Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Chinggis Khan]

the israel palestine situation only came about after the israelis achieved total victory in the first arab israeli war, and every repeat war after that as well.
if creating a situation like that was russias goal, it would actually have to capture and demilitarize all ukraine first, then release parts of it as a semi autonomous demilitarized rump state.

This is just being pedantic. Of course no analogy is going to be 100% alike. The point is that Russia is going to demonstrate a constant military presence over Ukraine. It’s actually worse than Palestine, because they will likely continue to make territorial acquisitions in order to secure the defense of their military forces, and ironically, their “people”. This will just continue to go for perpetuity until Ukraine finally stops listening to the West to continue the war and if that never comes then it will never end

 

[IKOL]

Seeing how feverishly the general AnyCountry's public believes the propaganda the state media spits out, it could genuinely work.

FTFY, and well, yeah, generally people are tend to believe anything said in state media or by certain influencers\people with some grasp of power that they have.

russia's growing more totalitarian by the day,

I don't see it. I live my life as usual, and I see no "growing more totalitarian by the day".

one effect of that is that the government has extreme power over public narratives due to its direct control over the media.

Like in any other country. USA and Canada are a special case of this faggotry.

using that, it is relatively easy for them to agree to a mediocre compromise and ceasefire, and spin it as a great victory in the home media.

Quite the rich imagination you have here. Time for compromises has long gone, lad, the time for this was before the shit have kicked out and a few weeks after.

 

[Garm]

Its also counter intuitive to assume Russia is fully in control of the situation at this point. They are in no position to dictate terms to Ukraine right now. If they really did "draw down" and seek more limited objectives, then that is really stupid. They aimed for the king and missed. Russia can't just say "objectives achieved, war over" like they did in 2014. Any end to the war has to involve Ukraine stopping its attacks on Russia too. Failing to decapitate Ukraines government and also failing to defeat their army in the field means Ukraine has no incentive to stop the war. Russia is stuck. Even if on May 9th they declare victory and say the war is over, I guarantee on May 10 Ukraine will continue to shell Russian positions and another 100 Russian soldiers will be sent home in a box. Pretty hard to tell your people you've won when every day after victory brings more dead soldiers, more video of blown up tanks, and more sunk warships.

Russia has to win this, or admit defeat. They are in no position for half measures. On that note, interesting war map update. The Russian village of Valkovskyi in Belgorod region has come under artillery fire from Ukraine.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/25/ukraine-weaponry-russia-war-00027406

https://www.digitaljournal.com/world/ukraine-seeks-to-stall-relentless-russian-onslaught-in-donbas/article

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2022/0504/Russian-war-s-Phase-2-How-Ukraine-troops-adapt-giving-little-ground

Kinda sounds like Ukraine is getting whomped on.

French News talked about the "Ukrainians 81st Airmobile Brigade" where they were down to 140 conscripts led by a lieutenant that never finished officer school. The average age of the conscripts is 40. They had to walk 12 kilometers because seemingly their APC's had been destroyed. They were being rotated off the line for a week before being sent back to the front.

Ukraine scraped the bottom of the barrel to survive this long. Much longer is going to destroy them.

 

[Gamergirl Cleanup Crew]

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CUCKED

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Territorial concessions are a fact of life and especially eastern europe. Every single Eastern European state was born from making concessions to its neighbors, often after brutal wars and genocides. The reason Lithuanians and Polish don’t seethe over it anymore is because they don’t have a massive propaganda apparatus continuing to rile them up.

As far as Ukraine is concerned, the pro-Ukraine side should have realized territorial concessions would be in the works as soon as they overthrew the elected government during euromaiden. As soon as that happened, “Ukraine” ceased being what it was, a neutral moderate state born just recently from negotiations and compromise, and became something entirely different. That not everybody in the country was going to go along with. By not acknowledging this basic fact, Ukraine itself became an aggressor.

