Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 249 10.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

  • Total voters
    2,360
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There wasn't a language divide until Russia decided to sperg out. Even Zelensky was a Russian speaker.
That's just not true, there's been various laws against the Russian language and outside of the law, there's plenty of videos where Ukrainian nationalists go up to Russian speakers and tell them to say Ukrainian words that are hard for a Russian speaker to pronounce and they harass them or in some cases assault them if they couldn't say it properly. There's been a divide and it's largely been forced by the Ukrainians.
 
They'd sell more weapons if there was more war.
Most of which they create - just like in this current conflict.

I was just mimicking your post...
The one that didn't mention Putin?

...the only derangement here is coming from you if you can't recognize a joke.
It's not my fault your "jokes" aren't funny.

They'd be secure if Russia didn't want to start the war.
What "wars" did Russia start in the late 90s?

Oh wait, that had nothing to do with Russia [in large part it was about bringing a bunch of potential Yugoslavia's under the same umbrella without a real, true understanding of what went wrong there].

What "wars" did Russia start in the early-mid 2000s?

Oh wait, that was all about "terrorism" and Russia's objections to "missile shield" technology too close to their borders as opposed to, say, Azerbaijan, where it would have actually been more effective in stopping alleged rogue state missile attacks out of the ME.

I think even you're capable of recognizing all of the false premises NATO expansion has been based on in the past.

There wasn't a language divide until Russia decided to sperg out. Even Zelensky was a Russian speaker.
Borscht has already illustrated how hilariously misinformed you are on that point.

That's funny coming from you. All pro-Russian sentiment is true and honest and organic, all pro-West sentiment is due to astroturfing.
Well, I can only call them as they are... Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya... "We" were to be welcomed as liberators, remember? In fact we were directly responsible for wrecking three of those nations and contributing to ongoing strife in the fourth. Contrast that with how Russia is viewed in Crimea and the LPR/DPR... As for the larger Ukrainian population, well...... wasn't naZielenski's big selling point that he was going to open a true and honest dialog with Russia and the separatists and negotiate some sort of regional autonomy [not to mention enter into a joint venture with Moscow to redevelop the industrial base in that region] - only to do exactly the opposite upon getting elected, which got him an approval rating so low he'd be jealous of Spaghetti Sauce Joey?
 
next level vatnik delusion lmao
they invaded and straight up annexed part of ukraine in 2014,
Russia has every right to Crimea and Ukraine has no claim to the place. Most of the locals are Russians who want to be part of Russia, Ukies had been trying to deny them self-determination since abolishing their president and constitution at gunpoint in 1995.
 
And in 2014 she lost her seat in parliament. Her party, Svoboda, only got 4.7% of the votes.
She might not be the only one, but was she really that popular?
She was endorsed by the infamous Oleg Tyahnybok, another government lawmaker and two-times councilman of Lviv. In my book, she is 1) absolutely rabid, 2) far from being alone as demonstrated by the endorsements and 3) popular enough to make a career in politics. And the situation only went downhill from 2014.

No, the nazis in Ukraine are not omnipresent, but they are 1) real, 2) bold enough not to hide but to strut around making provocative statements on TV and 3) wield disproportionate influence (see threats to hang Zelensky from a lamp post when he tried to fulfill his campaign promise by reconsiliating with DPR and LPR, after which he backed down).

Obviously Russia should have used soft power to diffuse the threat instead of invading, but it failed and here we are. I wish Kremlin agents were not hilariously incompetent.

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Russia has every right to Crimea and Ukraine has no claim to the place. Most of the locals are Russians who want to be part of Russia, Ukies had been trying to deny them self-determination since abolishing their president and constitution at gunpoint in 1995.
Even where my mother is from, she said the real fire that put her onto med school to GTFO was Kiev/Lvov already trying to restoke the fires of banderism when gorbachev and the CCCP was still a thing. The yanks promised those morons the moon, and they went right back into shitting effectively on half their population. Now domineering mother Moscow is back to put them in their place. That's what happens when you ideologically leave the back door open.

Ukranians praising georgian mercenaries is like Poles screaming slava ukrania.
 
tl;dr a bunch of faggots in seattle go to a farm to get themselves fucked by a horse and film it, one of them later dies to internal injuries. it was one of the notorious early internet shock videos.
apparently bestiality was legal in seattle at the time, but after this case they passed laws to outlaw it again.
Spergs always got to ruin it for everyone else.
 
