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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
I'm pretty sure losing access to abortion is a lowering of life standards but ok.

The war is old news. It's like day 100 and people stopped caring when oil prices rose in week 2. The war hasn't been hot news in like a month.

The decisions is happening imminently and someone leaked it. I fail to see how this is proof of sinister meddling.

As if the the "inflation, falling economy and lowering life standards" debates aren't also old worn-out debates that get brought up LITERALLY EVERY ELECTION.



The brief from the Supreme Court says otherwise. You would know if you looked at it even a single time.

?????????
If we want to go into political reasons, there are 5 conservative justices on the court who are very sympathetic to the pro life position. It seems like if we look into political reasons it seems like there is a much.

The point I wanted to make with this is that news stories sometimes happen with out it being some evil shadow conspiracy to cuck republicans. Republicans have been trying to send a case to the supreme court to get Roe overturned, as well as stacking the court with pro life justices. This was bound to happen. Acting like its a democrat conspiracy is just just /poltard thinking.
TLDR. Don't care.
 
Lol very, very few women are using abortion as birth control. It's a pretty invasive thing (both emotionally and can be physically, too).
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Source is a pro-choice organization. Granted, the study does not go into further details on the whys, but that's still contraceptive. People ain't gonna stop fucking, but people keep forgetting the primary purpose of fucking. Somehow I doubt all the roughly 9000 aborted fetuses from the 2014 group were rape babies/mutants.
 
Not at all. Saying women should have control over their own bodies is the opposite of fascism. You're the one saying the government should have control over peoples' bodies. Yet I remember you being one of the ones throwing a tantrum over vaccine and mask mandates.

I can think troons are weird and still be pro-choice. I may vote Democrat, but unlike you, I can say things Democrats do that I disagree with. You are unable to ever disagree with anything your boomer GOP overlords do.
lol what? I'm vaxxed and boosted nigga. But, tbf - I do think the mandates are gay, lol. But I think the whole "I don't like the feds telling people to do what they want with their bodies" thing isn't very hypocritical.

And I don't think it's OK to stereotype A&N posters. I'm pretty sure half of us are just shit posting rightoids and white people on /r/drama. This bigotry will not stand!
 
In California he's not legally the father as he hasn't signed the birth certificate. I'm unsure where that story arc is because he grandstands about getting a lawyer and signing it in order to be in his son's life.
what a moron

that just means he's not the legal father until the mother wants him to be. she can establish paternity at any time. if they're living together and he's been acting as a father I'm not even sure she'd need a paternity test - instead he'd need a test that showed he was not the biological father in order to get out of paying CS. especially not if there's any kind of internet footprint of him saying that paper abortion stuff.
 
Damn it sure is weird how we managed to climb our way up to being the most prosperous nation in history while infanticide wasn't a nationally protected thing and have been on a fuckin downhill slide ever since it got passed and the nuclear family began eroding.
You know that correlation doesn't equal causation, right?

Are you seriously saying that after 1973 Roe vs Wade case everything went to shit? And besides, standards have fluctuated from 1973 - now, yet abortion's legality has remained a constant. You don't think that economic factors had anything to do with a decline in living standards?

Did Roe cause the mass unemployment when manufacturing jobs fled to Asian and Mexico? Did Roe cause the 80s and 90s crime waves, despite reducing the number of unloved and unwanted kids growing up in ghettos?
 
My kingdom for a horrifying sticker.
Lol your side is the one that celebrates black people dying and is full of people wanting to get rid of federal protection for interracial marriage. Ironic that you, of all people, would say someone isn't qualified to talk about the law. You assured me that the election would be overturned in the courts and that I was wrong. Turns out I was right about 60 times when the obese, elderly conman you want to have sex with lost all but 2 of his post-election lawsuits. But yeah you're totally a super real lawyer and not LARPing as one on the internet.

It's cool that you have a fetish for troons but that ain't my thing man.


An Indiana senator wants to overturn federal protection for interracial marriage and this will probably lead to you Republicans trying to overturn gay marriage. You guys are already working on birth control in Louisiana, too. No idea why you retards want to bring us back to the 1700s
When Kevin Samuels recently died wasn't it a bunch of Democrat (Black women) voters celebrating his death? Wasn't a bunch of black men dancing that a Black man who didn't agree with black culture died? Sure. It's the Republicans celebrating black people dying, funny how the most "anti-minority" among us were seen either didn't say anything while multiple feminist, TERF posters (Democrats) and more were glad he was gone... Seems pretty weird my guy and almost like lefist were celebrating a black man's death just because he wasn't a puppet for them and parroting what they wanted to hear.
"States rights" is just another way for you GOPers to take away rights from people. You're trying to ban a medical procedure because you want to turn the US into a theocracy

