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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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I think in a purely manpower sense Ukraine can't fight Russia as long as Russia can fight Ukraine.

All the high powered equipment in the world won't matter when Russia seems entirely willing to do what Russia always does and human meatgrinder the problem away.

Even if Ukraine 'wins' now, the resulting lack of manpower and fucked up infrastructure (and massive refugee crisis) means that Russia can sit and wait another five to ten years and try again, as it seems unlikely anything will change that will prevent them from doing so (Ukraine to NATO, etc).

Low morale doesn't matter when there's unlikely to be a regime change and Russia fatalism in general means that their troops will probably just be increasingly sad about being shot up by farmers but continue to go get shot up by farmers.

Russia seems willing to glass the place with conventional weapons so sooner or later they'll at least get their shitty highway that'll likely just end up being a haven for IEDs for 20 years.

Except the current warfare we're seeing at the moment is basically tribal natives against the British. Sure they might get in the odd victory here and there, but the technological advantage, and how it is used properly by one side and not the other, allows for proper exploitation and use of resources.

We're currently entering month three of what was supposed to be a 72 hour operation to decapitate the Ukranian Government and extract territorial concessions if not outright drag them back into the Russian sphere/russia itself.

They don't have the capacity to human wave and the way vatniks are already refusing to go about their orders if not outright sabotaging stuff themselves is pointing that drafting a bunch of people wont work either. Especially not against precision artillery and drone strikes which the Russians have so far and repeatedly failed to counter. The end result will be as we've already seen in Donbass and Luhansk, streets emptied and techno beat tik toks of the ukies blowing up Ladas with four dudes inside. Its most certainly not 1941 comrade, the age of the infantryman and its human wave is most certainly over and all they'll become is a red mist after being spotted by a drone.
 
Speaking of sunk boats, the oilslick from Moskva has been spotted.

Source: Covert Shores
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And from Anton Gerashchenko, advisor with the Ukrainian IA ministry:
"The exact place of the sinking of the flagship "Moskva" has been found Details: according to the exclusive information of our source, in the image taken by the radar satellite of one of the NATO countries, you see the real place where the object of the cultural heritage of Ukraine rests, evidence of the victories of our engineers and military - the cruiser "Moskva" . The exact location was located by satellite radar based on an analysis of sea pollution by surfactants - fuels and oils that cover the surface of the sea above the crash site. Space radar even allows you to see the silhouette of the cruiser moskva, resting forever at a depth of 40-45 meters. After our victory, this point will become a place of pilgrimage for divers from all over the world."
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I think in a purely manpower sense Ukraine can't fight Russia as long as Russia can fight Ukraine.

All the high powered equipment in the world won't matter when Russia seems entirely willing to do what Russia always does and human meatgrinder the problem away.

Even if Ukraine 'wins' now, the resulting lack of manpower and fucked up infrastructure (and massive refugee crisis) means that Russia can sit and wait another five to ten years and try again, as it seems unlikely anything will change that will prevent them from doing so (Ukraine to NATO, etc).

Low morale doesn't matter when there's unlikely to be a regime change and Russia fatalism in general means that their troops will probably just be increasingly sad about being shot up by farmers but continue to go get shot up by farmers.

Russia seems willing to glass the place with conventional weapons so sooner or later they'll at least get their shitty highway that'll likely just end up being a haven for IEDs for 20 years.
the more technology advances, the less effective human wave memes become.
it is one thing to throw a human wave at wehrmacht soldiers that are carrying bolt action mauser rifles with 5 round internal magazines. it is an entirely different thing to throw human waves at ukr soldiers who are carrying select fire assault rifles (AKs and malyuks) with removable box mags that hold 30 rounds each.
 
That is potentially some fucking hilarious timing on that article.
It would be the hatrick. The landing ship and the Moskva were both sunk the day after being featured in the Russian press. This is #3. Well #7 if you count the other 2 badly damaged Kokodile landing shios and the two fast patrol boats this week.
 
It would be the hatrick. The landing ship and the Moskva were both sunk the day after being featured in the Russian press. This is #3. Well #7 if you count the other 2 badly damaged Kokodile landing shios and the two fast patrol boats this week.
The other two landing ships damaged when that Alligator LST exploded (BDK-10 "Saratov") in Berdiansk were Ropucha-class, supposedly (SDK)BDK-64 "Tsezar Kunikov" and (SDK)BDK-46 "Novocherkassk".
 
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the more technology advances, the less effective human wave memes become.
it is one thing to throw a human wave at wehrmacht soldiers that are carrying bolt action mauser rifles with 5 round internal magazines. it is an entirely different thing to throw human waves at ukr soldiers who are carrying select fire assault rifles (AKs and malyuks) with removable box mags that hold 30 rounds each.

