Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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from May 6

The head of the DPR, Denis Pushilin, and the Secretary of the General Council of the United Russia Party, Andrei Turchak, handed over Ukrainian sailors to their relatives in Kherson. The sailors were evacuated from the Mariupol port during the fighting.

12 people managed to be evacuated from the territory of the Azovstal plant: 9 women and 3 men. A bus with evacuees arrived in the village of Bezymyannoe.

The Lezginka of a Chechen serviceman in Ukraine.

 
Location to put air defense assets now that Moskva is gone. They were taking out a Tor-M1 site and fucking up the garrison and their boats. Not retaking the island. That was the cope the Russian MoD put out there for why things went all explodey.
Shouldn't they be S-300s instead of Tor? Tor only has 12km strike range if I remember.

I'm still waiting to see the joint Russian-Korean 50R6 in action, would be interesting.
 
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New thematic sculpture installation "Shoot yourself" in Kiev

The text of the plate:

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In Kharkiv, a white tiger was evacuated from the ecopark.

Two months of bombing shook the health of the cat.
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All those Google rules did was convince me that those things happened.
Jeez oh man. There was far too much chlorine in that gene pool.

Joe Biden’s failures have turned Saudi Arabia into Putin’s poodle - telegraph

"Saudi Arabia should be an ally of the UK, and it needs to think about the fact that it is sending unsuccessful geopolitical signals." Today, it looks more like an ally of Russia than a partner of the democratic world. "
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Some things never change, do they?
Tony Blair: The US poodle? - BBC
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It depends on framing. Like "Joe Biden is successfully ending the US Empire" would be good framing.

@protec cat
The Russians and China can squeeze us economically. Assuming World War 3 was going to be strictly military is probably the biggest mistake country leaders made.
 
Ukraineans is the Aryan race.The Saxons who serve to the Ukraineans are half-Aryans! The Ukraineans have fought the russians since Hyperborean times!
YAHWEH IS A PIG. OUR GOD IS PERUN AND DZIVA. THE SAXONS SHOULD SERVE TO THE UKRAINEANS. JESUS CONSIST OF PIG YESHUA. WE EAT PIG MEAT AND THE JEWS DON'T BECAUSE THEY CANNOT EAT THEMSELVES.

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Been avoiding happenings spergery, but your idol's friend chopped his wife to pieces with an axe
 
@Givi
Mass artillery usage is the hallmark of an army that wants to fight a real war against an enemy with a real army, you can throw all the tanks, planes and infantry you want at places like Popasna and Rubizhne, you're going to do fuck all if you aren't bombing the place to shit 24/7 and any piece of shit small city can be instantly turned into a meatgrinder with the installation of trenches and proper machinegun emplacements and defensive fortifications that cover eachother and funnel the enemy into kill zones.
No, it's a hallmarlk of an army that doesn't have enough guided munitions and/or airburst shells. 5-6" unguided shell is gonna do jack shit against a simple blindage or a trench unless it''s a direct hit. MLRS is also incredibly weak against entrenched personnel. If you bothered to read witnesses' accounts, it was air support that helped tremendously with the advance bc they have high-caliber bombs capable of knocking out fortifications and they're much more precise than arty.

No, the Russians aren't openly communicating without encryption, this was a Twitter meme that was completely unfounded and the media ran with.
Didn't know Baofengs have DMR capabilities. Same goes for Soviet-era radios found in abandoned vehicles.
 
Oh cool, you can see one of those concentration camps where ruZZky orks bring kidnapped ukrainian civvies for not telling where they store nutella.
I actually have a relevant video about that.Video from May 3

One evacuated man from Azovstal to Ukraine talks about how evacuation happened. They were accompanied by Ukrainian soldiers to the position of the Russian army where UN peacekeepers and Red Cross were also staying. Then they went through filtration. Obviously Russians were seeking soldiers. One woman who was in the Security Service of Ukraine was taken away and her younger sister was supposed to be taken by her relatives from Belarus. They are accompanied by Russian military and Red Cross personnel on the convoy, and no one is permitted to enter or exit the bus without authorization. People from surrounding villages are not taken on the same buses; only Mariupol evacuees move on them.

A bus with civilians from Azovstal left the factory on May 7

Also, Georgian troops were in Ukraine at least from October 2016.
 
I'm kind of curious as to why they tried to retake snake island. The position is not really particularly useful to either side. It would be useful if there was an airfield there, but as far as I know, there isn't one.
maybe they want to use it as a forward base from which they can fire their anti ship missiles, it would allow them to threaten a bigger part of the black sea
 
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I don't think they fit onto the Serna-class landing craft. Those are big TELs. Not to mention the radars and command shit they need that are just as huge. Tor has a much smaller footprint.
I looked up Snake Island on the map, it's over 80 miles off of Ukraine from Odessa by crow flies. I'm not sure of the use of a Tor there unless it was for Fire control and radar?

Forgive me for thinking like this. But I think the building adjacent vehicle was NOT a Tor. From the video I think it actually is a 9k33 Osa variant (probably the latest, 9K33M3). Reason is because the Tor is not flat from the top is due to the vertical launching missiles, but the horizontally angled Osa launch rockets will look similar to the flat square/rhomboid I saw on the video.

