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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
One of the unsung reasons why his ilk are so pissed off about this is that it'll slow down and possibly reverse the influx of blue refugees escaping their self-made hellscapes to vote for it again in red states. It also disincentivizes them from running away from their retarded policies and the consequences of them, as well.

TL;DR: It's "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHN NOW I CAN'T RUN FROM THE SHITTY OUTCOMES OF MY POLITICS WITHOUT LIVING IN A STATE THAT HAS LIMITS ON ABORTION! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHN"
It solves what Stonetoss has pinned as the California Problem - there's no legal way to specifically stop people from one state from heading to another state and ruining it with the same policies that made their own state a hellhole. Allowing states to put their own limits on abortion will stop the worst offenders from heading there just from that fact, and everyone knows states like Florida and Ohio will craft abortion laws to fend them off.

Should this stick, it might make sure that Californians can't convert Texas the easy way. It might even chip away at North Carolina and Virginia's blueification.
 
Abortion heads have showed up at what they think is Justice Roberts' house:


Edit: also at Kavanaugh's house

I'm assuming they live in posh Virginia suburbs outside DC, in which case this is just funny. I would imagine the Justices all knew this type of thing would happen, so they scampered off to hotels or cloistered DC condos or something immediately (I mean, that's what I'd do). If that's the case, then it's all their suburban VA democrat-voting neighbors who are being annoyed all evening and whose lives are being interrupted, not the Justices themselves.

You reap what you sow for supporting democrats.
 
It solves what Stonetoss has pinned as the California Problem - there's no legal way to specifically stop people from one state from heading to another state and ruining it with the same policies that made their own state a hellhole. Allowing states to put their own limits on abortion will stop the worst offenders from heading there just from that fact, and everyone knows states like Florida and Ohio will craft abortion laws to fend them off.

Should this stick, it might make sure that Californians can't convert Texas the easy way. It might even chip away at North Carolina and Virginia's blueification.
Exactly. People on the left, like our esteemed HHH however can't admit that it's one of the reasons they're pissed about this as it shows why they're upset even though it's not going to affect them at all. Their escape hatch to greener pastures (and opportunity to turn red states blue by escaping en masse) is closing and they're assmad about it.

They know damn well it's not going to affect them where they live, and despite such people thinking their opponents are drooling, inbred retards it's obvious to anyone with a brain that they haven't, don't, and won't give a shit if anyone in a red state gets fucked over - whether it be natural disasters, laws, etc. If they really were all about the "my body my choice" bullshit they'd have carried that logic over to jab passes and mask mandates.

Not that "my body my choice" is even much of an argument when it comes to abortion.
 
I never understood one thing coming from Satanist (I hate the anti-christ). If they believe abortion is a popular issue why not just bring it to a state poll? would solve all
That would risk a humiliation like California's gay marriage saga.

Well, not only that, but he's flat out wrong. Most Americans support some kind of restriction on abortions. Roe itself allows restrictions past some arbitrary time period that it made up.

It would be important to clearly decide once and for all when an embryo/fetus is considered a person, and starts to therefore enjoy the same rights as any individual.
Conception.

In most European countries
homie you really think I care about Europe

Those crumpets, krauts, baguettes, chorizos, and whatever other popular regional food names I can derogatorily call the people of the countries I don't know enough about-- they can be as wrong as they want.
 
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I'm assuming they live in posh Virginia suburbs outside DC, in which case this is just funny. I would imagine the Justices all knew this type of thing would happen, so they scampered off to hotels or cloistered DC condos or something immediately (I mean, that's what I'd do). If that's the case, then it's all their suburban VA democrat-voting neighbors who are being annoyed all evening and whose lives are being interrupted, not the Justices themselves.

You reap what you sow for supporting democrats.
Yeah these justices are not naïve or dumb. And they are high profile enough they probably either get consulting from the feds about security, or they hire their own private security consultants, or both. No doubt as soon as the leak was evident they took off to secure locations. Now many antifa will stalk them and find them there- but I have a shadow of hope that if they went THAT far normies would start getting uncomfortable.
 
You're fine with the SC removing freedoms
Explain in less than three sentences how the government working as intended, as per the tenth amendment, is removing anyone's freedoms.

You get bonus points if you can do the same with explaining why you're upset about abortion going to the states.

You even win a cookie if you can give a satisfactory answer with the same conditions as to how this personally affects you or anyone you personally know.