I didn't mean in a human wave sense, just that Russia has more X Y and Z and that given a long enough time frame and a willingness to destroy infrastructure Russia will eventually at least get some of the land it wants at which point they will loudly declare they win and go home.

I don't think there's really a situation the Ukraine keeps all its territory or makes Russia give up. Unless they can somehow into Nato or the EU (but they won't do either)
 
Except the current warfare we're seeing at the moment is basically tribal natives against the British. Sure they might get in the odd victory here and there, but the technological advantage, and how it is used properly by one side and not the other, allows for proper exploitation and use of resources.

We're currently entering month three of what was supposed to be a 72 hour operation to decapitate the Ukranian Government and extract territorial concessions if not outright drag them back into the Russian sphere/russia itself.

They don't have the capacity to human wave and the way vatniks are already refusing to go about their orders if not outright sabotaging stuff themselves is pointing that drafting a bunch of people wont work either. Especially not against precision artillery and drone strikes which the Russians have so far and repeatedly failed to counter. The end result will be as we've already seen in Donbass and Luhansk, streets emptied and techno beat tik toks of the ukies blowing up Ladas with four dudes inside. Its most certainly not 1941 comrade, the age of the infantryman and its human wave is most certainly over and all they'll become is a red mist after being spotted by a drone.

The Russians also lack real motivation to fight here, sure the Russian propaganda machine has been going strong since Papa Stalin took the reins after Lenin bit the dust but unlike The Great Patriotic War; there isn't really much of a reason for the Russians to fight here.

During WW2 the Russians faced a huge outside threat in the Nazis that made it clear they wanted to exterminate all Slavs and topple the whole of Eastern Europe and gradually Germanify the region during Hitler's 1,000 year Reich so the Russians had a lot more to fight for in that instance than they ever had before in the existence of their nation. Tactics like the human wave likely work better knowing that it's for the survival of not only yourself but your family and whole nation (friendly commissars with guns pointed at the back of your skull if you refuse helps too).

In modern Ukraine there is no threat to the whole of Russia, Putin has attempted to paint a picture of Russians being genocided but the evidence for this supposed genocide is very very weak at best. If I'm a Russian soldier I'd feel no real need to march into Ukraine if I had even half the outside knowledge shared here thus far.
 
having your highest ranking diplomat rant about "this jew is actually a nazi, like hitler, who was probably jewish as well" really is next level vatnik schizophrenia.
like, in no possible universe does it make sense to make statements like that. jews will hate you for calling one of their own a nazi, nazis will hate you for calling their boss a jew, everybody else will consider you an insane lunatic and tell you to take your meds. you gain absolutely nothing, and lose a chunk of reputation and credibility. it's just absurd.
 

Francis pandered to Kirill and Putin even telling Kirill that Greek Rite Catholics (who suffered martyrdom under the Tsars and General Secretaries) and now refuses to clearly criticise Putin and Kirill. This is demoralising Ukrainian Catholics, which is WAD for Francis.

That letter to Mr Schkrebets is just mad. I can certainly see why some Russians seem to be engaged in sabotage, why they don't see how their country should die for the pique of an evil little man.
As a catholic I never like Francis to begin with.
www.newsweek.com/russia-tensions-israel-may-intensify-kremlin-denies-putins-apology-1704349

Russia Tensions With Israel May Intensify as Kremlin Denies Putin's Apology


PFAHAHAHAHAHA
Well I guess Putin really is a retard.
 
Dmitry Medvedev went on telegram to do some Industrial Grade Projection at Poland

The Poles proclaimed the division of Ukraine

Polish President Andrzej Duda
officially recognized territorial claims to Ukraine. The masks have been dropped.
He stated that there would no longer be a border between Poland and Ukraine for decades, or even centuries.
O sancta simplicitas!

He chose a more than suitable occasion for this statement - National Constitution Day. The national self-consciousness of the Poles has clearly strengthened against the backdrop of the deepest crisis in the neighboring country, exhausted by the bastard rule of the Kyiv regime. And along with it, territorial appetites are steadily growing.

Western Ukraine will be a welcome acquisition for the hungry return of the lands of Poland. Of course, under the veil of beautiful words about eternal brotherhood. But what will the resigned Ukrainian neighbor do for the sake of an illusory dream of a happy life under the umbrella of the European Union.