Then again, its shitty quality so who knows.
 
Much needed propaganda win. Some people are either questioning or entirely refusing the narrative of ukrainians winning all the time.
That's about the only real value I could see in it. Granted if it were up to me, I'd level all the existing buildings there and turn it into an airfield and emergency anchorage. Not really with this war in mind, but for future wars.
maybe they want to use it as a forward base from which they can fire their anti ship missiles, it would allow them to threaten a bigger part of the black sea
You'd have to actually get those anti-ship missiles there, and Ukraine doesn't really have a Navy left. They certainly couldn't resupply the island.
 
Given the pell mell retreat from Kyiv
This is false. The retreat was surprisingly orderly, not much useful equipment was left behind and from my knowledge, no soldiers were killed or captured in this withdrawal. It's probably been one of the highlights of the Russian campaign in the North of the country, in general, not that there are many to begin with.
Not a retreat, just phase 2.




The largely quantities of masses of abandoned equipment and the atrocities are a matter of record for anyone but Russian propagandists and those who believe them. There are so many recording where vehicles with crews of at least three were struck and no evidence of evacuation. However the main point about the loss per vehicle is to highlight the incredible claims about Russian losses the Russian MoD makes. Some of the Moskva sailors lost are now classed as AWOL and apparently the ship was not taking part in the 'special operation' when lost. The efforts of some of the next of kin to get answers appears the reason for this slight. The initial operation was laughable with a vast confusion of vehicles and men of three sides of Kyiv, with similar at Cherniv and Sumy, VDV getting stuck in lifts or being left as garrison troops in Hostomel airport. That supposedly elite operation was defeated by the most improvised forces Kyiv had. Overdosing on copium isn't wise. The sheer inability of Russian troops to deal effectively with ambushes is well known.


Firing of Russian artillery to destroy vast urban areas, a blanket bombing from the ground, is the main Russian tactic. It was a characteristic of the second Chechen War, the Russian effort in Syria where urban areas where the Russian forces under Dvornikov battered cities until their populace could take no more, and now in Ukraine. This has to be contrasted with Ukrainian operations into Russia which resulted in few to almost no civilian casualties. Russia keeps launching precisely scheduled wave attacks which makes almost no progress, and there are reported loss of ground around Kharkiv and Kherson.

Aside from Kherson, Russia hasn't taken a single large urban area in this war. Mariupol is still contested, and utterly wrecked.

The weaknesses of Russian communications and command coordination is well known. Operations with little or no coordination was the story of Russian military operations in the north. Use of Chinese made Baofeng civilian walkie talkies has been claimed by Ukrainians, but while not confirmed, the poor performance around Kyiv, Cherniv, Sumy, where VDV troopers were lost while assets that could have supported them were close by, and armor was repeatedly sent into urban areas unsupported. Convoys without escort were possible in Syria, but ambush has a rich source of success for Ukrainian troops and foreign contingents like the battle hardened Georgian Legion. Sputnik, RIA Novosti and Tass might Russia troops have the best possible communication gear, but we have a reality of the present disaster. The partly Chinese made R-187P1 Azart is supposed to provide Russian troops with secure comms, but it has had severe issues and there are notable doubts about how many units have access to them. Its manufacturer has been investigated for the usual embezzlement. Early doubts about Russian comms have been borne out by repeated operations where expensively trained troops and some very expensive equipment was squandered by a failure to use vehicles and soldiers mouldering nearby. Incredibly some troops are relying on mobile phones for communication despite them being meant, wisely, to be left behind or confiscated if found.

Ukrainian intelligence can be contrasted to Russian efforts where an assassination squad brought a copy of the Sims rather than sim cards. Not sending their best. This claimed intercept with 25k losses has more credibility than the tiny numbers Peskov asserts have been lost. Many claims are propagandistic, but what matters is results, and Russia has not been shown results.

It's all a bit like how the Argentine junta kept claiming success after success in the Falklands War, and the response when the reality became clear was popular rage. I suspect a good many more recruitment offices (which hold local records of those liable for service), beyond the present one, will be torched, and munition works sabotaged.

By the by, found this funny Russian propaganda where Moslem migration to Europe is attacked, the masculinity of European men attacked, but Russia has a vast level of migration from almost wholly Moslem Central Asia (many bewildered migrants have been taken as prisoner) which adds to an already large native Moslem population.
 
All those Google rules did was convince me that those things happened.

Jeez oh man. There was far too much chlorine in that gene pool.

It depends on framing. Like "Joe Biden is successfully ending the US Empire" would be good framing.

@protec cat
The Russians and China can squeeze us economically. Assuming World War 3 was going to be strictly military is probably the biggest mistake country leaders made.
The Saudis might have cause to regret pissing off the US who defacto made them, that is to say US military protection and investment in their oil industry. When Saddam invaded Kuwait and later with the rematch, there was no question of the Saudis taking any sort of leading role. The Saudi military is both very well equipped and has a long record of brutality and incompetence in Yemen. Saudi princes should take it easy with the cocaine.
 