Again, you were throwing a temper tantrum over mask mandates because "MAH BODY MAH CHOICE" but when it comes to pushing your theocratic views on the rest of us, you're fine with controlling people's bodies

And it's not about "MAH BABIES" or you'd be pushing for universal healthcare and welfare for poor single mothers. Instead you guys want to get rid of welfare
It's the opposite. Leftist disregarded my body my choice and now you realize actions have consequences. I remember right after mask mandates came into play multiple local area news stations and even political channels began talking about how this was a bad idea becaues it put Roe v. Wade in the crosshairs for overturning in the courts, but like a stereotypical leftist you plugged your ears and didn't even pay attention as literal judges were DIRECTLY telling you the mask mandate was setting up a bunch of legal overturns.

I know the news and more is garbage but I expect the party that worships it to at least pay attention to it.
Forgive me for not being American, but I don't see why this is such a big controversy?

My understanding is that all this ruling really does, is make it so that state governments - and by extension, local communities, operating according to their own communal values - can decide how much abortion will be permitted, within their own territory. So if a Republican community wants to enslave women by forcing them to have children with their Craigslist hookups, they can do that. And if a Democratic community wants to continue murdering tens of millions of black children, they can do that too. From mandatory sex camps for unclean women to post-birth abortions up to the age of 18, everyone can now have as much, or as little, abortion as they desire.

It's literally a win-win situation that benefits both sides. So why in god's name is anyone upset about it?
Because leftists are upset when the legal system doesn't basically capitulate to each of their childish needs. They're upset they can't have their cake and eat it and that consequences exist. Having to respond like an adult to the left is basically asking them to jump off a bridge.
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Source is a pro-choice organization. Granted, the study does not go into further details on the whys, but that's still contraceptive. People ain't gonna stop fucking, but people keep forgetting the primary purpose of fucking. Somehow I doubt all the roughly 9000 aborted fetuses from the 2014 group were rape babies/mutants.
Using it in the month they became pregnant doesn't disprove they could have had multiple partners and used contraception sometimes, or used it once or twice and disregarded the other times they had sex. Some of these same ladies are having multiple partners, or they don't count it as sex with certain people for who knows what insane reason. So it' a little bit of a deceptive study/claim. Similar to "High number of traffic accidents are caused by people at slower speeds." Which has also had some tidbits shown to be fudged with how they came to said conclusion.
 
there is no direct legal connection between mask mandates and Roe. There are social, psychological, cultural connections, sure. But mask mandates were executive orders, mostly by local authorities. Your mayor and sheriff have extensive emergency powers, in a real emergency your state governor is effectively a dictator and it's completely legal. These powers were badly misused for covid because covid wasn't a fucking emergency but they're completely legal and they're functions of the executive branch of the government at the state and local level. Roe is a Supreme Court decision telling the states that abortion is a constitutional matter, which begins to set out court's constitutional analysis giving the parameters under which state abortion laws will not be struck down as unconstitutional, a process which is completed in Casey. Not the same area of law or of government at all.
 
there is no direct legal connection between mask mandates and Roe. There are social, psychological, cultural connections, sure. But mask mandates were executive orders, mostly by local authorities. Your mayor and sheriff have extensive emergency powers, in a real emergency your state governor is effectively a dictator and it's completely legal. These powers were badly misused for covid because covid wasn't a fucking emergency but they're completely legal and they're functions of the executive branch of the government at the state and local level. Roe is a Supreme Court decision telling the states that abortion is a constitutional matter, which begins to set out court's constitutional analysis giving the parameters under which state abortion laws will not be struck down as unconstitutional, a process which is completed in Casey. Not the same area of law or of government at all.
I agree, but I think it's more of a loose straw that broke the camels back. There had already been a focus on it prior but the consideration to overturn was being set up. I don't think it's that they were directly connected (or even the same legally )but it gave more ammunition for wanting an overturn a "If you do this, the people wanting X will have more validation to be specific in some states some of the mask mandates and how they were handled were being argued as unconstitutional or at least being argued to be thrown out temporarily because of how badly it was set up.

This happened in Illinois where several school districts had mask mandate lifted* (temporarily) and Pritzker lost, I'm not sure about how his appeal on the mask mandate went, as even if he won on the appeal, most areas had started to ignore the enforcement by then so it became a non-issue.

Kind of like the whole baking a cake issue and comparatively private business claims from big tech. They're loosely connected but did bring a focus on the latter despite the thin link.

The other option is that the news when having these interviews or talks from judges are just wrong on their comments just like most of their experts in regards to economics, and how to get people to stay in tax burdened states. But I'm not the legal expert on that. (But neither are most leftist)
 
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Forgive me for not being American, but I don't see why this is such a big controversy?