However, do not flatter yourself and indulge in vain dreams. Whatever spells this same Duda cast, we are talking about the actual annexation by Poland of the territories of Western Ukraine. The soil is being probed slowly but surely. The phantom pains of former greatness, which have tormented the Poles for several centuries, have not disappeared anywhere. The task is simple - to regain the coveted historical lands, hiding behind aggressive anti-Russian rhetoric and false mantras about common happiness with “borderless” Ukraine. To avenge the numerous partitions of Poland.

It is clear that this imaginary brotherhood will not bring anything to the Ukrainians themselves, except for the final loss of their statehood.
Or maybe that's what they want?

P.S. Most people in Poland believe that Polish soldiers should take part in a peacekeeping mission in Ukraine if it is organized by NATO, the UN or the EU.
According to a survey by the IBRiS laboratory, 56.8% of respondents support the deployment of troops to Ukrainian territory.
Q.E.D.
Particulairly interesting, IMO, is this part:
"The phantom pains of former greatness, which have tormented the Poles for several centuries, have not disappeared anywhere. The task is simple - to regain the coveted historical lands, hiding behind aggressive anti-Russian rhetoric and false mantras about common happiness with “borderless” Ukraine. To avenge the numerous partitions of Poland.

It is clear that this imaginary brotherhood will not bring anything to the Ukrainians themselves, except for the final loss of their statehood."


Like, motherfucker, is there not a single mirror in the whole of kremlin?

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"Polish President Andrzej Duda officially recognized territorial claims to Ukraine. The masks have been dropped.
He stated that there would no longer be a border between Poland and Ukraine for decades, or even centuries."


Does this retard know what Shengen is, if UA joined the EU there really wouldn't be a border between the two countries but I guess the concept of EU also goes over the heads of kremlintards who treat every "Republic" under their wings as a wiping rag, source of actual slave labor and cannon fodder and free grain.
 
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Dmitry Medvedev went on telegram to do some Industrial Grade Projection at Poland

The Poles proclaimed the division of Ukraine

Polish President Andrzej Duda
officially recognized territorial claims to Ukraine. The masks have been dropped.
He stated that there would no longer be a border between Poland and Ukraine for decades, or even centuries.
O sancta simplicitas!

He chose a more than suitable occasion for this statement - National Constitution Day. The national self-consciousness of the Poles has clearly strengthened against the backdrop of the deepest crisis in the neighboring country, exhausted by the bastard rule of the Kyiv regime. And along with it, territorial appetites are steadily growing.

Western Ukraine will be a welcome acquisition for the hungry return of the lands of Poland. Of course, under the veil of beautiful words about eternal brotherhood. But what will the resigned Ukrainian neighbor do for the sake of an illusory dream of a happy life under the umbrella of the European Union.

However, do not flatter yourself and indulge in vain dreams. Whatever spells this same Duda cast, we are talking about the actual annexation by Poland of the territories of Western Ukraine. The soil is being probed slowly but surely. The phantom pains of former greatness, which have tormented the Poles for several centuries, have not disappeared anywhere. The task is simple - to regain the coveted historical lands, hiding behind aggressive anti-Russian rhetoric and false mantras about common happiness with “borderless” Ukraine. To avenge the numerous partitions of Poland.

It is clear that this imaginary brotherhood will not bring anything to the Ukrainians themselves, except for the final loss of their statehood.
Or maybe that's what they want?

P.S. Most people in Poland believe that Polish soldiers should take part in a peacekeeping mission in Ukraine if it is organized by NATO, the UN or the EU.
According to a survey by the IBRiS laboratory, 56.8% of respondents support the deployment of troops to Ukrainian territory.
Q.E.D.
Particulairly interesting, IMO, is this part:
"The phantom pains of former greatness, which have tormented the Poles for several centuries, have not disappeared anywhere. The task is simple - to regain the coveted historical lands, hiding behind aggressive anti-Russian rhetoric and false mantras about common happiness with “borderless” Ukraine. To avenge the numerous partitions of Poland.

It is clear that this imaginary brotherhood will not bring anything to the Ukrainians themselves, except for the final loss of their statehood."


Like, motherfucker, is there not a single mirror in the whole of kremlin?

Edit: Also:
"Polish President Andrzej Duda officially recognized territorial claims to Ukraine. The masks have been dropped.
He stated that there would no longer be a border between Poland and Ukraine for decades, or even centuries."


Does this retard know what Shengen is, if UA joined the EU there really wouldn't be a border between the two countries but I guess the concept of EU also goes over the heads of kremlintards who treat every "Republic" under their wings as a wiping rag, source of actual slave labor and cannon fodder and free grain.
isn't it nice how Russia is concerned about Ukraine's territorial integrity and the possible landgrab by it's neighbours?
seriously tho, how does he not spontanously self-combust after writing something so hypocritical?
 
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