3) popular enough to make a career in politics. And the situation only went downhill from 2014.
Her political career kind of ended in 2014.
Out of all the years to fail, she got bodied at the polls precisely after Ukraine steered away from Russia.
Most of which they create - just like in this current conflict.
>"BRO THE US JUST WANTS TO SELL WEAPONS"
>but a larger NATO actually means less weapons expenditure
>"BRO THEY START THE WARS"

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The one that didn't mention Putin?
I got tired of saying RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIANS so I mentioned Putin specifically so that my comments would not be understood as hatred for Russia or the Russian people.
But you got offended anyway.
That's just not true, there's been various laws against the Russian language and outside of the law, there's plenty of videos where Ukrainian nationalists go up to Russian speakers and tell them to say Ukrainian words that are hard for a Russian speaker to pronounce and they harass them or in some cases assault them if they couldn't say it properly. There's been a divide and it's largely been forced by the Ukrainians.
I'll let Liberal Russian Man™ do the talking.

You're trying to convince me that a country which saw alliance with Russia as a positive thing and NATO as a bad thing has been at it with the language spergery since ever?
 
You do not understand the dynamics here or you are being dishonest about it, America seeks constant military/social expansion
Trust me he actually does understand the dynamics going on very well, if anything it is actually you that don’t understand what is going on here. You see he is a Western (or westernized) Liberal, and as such, he has an entire well developed and structured ethos guiding him in every thought and action that he undertakes, that can properly be summed up as “IT’S ‘OK’ WHEN WE DO IT”

Hence, it’s OK when their side overthrew the government, after all, they are the “the good guys”. If they weren’t good, they wouldn’t be supporting them. It was OK when they led a brutal crackdown on counter protestors and separatists, bombing cities, and launching artillery on civilian areas. After all, the other side are “bad”, so they shouldn’t be allowed to do anything in opposing “us”. They can complain about election fraud, vote rigging, etc, but when their opposition does it, it is “undermining democracy”. They can violently protest, attack the police, literally kill dozens if not hundreds of people, but if their opposition protests, it’s an “inssurection”. Like Trudeau summed up when he fled Ottawa why he didn’t just meet with the truckers protest, “I meet with protestors I support”. It completely confounds him why he would ever meet with the opposition in the country he rules. Instead, we need to shut down free speech, block any payment processors, open criminal investigations, block their movements, and attack them at all fronts, in order to “save democracy”

What’s worse, they genuinely think and actually expect that you, their opposition, should just concede on this and share the same world view as them. It’s their birthright to just abuse you at every level, and they become very confused and agitated when their opposition doesn’t allow them to. They typically retreat to their safe spaces, another website or maybe another thread, to simply defame and abuse their opposition, rather than to ever engage them in the logical and morally consistent framework that is being asked of them.

Trust me, Global Liberalism needs to die a sudden and severe painful death like we did with Communism
 
the Putin apologist crowd doesn't recognize the agency of Eastern countries seeking security.
"Agency" is an interesting word to use for a system that requires me to register for the draft and pay taxes so that Eastern Europeans don't have to deal with their retarded blood feuds like grown-ups.
There wasn't a language divide until Russia decided to sperg out. Even Zelensky was a Russian speaker.
Here is a video from 2012 about Ukrainians going on a hunger strike because Yanukovych allowed local governments and media to serve Russian speakers in Russian.

 
ATTENTION ALL UKRANIANS ALL OVER THE WORLD: In order to protect free speech and save DemocracyTM in Ukraine, you are no longer allowed to:

1) Criticize the Ukrainian government in any way, shape, or form
2) Oppose the governments handling of the Donbas and provoking a war with Russia
3) expose corruption in the Ukrainian government
4) call the 2014 Coup in Kiev an actual Coup
5) cover any and all war crimes committed by the Ukrainian government and the extremists they support

Do any of these things you can, and will be arrested, deported back to Ukraine, and imprisoned and tortured for an indeterminate length, and likely end up dead in a ditch from “Russian infiltrators”

We all must do everything we can to defend DemocracyTM!


 
Russia has every right to Crimea and Ukraine has no claim to the place. Most of the locals are Russians who want to be part of Russia, Ukies had been trying to deny them self-determination since abolishing their president and constitution at gunpoint in 1995.
Russia HAD "every right" when they pulled off a fait accompli. Even NATO was willing to ignore the obvious issues of Russias invasion in 2014.

Putin got Greedy. I can give you Crimea. Explain to me Russia's intrinsic right to Irpin...or Kiev itself? And before you start, the Ukrainians ARE the kyivan Rus. The Russians are the Mongol rape babies of Muscovy and Novgorod. Kiev has no historical tie to either city/society. Beyond a very tenous tie of Byzantine orthodoxy. They don't speak the same language and they certainly don't have a shared history that extends more then 200 years.