Ukraine exists for something like 20 years. Any time of "Territorial concessions" is long gone by then. The whole war is Russia wanting energy reserves, anything else is extremely dishonest. Also wtf is that ridiculous logic? "Ukraine went through an internal turmoil and that's somehow aggressive towards Russia"? If part of Ukraine wants to join Russia, then the citizens can apply for a citizenship there and move there. No country on earth would willingly surrended citizens and land for zero benefit.

The whole conversation around justification for Russia's action is filled with doublethink. "Russia deserves the land for being stronger, but how dare Ukraine sacrifice its populace by fighting the Russians?!". "Russia deserves land because part of Ukraine see themselves as ethnic Russian, but how dare Ukrainians want to remain citizens of Ukraine?!". "Russia deserves the land for suffering inflicted towards ethnic Russians. But how dare Ukraininans retaliate against suffering inflicted upon them?!".

 

[Chinggis Khan]

Ukraine exists for something like 20 years. Any time of "Territorial concessions" is long gone by then.

20 years is practically nothing in terms of nation-states. That means most of the adult population in Crimea has a living memory of voting for independence and compromising on having greater autonomy and a pro-Russian stance written into the constitution. They saw these compromises evaporate when a minority faction overthrew their elected government with foreign aid.

The whole conversation around justification for Russia's action is filled with doublethink.

Not really, there’s really no morality to it all. That’s why Clausewitz called it “Politics by other means”. As far as the rest of the world should be concerned, this is just an internal civil war. It’s not some major violation of a “rules based system of order” when those rules went out the window when one faction overthrew the government.

I do understand the side of the pro-Ukranians, but considering their position, wanting to become a EU/NATO state, should have realized this would require a peaceful separation of territories. In 2014 they had all the cards, and they could have maintained 90% of their territory. Unfortunately they are being manipulated into fighting a war they can’t win by forces outside of their control. See “Strategy of Denial”, the US wants to attempt grinding down Russia in a brutal all out war. If that doesn’t work, they will brush their hands of it and walk away and move on, just like they did to the Afghans, the South Vietnamese, etc. They aren’t your friends and nobody cares.

 

[White_N]

The whole conversation around justification for Russia's action is filled with doublethink. "Russia deserves the land for being stronger, but how dare Ukraine sacrifice its populace by fighting the Russians?!". "Russia deserves land because part of Ukraine see themselves as ethnic Russian, but how dare Ukrainians want to remain citizens of Ukraine?!". "Russia deserves the land for suffering inflicted towards ethnic Russians. But how dare Ukraininans retaliate against suffering inflicted upon them?!".

It is not doublethink, it is the oldest way of interaction, "an eye for an eye until the world is blind". There are no rules, just pick your favorite horse and take a bet.

 

[AGPinochet]

The Economist moves from coping to the next step, seething. No estimate on when dilation will take place.
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Ukrainesisters, how did this happen????????? We lied about shooting down 400 IL-76's and fucking owned the chuds on Social media!!!!!!
Oh no no no Ukrainesisters 5,757,014 people have fled the country (and increase of nearly 49,000 over yesterday) and with each passing day they get more and more used to living in an EU country and will be less and less willing to return to a bombed out eastern European shithole ruled by Oligarchs. Ukrainesisters our demography doesn't feel so good.

 

[Fougaro]

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The Russians are retreating bravely and advancing cowardly.

With the power of anime, God, and communism on their side.
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The real tragedy of this war is weebs killing their fellow weebs...

 

[East_Clintwood]

The real tragedy of this war is weebs killing their fellow weebs...

>Dead weebs
>In any way a tragedy

 

[White_N]

Ukrainesisters, how did this happen????????? We lied about shooting down 400 IL-76's and fucking owned the chuds on Social media!!!!!!
Oh no no no Ukrainesisters 5,757,014 people have fled the country (and increase of nearly 49,000 over yesterday) and with each passing day they get more and more used to living in an EU country and will be less and less willing to return to a bombed out eastern European shithole ruled by Oligarchs. Ukrainesisters our demography doesn't feel so good.

