoro that was spoilered, there's a LOT more to that story. I first heard about her on a PBS movie called "Leona's Sister Gerri", and telling Gerri's story would probably take as long as watching the movie itself. The main things I remember were:

1. Leona and Gerri were two of a family of 15 children.

2. Gerri married at 17 to a much-older man she met at a bus stop and had known for THREE WEEKS, because she was determined to be married before her best friend.

3. As one might expect, the marriage was a disaster; he was an alcoholic and very abusive and was himself deceased by the time the movie was made, and their two daughters, one of whom had had an abortion herself, were young adults at the time. He did raise the girls after their mother's death, and by this time, he had gotten sober and they did say he became a good father.

4. Gerri separated from her husband, and had met another man and was 6 1/2 months pregnant by him when some things happened and she thought she and her husband, who knew nothing about any of this, might reconcile. That's when her boyfriend rented the motel room and did the "abortion", which just plain old wouldn't be legal under any circumstances. (Nowadays, if a woman is that far along and her life is endangered, they deliver the baby.)

RIP Geraldine Santoro, and your baby too. Both of you deserved better than this.

I also suspect that a lot of those right-wing politicians, were they to have a teenage daughter become pregnant, would make her get rid of it, even if she didn't want to. THAT to me is anti-choice, and most of the stories I've heard over the years about women who regretted their abortions, whether they had religious overtones or not, were about women who did it either because someone else wanted them to have it done, or they were worried about what other people would think about them being pregnant - in short, it wasn't her decision.

Silent-film actress Gloria Swanson said in her autobiography, published shortly before her death in the early 1980s, that her only regret was the abortion she had at the height of her career in the 1920s, a procedure that almost killed her, of a baby that was unplanned but NOT unwanted. Why did she do this? Because she had just gotten married, and knew that if she were to give birth 7 months after the wedding, her career would be over.
 
I think you may have had a stupid take.

Illegal abortion = abortions will be unregulated, unsafe, and deadly; the state will take away bodily autonomy once they realize they can
Legal abortion = safe abortion, in a medical environment, because it is a medical procedure

Chandelier and Thomas explained it much more eloquently than I could have. I'm not educated enough on the topic to express my thoughts clearly, but they both are.
In high school English class, we had to team up to research and debate topics from a random list of "controversial" topics. My group was assigned abortion, thankfully I was arguing pro-life. Our opposition was going for an appeal to emotion; one of them was the result of an unplanned teen pregnancy, and he said that if his mother chose abortion he wouldn't be alive.
Knowing what I know now, I probably would've gone for a similar approach and based my argument off of two photos. A photo of someone who died from an illegal abortion (like the one Thomas posted), and a photo of a horrific incompatible-with-life tard baby. Like it or not, that is the result of abortion being illegal: death.

Also, as mentioned above, the idea of the state being able to control your body and take away your autonomy is terrifying but it's becoming a very real possibility. Imagine needing a medical procedure to save your life, or to prevent your unborn child from suffering a terminal diagnosis, or even because you realize that you will not be able to financially/physically/etc care for your child, but you can't get that medical procedure done because a politician who has never met you and likely has never experienced your situation has decided that you do not get the right to choose what to do with your own body. Why should a stranger have the right to decide your medical care?

I thought America was all about freedom. You know, stuff like being able to make your own medical decisions, separation of church and state, all those wonderful things. Taking away half the population's bodily autonomy is not very "land of the free" IMO.
You guys keep just spamming these generic arguments in favor of legal abortion even though I support legal abortion. I'm just making a point about some of the arguments used. The argument you just made is a different argument than the one in question, which was effectively "it isn't worth considering a ban unless it would stop all abortion".

In the general view of people who want to ban abortion (again, not me), nothing matters more than saving one life. They don't think it needs to stop all abortion to be worth it, stopping even one would be enough to make the change. That's their argument. I think you should recognize that it's a bit extreme to suggest that there wouldn't be even a slight reduction with a ban.
 
