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General question - Why is it assumed that most, if not all, children have to have sex in high school and there is nothing you can do about it?
 
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I think probably because a lot of people come from very retarded areas where the schools are bad, overcrowded, and poorly funded.

There's always this weird debate over sex education and whether to give it or not give it, and that seems like a very autistic understanding of how people work. Anyone who went to a somewhat better school can probably tell you that there's way less of an issue with it, because I don't want to rock anyone's world here, but if you give people healthy enjoyable things to do, they will be less likely to turn to unhealthy behaviors. Like if kids are participating in clubs and sports and all looking towards college and have familial/social support, they'll generally be far better off.

That doesn't mean kids won't screw, but they'll do it less, they'll be safer about it, they'll wait until later, their relationships will be healthier, and they'll be less vulnerable to peer pressure.

If they're in a shitty overcrowded environment where they know they're going nowhere and their family doesn't care about them, they're going to do stupider stuff, and the only people who think you can control every second of a teenager's life are naive childless people. That especially goes for single parent households.

Point is people debate constantly like if you say the correct magic words to kids that they'll suddenly only make wise choices, which is a really absurd notion. It's not that easy.
 
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Uberpenguin said:
I think probably because a lot of people come from very retarded areas where the schools are bad, overcrowded, and poorly funded.

There's always this weird debate over sex education and whether to give it or not give it, and that seems like a very autistic understanding of how people work. Anyone who went to a somewhat better school can probably tell you that there's way less of an issue with it, because I don't want to rock anyone's world here, but if you give people healthy enjoyable things to do, they will be less likely to turn to unhealthy behaviors. Like if kids are participating in clubs and sports and all looking towards college and have familial/social support, they'll generally be far better off.

That doesn't mean kids won't screw, but they'll do it less, they'll be safer about it, they'll wait until later, their relationships will be healthier, and they'll be less vulnerable to peer pressure.

If they're in a shitty overcrowded environment where they know they're going nowhere and their family doesn't care about them, they're going to do stupider stuff, and the only people who think you can control every second of a teenager's life are naive childless people. That especially goes for single parent households.

Point is people debate constantly like if you say the correct magic words to kids that they'll suddenly only make wise choices, which is a really absurd notion. It's not that easy.
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Basically its a complicated issue that people try to apply a simple solution to. I don't think it helps children having sex in high school is this big thing that is reinforced currently by any media relating to high school especially in TV shows which leads to making kids think it is a normal and casual occurrence which should be emulated in real life. This also leads to a lot of peer pressure which is an issue you mentioned.
 
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Uberpenguin said:
I think probably because a lot of people come from very retarded areas where the schools are bad, overcrowded, and poorly funded.

There's always this weird debate over sex education and whether to give it or not give it, and that seems like a very autistic understanding of how people work. Anyone who went to a somewhat better school can probably tell you that there's way less of an issue with it, because I don't want to rock anyone's world here, but if you give people healthy enjoyable things to do, they will be less likely to turn to unhealthy behaviors. Like if kids are participating in clubs and sports and all looking towards college and have familial/social support, they'll generally be far better off.

That doesn't mean kids won't screw, but they'll do it less, they'll be safer about it, they'll wait until later, their relationships will be healthier, and they'll be less vulnerable to peer pressure.

If they're in a shitty overcrowded environment where they know they're going nowhere and their family doesn't care about them, they're going to do stupider stuff, and the only people who think you can control every second of a teenager's life are naive childless people. That especially goes for single parent households.

Point is people debate constantly like if you say the correct magic words to kids that they'll suddenly only make wise choices, which is a really absurd notion. It's not that easy.
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Mostly this. It's why, despite all the God bothering and Praise Dah Baby Jesus indoctrination in hicksville areas, out of wedlock births and drug abuse is still rampant because kids don't have anything to do except get high and screw, the prospects are absolutely garbage unless you're smart enough to leave while you're young, and anything that isn't football doesn't get shit in terms of attention or funding...and varsity football doesn't last forever, even though people talk about it like it does.

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I don't think it helps children having sex in high school is this big thing that is reinforced currently by any media relating to high school especially in TV shows which leads to making kids think it is a normal and casual occurrence which should be emulated in real life. This also leads to a lot of peer pressure which is an issue you mentioned.
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John Hughes should be flogged publicly for what he's done to the culture.
 