Ukrainian women being seduced by balding slobs of europe, while their man forced by law to fight "to the last ukranian".
And being an ordinary ukrainian surrounded by nazi battalions while being ruled as jewish flesh puppet is hellish pandemonium.

Clown world at its peak.
Cry or laugh it all doesn't matter.

 

[mate]

This is a Slav on Slav smashing match. A Slavocaust, if you will. Why can't the West just watch on safely from the stands of the Slavosseum? They could use their Slavoculars.

We truly live in a Slavociety.

 

[borsabil]

Ukrainian women being seduced by balding slobs of europe, while their man forced by law to fight "to the last ukranian".
And being an ordinary ukrainian surrounded by nazi battalions while being ruled as jewish flesh puppet is hellish pandemonium.

Clown world at its peak.
Cry or laugh it all doesn't matter.

Ukie men should be proud. Not only are they defending their homeland they're laying down their lives so that troons and child groomers can sleep soundly knowing that Putler won't rig the 2024 election again. The fact that their wives and girlfriends are being impregnated by beer-bellied Krauts and Britbongs is a small price to pay.

the israel palestine situation only came about after the israelis achieved total victory in the first arab israeli war, and every repeat war after that as well.
if creating a situation like that was russias goal, it would actually have to capture and demilitarize all ukraine first, then release parts of it as a semi autonomous demilitarized rump state.

The last incursion Israel made into Lebanon didn't go so well. They had their arses handed to them by Hizbollah and haven't been back since. Point being that disarming your neighbours and turning them into weak vassals doesn't work in the long run. Hate and loathing increase with time. Religious extremism and ultra-nationalism ferment among the young. Enemy states will arm and encourage troublemakers and so on. The Russians are great students of history and will be aware but nonetheless they still went in because they felt they had no choice, and they didn't.

To leave Ukraine alone would mean they would be slowly encircled over time. Total subjugation and incorporation into the Russian Federation also not feasible as the western half of Ukraine is more Polish than Russian and absent a near total ethnic cleansing a never ending guerilla war is all but guaranteed. So they've gone for the sandwich with the least shit, carve out as much of the ethnic Russian parts as they can and then go for the Cyprus solution. Over time hope that the burgers overextend themselves and eventually pull out. Right now any negotiated deal is impossible as the burgers won't allow it, so the Russians will keep on.

 

[White_N]

Vladimir Zelensky signed a decree canceling the spring conscription and announcing the demobilization of previously conscripted conscripts.
I'm not sure what caused it and what it will lead to.
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Another rally at the UN headquarters in New York.

 

[Josterman]

 

[White_N]

Why can't the West just watch on safely from the stands of the Slavosseum

The family curse of eternal anglo also plagues Burger Land; it is inescapable.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Pro-Russian maps are now admitting Russia is retreating/being pushed back from the Kharkiv area.

Spoiler: Don't worry, it's a feint too, it's all going according to The Plan

 

[Josterman]

 

[Elbereth]

These moralizing diatribes ring hollow to me. At the end of this war Russia will have a country. Regardless of how many “thousands of dead Russian boys” there are. Russia will exist. Ukraine won’t.

Ukraine is already dead. You need women to reproduce a nation. You don’t need men to reproduce. This is why every famine in history has led to a population increase. It’s why the Jewish population increased during the Holocaust. Don’t know why this is so hard for people to understand when it’s basically just nature taking effect

Results matter. If Ukraine compromised with the separatists they would have had a future nation. Now they don’t. Who is the ukranian patriot? The one calling for peace and negotiations, or the one who pushed for war?

It is the latter that killed Ukraine

Lol. Lmao.

 

[Lookie-lou]

good to see baldy beanie boy is still kicking around for relevance. But yeah it was stupid. If a yank sub mysteriously [likely conventional or old, Moskva was an old crap-hulk despite being a old ASM pretty ship] goes down over the next 5 years we will know who to blame.