Honestly, I don't think there's anything wrong with forgoing a major surgery for a child with a terminal diagnosis. Spinal stenosis can be painful, but the recovery from a surgery like that would be brutal for her. Maybe it would be worth it if one surgery were expected to correct the problem, but for a temporary fix, I understand not wanting to put her through it. Also, because she's trached, it's even riskier for her to be in a hospital full of sick kids.
That makes a lot of sense. I didn't think about it like that. It seems like it's a lose-lose situation no matter what they do.
 
I also suspect that a lot of those right-wing politicians, were they to have a teenage daughter become pregnant, would make her get rid of it, even if she didn't want to. THAT to me is anti-choice, and most of the stories I've heard over the years about women who regretted their abortions, whether they had religious overtones or not, were about women who did it either because someone else wanted them to have it done, or they were worried about what other people would think about them being pregnant - in short, it wasn't her decision.

Silent-film actress Gloria Swanson said in her autobiography, published shortly before her death in the early 1980s, that her only regret was the abortion she had at the height of her career in the 1920s, a procedure that almost killed her, of a baby that was unplanned but NOT unwanted. Why did she do this? Because she had just gotten married, and knew that if she were to give birth 7 months after the wedding, her career would be over.
Yeah the only women I've talked to who regretted their abortions were women who were pressured to abort by someone else. I hear some clinics will separate the patient from who they came with specifically as a means of weeding out cases where the patient doesn't to abort, but is being pressured by others to do so.

That said, I don't think encouraging (but not forcing) abortion in the cases of FUBAR incompatible with life fetuses is bad, especially since medical personal likely know the reality and suffering that comes w/various conditions. A lot of fundie spud parents get butthurt if a doctor suggested abortion of an anencephaly or limb body wall complex or severe holoproscencephaly fetus or w/e, but I think that's just expected shit since they know how fucked up the situation is.
 
Does nobody understand that this was a draft opinion by one judge and nothing has yet changed. (The real story so far is how it got leaked.) And if Roe v Wade is repealed, which it should be as the constitution doesn’t say anything about abortion, then it’s merely kicked back to the states to make their own laws. Saying that, by the way, does not make me a pro-lifer; I am not. I just never believed it was a constitutional issue.

Sure, if the ruling comes down, Deep South states are likely going to heavily restrict it or ban it altogether, but CA, OR, WA, NY, MA and a few others won’t. So in all liklihood, Planned Parenthood will morph into a travel company. Put 45 pregnant Texans on a bus to CA, let them have safe abortions, and send them home. Something like that anyway. Plus, people can lobby for abortion laws in their state and vote for the people who support them, move to a less restrictive state, or whatever each states law says, doctors may find loopholes or decide to go rogue. I would be surprised if any state outright banned it (although some could) but more likely will ban it after 14 weeks. With pregnancy tests working s few days after conception, which was not the case in the 50s, there should be time to plan.

In the days of social media and easy access to information, we are not going back to 1950s America, and there will be no black and white photos of bloody women on floors with coathangars coming out their vaginas. It’ll work itself out.

Caveat; There are always stupid people who do at-home medical procedures.Currently, it’s plastic surgery. From botox to fillers to thread lifts and butt enhancements. So I won’t say somebody won’t set up an underground thing and tell people they are trained and sterile when they aren’t, but like now, it’ll be the rarity. There will be a way, even if you life in BF Oklahoma.
 
Does nobody understand that this was a draft opinion by one judge and nothing has yet changed. (The real story so far is how it got leaked.) And if Roe v Wade is repealed, which it should be as the constitution doesn’t say anything about abortion, then it’s merely kicked back to the states to make their own laws. Saying that, by the way, does not make me a pro-lifer; I am not. I just never believed it was a constitutional issue.