My understanding is that all this ruling really does, is make it so that state governments - and by extension, local communities, operating according to their own communal values - can decide how much abortion will be permitted, within their own territory. So if a Republican community wants to enslave women by forcing them to have children with their Craigslist hookups, they can do that. And if a Democratic community wants to continue murdering tens of millions of black children, they can do that too. From mandatory sex camps for unclean women to post-birth abortions up to the age of 18, everyone can now have as much, or as little, abortion as they desire.

It's literally a win-win situation that benefits both sides. So why in god's name is anyone upset about it?

Because, for American leftists, they want EVERYONE to obey them without question. Their entire political view that the US federal government should impose it's will on every single citizen without the ability to resist***, but this is antithetical to how the Constitution was formed as it was created primarily to restrain the federal government and allow states to main a certain degree of self-governance which is why we have the 10th Amendment which outlines that anything not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution is up for the states to decide on.

***DISCLAIMER: This part only applies when Democrats control everything, if Republicans have control that means it's evil and tyrannical.
 
@Mewtwo_Rain People are more willing to kick issues to the states these days because they've seen in the last 20 years broadly, and last 2 in particular, what an awful choice the Fed is. Roe was allowed to stand on shaky ground for a long time because the Federal Government was seen a lot less malevolently in the 80's and 90's than it is today.

The reason they got so bad in the Progressive Era was a lack of "competition" - any place where there's a monopoly leads to worse service for consumers. Same here. When everything these days has to be Supreme Top-Down Executive Power or nothing? A lot of people who only object to 10% of a law end up screwed because there's no way to get a local variance with that 10% removed, and the extreme left sees this as a feature, not a bug.

A lot of them are pro-Roe not because they believe it was the right decision, just that it gave all the power to one entity, limiting the number of offices they have to win/coerce to make their word law. They're in it for the power it conveys to the Fed, not because they think society's better off with it being uniform across the land.
 
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I agree, but I think it's more of a loose straw that broke the camels back. There had already been a focus on it prior but the consideration to overturn was being set up. I don't think it's that they were directly connected (or even the same legally )but it gave more ammunition for wanting an overturn a "If you do this, the people wanting X will have more validation to be specific in some states some of the mask mandates and how they were handled were being argued as unconstitutional or at least being argued to be thrown out temporarily because of how badly it was set up.

This happened in Illinois where several school districts had mask mandate lifted* (temporarily) and Pritzker lost, I'm not sure about how his appeal on the mask mandate went, as even if he won on the appeal, most areas had started to ignore the enforcement by then so it became a non-issue.

Kind of like the whole baking a cake issue and comparatively private business claims from big tech. They're loosely connected but did bring a focus on the latter despite the thin link.

The other option is that the news when having these interviews or talks from judges are just wrong on their comments just like most of their experts in regards to economics, and how to get people to stay in tax burdened states. But I'm not the legal expert on that. (But neither are most leftist)
The Supreme Court does not take the public temperature in this way. They don't completely ignore public concerns but *they are not elected officials and do not answer to the voters.* That's the entire point of them.

While I understand how this narrative makes sense, it's a constructed narrative that only works for people who are online a lot and consume a lot of news products created for a mass market. I really don't mean that in a dismissive way but it's just really obvious this thread who is getting their sense of why Roe is on the chopping block from general vibes on twitter and who has been following the actual law stuff.

Roe was always going to fall. There does definitely seem to be some behindthescenes shens going on about whose administration gets the blame for it. But this was going to happen if people at the wuhan lab had managed to follow safety procedures OR if a real working bioweapon had been released OR if there had been mass revolt against mandates OR if everyone in the US had accepted Australia-type restrictions. The trajectory would not have changed.
 
The Supreme Court does not take the public temperature in this way. They don't completely ignore public concerns but *they are not elected officials and do not answer to the voters.* That's the entire point of them.

While I understand how this narrative makes sense, it's a constructed narrative that only works for people who are online a lot and consume a lot of news products created for a mass market. I really don't mean that in a dismissive way but it's just really obvious this thread who is getting their sense of why Roe is on the chopping block from general vibes on twitter and who has been following the actual law stuff.

Roe was always going to fall. There does definitely seem to be some behindthescenes shens going on about whose administration gets the blame for it. But this was going to happen if people at the wuhan lab had managed to follow safety procedures OR if a real working bioweapon had been released OR if there had been mass revolt against mandates OR if everyone in the US had accepted Australia-type restrictions. The trajectory would not have changed.
Well yeah, this is why I'm jabbing at lefties because this would fit them entirely. Where I failed to notice a misconception is that although true the lefties do worship the news, what I forgot is after Trump's "removal" most lefties stopped caring about the news (CNN losss of viewership, TV viewship at all time lows, etc.), so even if the news was trying to warn them in a deceptive manner... Well most had stopped watching by then to care because Orangemanbad gone.