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Mostly this. It's why, despite all the God bothering and Praise Dah Baby Jesus indoctrination in hicksville areas, out of wedlock births and drug abuse is still rampant because kids don't have anything to do except get high and screw, the prospects are absolutely garbage unless you're smart enough to leave while you're young, and anything that isn't football doesn't get shit in terms of attention or funding...and varsity football doesn't last forever, even though people talk about it like it does.
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One of the reasons I never had sex before I graduated was that I was well acquainted with teen mothers and even friends with a few of them. All of them had one thing in common - parents that gave no fucks. Most of them were in broken homes, but one who had two kids before 17 had both parents still married, they just didn't care. They were all white, btw.
 
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One of the reasons I never had sex before I graduated was that I was well acquainted with teen mothers and even friends with a few of them. All of them had one thing in common - parents that gave no fucks. Most of them were in broken homes, but one who had two kids before 17 had both parents still married, they just didn't care. They were all white, btw.
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Trash is trash, no color has the monopoly.
 
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It's in the groomers' interest to frame them as inherently sexual as early as possible, and to encourage it, and where better for them to begin than high school? Then they work their way down.
 
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Because the regime likes to promote casual sex. Abstinence is correctly identified as a behavior of conservatives and Christians, and Christian conservatives are the regime's enemy.

Uberpenguin said:
I think probably because a lot of people come from very retarded areas where the schools are bad, overcrowded, and poorly funded.

There's always this weird debate over sex education and whether to give it or not give it, and that seems like a very autistic understanding of how people work. Anyone who went to a somewhat better school can probably tell you that there's way less of an issue with it, because I don't want to rock anyone's world here, but if you give people healthy enjoyable things to do, they will be less likely to turn to unhealthy behaviors. Like if kids are participating in clubs and sports and all looking towards college and have familial/social support, they'll generally be far better off.

That doesn't mean kids won't screw, but they'll do it less, they'll be safer about it, they'll wait until later, their relationships will be healthier, and they'll be less vulnerable to peer pressure.

If they're in a shitty overcrowded environment where they know they're going nowhere and their family doesn't care about them, they're going to do stupider stuff, and the only people who think you can control every second of a teenager's life are naive childless people. That especially goes for single parent households.

Point is people debate constantly like if you say the correct magic words to kids that they'll suddenly only make wise choices, which is a really absurd notion. It's not that easy.
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Are you a parent?
 
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Breadbassket said:
Basically its a complicated issue that people try to apply a simple solution to. I don't think it helps children having sex in high school is this big thing that is reinforced currently by any media relating to high school especially in TV shows which leads to making kids think it is a normal and casual occurrence which should be emulated in real life. This also leads to a lot of peer pressure which is an issue you mentioned.
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Right, if things had a simple solution people would take them, and I think it's a little arrogant to act like all these people simply don't care or are too dumb to work things out.

There needs to be actual involvement on a personal level. If you let society raise your children, don't be surprised if they stop being your children after a while, but at the same time people only have so much energy and attention and they've been run so ragged by how things are that I can't blame them for not being able to involve themselves completely in their kids' lives. Nothing seems simple anymore, I think that's exactly why there are so many childless couples these days.

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Are you a parent?
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Sure. Or not, imagine whichever option makes you more upset, my Filipino friend.
 
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Right, if things had a simple solution people would take them, and I think it's a little arrogant to act like all these people simply don't care or are too dumb to work things out.

There needs to be actual involvement on a personal level. If you let society raise your children, don't be surprised if they stop being your children after a while, but at the same time people only have so much energy and attention and they've been run so ragged by how things are that I can't blame them for not being able to involve themselves completely in their kids' lives. Nothing seems simple anymore, I think that's exactly why there are so many childless couples these days.
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If a teenager asked you if they should have sex in high school or try to wait until they are an adult, what would you tell them?
 
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If a teenager asked you if they should have sex in high school or try to wait until they are an adult, what would you tell them?
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If some teenager asked me that question I'd answer "Why the hell are you asking me this? Where are your parents at?"

I have no position on the genitals of teenagers, I'm a little more worried about their overall outcomes as human beings. I'd suggest they worry about pursuing higher goals and actualization because like I said, if they have something else worthwhile to pursue they'll live healthier and more fulfilled lives and be better more confident people, and thus make the correct decisions of their own accord, rather than, say, spending their lives in abortion containment threads then looking through the post history of people who call them stupid.

It's too bad your parents didn't do that. Tough break, man.
 
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The idea that highschool kids should abstain from relationships is even more recent. In older days they would be having kids and getting married even sooner than that.
 
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