Sure, if the ruling comes down, Deep South states are likely going to heavily restrict it or ban it altogether, but CA, OR, WA, NY, MA and a few others won’t. So in all liklihood, Planned Parenthood will morph into a travel company. Put 45 pregnant Texans on a bus to CA, let them have safe abortions, and send them home. Something like that anyway. Plus, people can lobby for abortion laws in their state and vote for the people who support them, move to a less restrictive state, or whatever each states law says, doctors may find loopholes or decide to go rogue. I would be surprised if any state outright banned it (although some could) but more likely will ban it after 14 weeks. With pregnancy tests working s few days after conception, which was not the case in the 50s, there should be time to plan.

In the days of social media and easy access to information, we are not going back to 1950s America, and there will be no black and white photos of bloody women on floors with coathangars coming out their vaginas. It’ll work itself out.

Caveat; There are always stupid people who do at-home medical procedures.Currently, it’s plastic surgery. From botox to fillers to thread lifts and butt enhancements. So I won’t say somebody won’t set up an underground thing and tell people they are trained and sterile when they aren’t, but like now, it’ll be the rarity. There will be a way, even if you life in BF Oklahoma.

This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on here and that says a lot.

Who is paying to bus all these pregnant people to different states? That alone is pretty retarded. You want some dumb country bumpkin from Arkansas who was taught abstinence only and makes $5 an hour to figure out the logistics of traveling to get an abortion? "Move to a less restrictive state"? You do know most people can't afford to do that, right? Not to sound like a Tumblrina but a privileged take is a privileged take.

"The constitution" was written in the 1700s. Who cares what it says. It's 2022. Update it.

For god's sake these takes are so retarded they should be aborted too.

Top hat me, I don't care. It's baffling to see just how not in touch with actual reality some people are.
 
This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on here and that says a lot.

Who is paying to bus all these pregnant people to different states? That alone is pretty retarded. You want some dumb country bumpkin from Arkansas who was taught abstinence only and makes $5 an hour to figure out the logistics of traveling to get an abortion? "Move to a less restrictive state"? You do know most people can't afford to do that, right? Not to sound like a Tumblrina but a privileged take is a privileged take.

"The constitution" was written in the 1700s. Who cares what it says. It's 2022. Update it.

For god's sake these takes are so retarded they should be aborted too.

Top hat me, I don't care. It's baffling to see just how not in touch with actual reality some people are.
Oh so now you think a ban would reduce abortions after all.
 
Uh... no. Where the hell did I say that?
You think it's ridiculous to suggest that (your profoundly stupid stereotype of) people in Arkansas could figure out a way to get to Colorado for an abortion. What else are they going to do? You think these same people have the tools to navigate the black market or DIY abortions?

Most of what that guy said was just a rather obvious practical assessment of the situation, by the way. It's pathetic that you have such an unhinged reaction to it, as if he created the situation.
 
Yeah, the south can't cough up basic resources as is for residents in those state in terms of Healthcare and transportation. Nobody will be paying for vans to haul women needing abortions across state lines. That might happen in Europe, but Europe actually has trains and shit everywhere unlike the US.

Women and girls in the Bible belt are fucked if Roe is overturned, especially lower income ones.

To tie this back to tard babies, it'll lead to an uptick in tard babies not just from people being unable to abort them, but also from kids who were normal at birth being shaken or otherwise abused seriously enough to cause brain damage. Unwanted kids, especially in poorer areas, tend not to be treated very kindly.
 
my reply function isn't working, but I'm supposed to believe it's more likely the dumb fucks of rural America will be better able to navigate cross state travel and accommodations for abortions rather than, say, having someone kick them in the stomach, which takes little to no knowledge of anything other than hitting a pregnant stomach = bad?

Come on now. DIY abortions aren't hard; surviving them is.
 
my reply function isn't working, but I'm supposed to believe it's more likely the dumb fucks of rural America will be better able to navigate cross state travel and accommodations for abortions rather than, say, having someone kick them in the stomach, which takes little to no knowledge of anything other than hitting a pregnant stomach = bad?