It's also why I'm sure Schumer (and Nancy/etc.) and more kept asking each new SC appointee about RvW, that way when it did fail they could then blame Trump SC picks and have leftist going about how right wingers are against body autonomy, which as seen in this topic worked like clockwork. Never let a good optics game go to waste.

Edit: Sorry if my posts come off as confusing I'm using leftist logic to poke at their arguments and perspectives. My perspective doesn't really matter as leftist don't abide by my logic, For instance I don't trust news experts, but it's not about what I trust or believe of their experts it's what the left wing believes of news "experts."
 
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"MY JEWISH DOCTOR! HE SAVED MY MOMMA'S LIFE! WE NEED BABY MURDER! #CHRISTAINTALIBAN!"

What a mound of bullshit.
This story is such utter bullshit. 50/50 on if she is deliberately lying and exaggerating or if she was a dumb scared kid at the time and wildly misunderstood everything that happened.

Miscarriages can be dangerous especially past a certain point, and fun fact, induced miscarriages aka abortion can cause the same torrential bleeding. This is so typical of how liberals solve problems- "you can't bleed to death if you already bled out."
 
This story is such utter bullshit. 50/50 on if she is deliberately lying and exaggerating or if she was a dumb scared kid at the time and wildly misunderstood everything that happened.

Miscarriages can be dangerous especially past a certain point, and fun fact, induced miscarriages aka abortion can cause the same torrential bleeding. This is so typical of how liberals solve problems- "you can't bleed to death if you already bled out."
There's a few indicators that it's purposeful lying.

She claims she didn't understand what they were talking about but then specifically remembers specific things that were required to save her mothers life from her half baked story. She says her father stayed up 72 hours, but how does she know this, was she watching him 24/7 and how did she keep track of the specific hour count, most kids aren't so observant of time passing. Then they false equate Judaism and Islam into the matter and factor "Christianity" which the law against abortion at the time had nothing to do with Christianity. (Culturally it can be argued but legally it wasn't about that) Then it throws in the "They're not going to heaven by not allowing us to push abortions guilt trip attempt. Also one final note, is she arguing that the "Jewish doctor" violated procedural law to save the mother's life? ...

That's not a "I was a dumb kid and just remember random specific details" story that's just a bullshitter doing a typical bullshit lie. The event in question could have happened but I doubt any of those details are true.
 
Because, for American leftists, they want EVERYONE to obey them without question. Their entire political view that the US federal government should impose it's will on every single citizen without the ability to resist***, but this is antithetical to how the Constitution was formed as it was created primarily to restrain the federal government and allow states to main a certain degree of self-governance which is why we have the 10th Amendment which outlines that anything not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution is up for the states to decide on.

***DISCLAIMER: This part only applies when Democrats control everything, if Republicans have control that means it's evil and tyrannical.
Yeah, Roe's place in the progressive mindscape is best understood as a display of dominance over the rest of society. It was holy writ that brooked no dissent and forced people to tolerate the intolerable, accepting that the social groups that produced Roe had dominance over them.
 
There's a few indicators that it's purposeful lying.

She claims she didn't understand what they were talking about but then specifically remembers specific things that were required to save her mothers life from her half baked story. She says her father stayed up 72 hours, but how does she know this, was she watching him 24/7 and how did she keep track of the specific hour count, most kids aren't so observant of time passing. Then they false equate Judaism and Islam into the matter and factor "Christianity" which the law against abortion at the time had nothing to do with Christianity. (Culturally it can be argued but legally it wasn't about that) Then it throws in the "They're not going to heaven by not allowing us to push abortions guilt trip attempt. Also one final note, is she arguing that the "Jewish doctor" violated procedural law to save the mother's life? ...

That's not a "I was a dumb kid and just remember random specific details" story that's just a bullshitter doing a typical bullshit lie. The event in question could have happened but I doubt any of those details are true.
Yeah and the "Vaxed, masked, etc" profile tag almost elevates her to satire level. The whole story could easily just be made up. She's probably one of those people who claims the Ghost of Kiev was "true in spirit."
 
You have an anime avatar and are a right-winger with a join date of a few months ago, which means you are likely suffer from crippling autism and came from /pol/, which means you have a fetish for obese, elderly men which is why you love Republicans. Sorry that this place isn't the alt-right manlet hugbox you were promised it was
ill hug your manlet box anytime you want babe
 
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