And if we accept that, then Poland and Lithuania are Russian, along with the Baltics and Finland.

So explain to me, given the actual historical context, what right Russia had to seize the entirety of Ukraine.
 
Russia HAD "every right" when they pulled off a fait accompli. Even NATO was willing to ignore the obvious issues of Russias invasion in 2014.

Putin got Greedy. I can give you Crimea. Explain to me Russia's intrinsic right to Irpin...or Kiev itself? And before you start, the Ukrainians ARE the kyivan Rus. The Russians are the Mongol rape babies of Muscovy and Novgorod. Kiev has no historical tie to either city/society. Beyond a very tenous tie of Byzantine orthodoxy. They don't speak the same language and they certainly don't have a shared history that extends more then 200 years.

And if we accept that, then Poland and Lithuania are Russian, along with the Baltics and Finland.

So explain to me, given the actual historical context, what right Russia had to seize the entirety of Ukraine.
The difference between moskals and ukranians is like the difference between mexicans and colombians lol
 
The difference between moskals and ukranians is like the difference between mexicans and colombians lol
Which is actually a huge difference you mong. The Colombians have strong historical and cultural ties to the Cuzco Inca and the Mexicans are more culturally aligned with the Aztec Mexicali. FFS, in one case the name of the country is actually taken from its traditional culture.

The only thing the two countries share in common is a foreign imposed language and religion. An oddly similar scenario, but not in the way you think.
 
How does that work
The more countries in an alliance that doesn't fight between itself and deters attacks from outsiders, the less military conflict happens?
Zelensky is begging for weapons on a daily basis and Europe is doing the Sam Hyde "ah dood my leg" bit while sending Soviet-era Strelas too moldy to function.
he has an entire well developed and structured ethos guiding him in every thought and action that he undertakes, that can properly be summed up as “IT’S ‘OK’ WHEN WE DO IT”
You're wrong. I spent my life criticizing Western imperialism. I always said it was wrong even when we did it.
And in this case, I see that Russia is doing the same exact things I criticized when the West did it.
Hence, it’s OK when their side overthrew the government
The president fled to Mother Russia after police and hired thugs killed protesters. His own party disavowed him.
It was OK when they led a brutal crackdown on counter protestors and separatists, bombing cities, and launching artillery on civilian areas.
"Separatists" that murdered 298 people by shooting down MH17 with a Russian Buk launcher.
They can complain about election fraud, vote rigging, etc
Fun fact: Yanukovych had his 2004 election overturned due to electoral fraud. With some places having over 100% turnout.
Instead, we need to shut down free speech
Another fun fact: Yanukovych cracked down on free speech due to the Maidan protests.
open criminal investigations
Yet another fun fact: did you know that Tony Podesta helped Yanukovych lead a media campaign against Yulia Timoshenko, the politician who got pelted with not only criminal charges regarding corruption but also a bullshit murder charge?
What’s worse, they genuinely think and actually expect that you, their opposition, should just concede on this
As opposed to the people on these two threads who have stated that Zelensky should have just conceded on this?
It’s their birthright to just abuse you at every level
But enough about Russia's actions since the mid 90s.
They typically retreat to their safe spaces
 
So explain to me, given the actual historical context, what right Russia had to seize the entirety of Ukraine.
What right does the Ukrainian ethnic group have to seize and Ukrainize the entirety of the historically multiethnic, multilingual territory of the former USSR adminstrative unit that happens to be named after them?
 
What right does the Ukrainian ethnic group have to seize and Ukrainize the entirety of the historically multiethnic, multilingual territory of the former USSR adminstrative unit that happens to be named after them?
the right to undo the damage done by centuries of russification efforts carried out by both tsarist and soviet occupiers
 
I'll let Liberal Russian Man™ do the talking.
You're trying to convince me that a country which saw alliance with Russia as a positive thing and NATO as a bad thing has been at it with the language spergery since ever?
How do these people do before/after polls and not realize you now have two totally different population subsets? Ukraine has literally lost tens of millions of people now. The people that were talking about joining Ukraine and Russia into one country back then, literally DID JUST THAT already. They are no longer “Ukrainian”, at all, the rest probably fucked off to literally anywhere else on earth rather than stay in the war-torn, corrupt, oppressive, desolate shit hole that modern Ukraine descended into.

Of course the surveys are going to be different.
 
"Agency" is an interesting word to use for a system that requires me to register for the draft
Putin would force you to serve for one year, and you're on call if he fucks up what should have been a quick invasion.
If you're going to change the subject on a conversation, make sure that the new topic doesn't allow me to dunk on you.
 
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