Come on now. DIY abortions aren't hard; surviving them is.
I'm just blown away by this unhinged nonsense. Crossing state lines is not hard, I can't believe that anyone would include "inability to sit inside of an automobile" in their extreme negative stereotype of "rural dumbfucks". If you don't have a truck (which is a part of the stereotype you neglected to mention), just take a bus. The whole thing will probably end up costing less than the abortion itself.

And no, not everyone who would opt for a safe, legal abortion would consider it worth it to go through the risks of being kicked in the stomach. It's basic economics, some people are only marginally convinced of any choice and would change their mind if the relevant factors changed to make it less desirable. Lots of these women would opt to just bite the bullet and have the child.
 
Yeah, the south can't cough up basic resources as is for residents in those state in terms of Healthcare and transportation. Nobody will be paying for vans to haul women needing abortions across state lines. That might happen in Europe, but Europe actually has trains and shit everywhere unlike the US.

Women and girls in the Bible belt are fucked if Roe is overturned, especially lower income ones.

To tie this back to tard babies, it'll lead to an uptick in tard babies not just from people being unable to abort them, but also from kids who were normal at birth being shaken or otherwise abused seriously enough to cause brain damage. Unwanted kids, especially in poorer areas, tend not to be treated very kindly.
a lot of southern women have a bad habit of downplaying just how stressful having a kid actually is, so combined with near-nonexistent sex education, near-nonexistent mental healthcare options, demonizing abortion, and generations of favouring prayer over actual medical literacy, it means conditions like shaken baby syndrome, fetal alcohol syndrome, long-lasting childhood trauma, and substance abuse at an early age happen way more often than they should. overall, there's more cultural focus on the parents' convenience, hence old sayings like "children should be seen and not heard".
 
I'm just blown away by this unhinged nonsense. Crossing state lines is not hard, I can't believe that anyone would include "inability to sit inside of an automobile" in their extreme negative stereotype of "rural dumbfucks". If you don't have a truck (which is a part of the stereotype you neglected to mention), just take a bus. The whole thing will probably end up costing less than the abortion itself.

And no, not everyone who would opt for a safe, legal abortion would consider it worth it to go through the risks of being kicked in the stomach. It's basic economics, some people are only marginally convinced of any choice and would change their mind if the relevant factors changed to make it less desirable. Lots of these women would opt to just bite the bullet and have the child.

You sure are focusing on my random mention of Arkansas, but you mosey on over to the Sammie Bushart thread and tell me any of those people can gather the resources to leave a state (or several- it's not unlikely you would have to travel several states away to get to a location with abortion access if you're in the deep south). Sorry you're very hurt that I have a poor opinion of the rural south, but that's not my fault.
 
You sure are focusing on my random mention of Arkansas, but you mosey on over to the Sammie Bushart thread and tell me any of those people can gather the resources to leave a state (or several- it's not unlikely you would have to travel several states away to get to a location with abortion access if you're in the deep south). Sorry you're very hurt that I have a poor opinion of the rural south, but that's not my fault.
Yeah I'm sure they'll all happily get kicked in the stomach and not just take the opportunity to consider the alternative of just having the baby, like their whole community will be telling them to do.

Keep downvote bombing me, you hysterical retards, I don't care. It's way more important for you to understand some basic realities of the issue than to have your feelings and headcanon respected.
 
Yeah I'm sure they'll all happily get kicked in the stomach and not just take the opportunity to consider the alternative of just having the baby, like their whole community will be telling them to do.

Keep downvote bombing me, you hysterical retards, I don't care. It's way more important for you to understand some basic realities of the issue than to have your feelings and headcanon respected.
Can you go back to Reddit? No one is "downvoting" you, we do not have downvoting here, and even if we did, who gives a shit?
 
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