07.05 The Russian Defense Ministry reported on the repulse of the Ukrainian attack on Snake Island .


Satellite photos have been found showing an attempt of a naval landing on the island of Zmeiny from the AFU. In the picture from May 7, 2 vessels of the Ukrainian Navy are in the frame, heading from the island towards mainland Ukraine.


Another photo shows the contrails of jet planes near the island.


The fate of both ships is not clear from the photo, but the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported the destruction of the Ukrainian amphibious assault boat Stanislav, as well as aircraft, helicopters and UAVs of the Air Force

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Also before that, the Ukrainians bombed the island with the help of bayraktars. I'm not sure about the dates.

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Hey look it's the Island that the Russians supposedly leveled 3 months ago.
 
@Givi

No, it's a hallmarlk of an army that and/or airburst shells.
That makes no sense. Guided munitions are great, but normal artillery is still king of the third world battlefield of Ukraine, which is what we're discussing, and not whatever American doctrine you're thinking of. Conventional artillery works just fine, as evidenced by advances.

5-6" unguided shell is gonna do jack shit against a simple blindage or a trench unless it''s a direct hit
Good thing the Russians have more than enough MLRS, conventional artillery and time to bombard every trench they see with tons of explosives until they get a direct hit. A 4 truck battery of GRADs will carpet an area with 160 rockets. Bombard an area 10 times like the Russians do and you're going to get lucky eventually.

. If you bothered to read witnesses' accounts
I've read plenty and have observed the advances of the Russian army as they happen. They all came after mass artillery bombardments for days at a time. Russian aviation only works mildly safely in the Donbas area, they're getting used, sure, but they are by no stretch of the imagination the main motor of the Russian push.

Show me these witness accounts, not that they are very helpful even if true, because witness accounts in war are notoriously bad and have been since forever.

bc they have high-caliber bombs capable of knocking out fortifications and they're much more precise than arty.
Holy fuck this isn't the 1940s. Artillery is used heavily in conjunction with spotter drones. You don't need an airplane or even guided ammunition to make sure your mortar shells, improvised grenade launcher artillery, or howitzer shells are hitting their targets. Drones spot even for MLRS that may not hit what they want.

And high-caliber bombs? Yeah, I'm sure the fact they're not getting bombed by an airplane really comforts the troops on the receiving end of a OF-462 HE shell or a Krasnopol fired from a MSTA-S, after all, they're only 20 or 50kg of explosives. No biggie.

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doesn't have enough guided munitions
Citation needed. They still haven't run out of Kalibrs or Iskanders and we've seen plenty of Krasnopol use lately, with the help of spotter drones, destroying UAF armor.
 
Hey look it's the Island that the Russians supposedly leveled 3 months ago.
Don't forget the soldiers of the island who bravely fought to the last against the Russian invaders and were posthumously recognized as heroes of Ukraine:semperfidelis:

... until they suddenly came to life and were exchanged by Russia for their own POWs

Oops
 
I looked up Snake Island on the map, it's over 80 miles off of Ukraine from Odessa by crow flies. I'm not sure of the use of a Tor there unless it was for Fire control and radar?
To help secure the island until they get something better in maybe? Whatever the reason it was there. Then it got blown up.

And that TEL sure looks like a Tor 9A330/9A331 to me. I thought Osa used that three axle truck thingy as a TEL.
 
That makes no sense. Guided munitions are great, but normal artillery is still king of the third world battlefield of Ukraine, which is what we're discussing, and not whatever American doctrine you're thinking of. Conventional artillery works just fine, as evidenced by advances.


Good thing the Russians have more than enough MLRS, conventional artillery and time to bombard every trench they see with tons of explosives until they get a direct hit. A 4 truck battery of GRADs will carpet an area with 160 rockets. Bombard an area 10 times like the Russians do and you're going to get lucky eventually.


I've read plenty and have observed the advances of the Russian army as they happen. They all came after mass artillery bombardments for days at a time. Russian aviation only works mildly safely in the Donbas area, they're getting used, sure, but they are by no stretch of the imagination the main motor of the Russian push.

Show me these witness accounts, not that they are very helpful even if true, because witness accounts in war are notoriously bad and have been since forever.


Holy fuck this isn't the 1940s. Artillery is used heavily in conjunction with spotter drones. You don't need an airplane or even guided ammunition to make sure your mortar shells, improvised grenade launcher artillery, or howitzer shells are hitting their targets. Drones spot even for MLRS that may not hit what they want.

And high-caliber bombs? Yeah, I'm sure the fact they're not getting bombed by an airplane really comforts the troops on the receiving end of a OF-462 HE shell or a Krasnopol fired from a MSTA-S, after all, they're only 20 or 50kg of explosives. No biggie.

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Citation needed. They still haven't run out of Kalibrs or Iskanders and we've seen plenty of Krasnopol use lately, with the help of spotter drones, destroying UAF armor.
Why are you assuming only the Russians have artillery and drones in this war? Seems like a weird point to make when the Ukes have largely the same shit deployed as some kind of own. Msta, Giatsint, Pion, Grad, Smerch, etc.
 
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