And I'll even give you a cake if you can do the same while explaining how it's okay to coerce people into taking a dangerous, experimental pharmaceutical product but it's not okay for states to decide on their own what limits to set on abortion.
 
but the SC will only make it an state issue. why shouldnt local communities decide what they want in their state?
Local communities and globalism are diametrically opposed, and the cities demand to dictate their ways everywhere. With that mindset something that happens in another state directly threatens their rootless ways if it's not how they want.
Exactly. People on the left, like our esteemed HHH however can't admit that it's one of the reasons they're pissed about this as it shows why they're upset even though it's not going to affect them at all. Their escape hatch to greener pastures (and opportunity to turn red states blue by escaping en masse) is closing and they're assmad about it.

They know damn well it's not going to affect them where they live, and despite such people thinking their opponents are drooling, inbred retards it's obvious to anyone with a brain that they haven't, don't, and won't give a shit if anyone in a red state gets fucked over - whether it be natural disasters, laws, etc. If they really were all about the "my body my choice" bullshit they'd have carried that logic over to jab passes and mask mandates.

Not that "my body my choice" is even much of an argument when it comes to abortion.
Everything that the Left has done since 2016 is pretty much predicated on never letting other people put restrictions on their rule again. It's why I laugh at the idea of 'but da left doesn't even think of what happens if it gets used against them'; it ignores the key concept that the Left has worked hard at institutional capture over the past century. They never plan on giving up that power. Pushing back against them and forcing them to cede ground is the only way you can really fight back in non-Minecraft methods.

Now, if the Biden Administration forces them to overturn this opinion? It might make things spicy if they declare the Judicial Branch subservient to the Executive Branch. What will Roberts do after that? What can Roberts do after that?
 
Now, if the Biden Administration forces them to overturn this opinion? It might make things spicy if they declare the Judicial Branch subservient to the Executive Branch. What will Roberts do after that? What can Roberts do after that?
Well if he does that the entire constitution is out of the window, if I'm not mistaken that's enshrined in the parts nobody ever reads. But it's been awhile since I studied civics.
 
Well if he does that the entire constitution is out of the window, if I'm not mistaken that's enshrined in the parts nobody ever reads. But it's been awhile since I studied civics.
Yeah people like to play pretend about boogaloos but shit would actually hit the fan (due to internal warring within the system, not because of (you) or me) if the Biden administration just openly subsumed the judicial branch and overrode it.
 
They don't care, but, I'm curious what you think is the mechanism they would use to force the supreme court to do anything.
The threat of court packing worked for Roosevelt.
Yeah people like to play pretend about boogaloos but shit would actually hit the fan (due to internal warring within the system, not because of (you) or me) if the Biden administration just openly subsumed the judicial branch and overrode it.
Impatience has always been their weak point, and the blatant leak about the opinion makes it clear that norms are being thrown out the window. Add that on top of a midterm season where the DNC is set to lose a lot? They'll focus on grasping onto power now and care about the aftereffects later. This isn't saying it will work, but it's what they'll go for.
 
You know that correlation doesn't equal causation, right?

Are you seriously saying that after 1973 Roe vs Wade case everything went to shit? And besides, standards have fluctuated from 1973 - now, yet abortion's legality has remained a constant. You don't think that economic factors had anything to do with a decline in living standards?

Did Roe cause the mass unemployment when manufacturing jobs fled to Asian and Mexico? Did Roe cause the 80s and 90s crime waves, despite reducing the number of unloved and unwanted kids growing up in ghettos?
The U.S. was on an ascendant path before Roe. We've been on a tumble since it.
Correlation, causation, we won't know for sure either way till we go without it again for a while.
The gigatons of salt from the unpaid prostitute class just makes it one of those experiments we get to enjoy.
 
The threat of court packing worked for Roosevelt.
And shit like that is why the whole country united behind term limits for Presidents. Biden also can't get the votes through Congress on a bribe package, so what makes you think something as controversial as court packing is going to have a snowball's chance in hell?
Yeah these justices are not naïve or dumb. And they are high profile enough they probably either get consulting from the feds about security, or they hire their own private security consultants, or both. No doubt as soon as the leak was evident they took off to secure locations. Now many antifa will stalk them and find them there- but I have a shadow of hope that if they went THAT far normies would start getting uncomfortable.
IIRC there's a branch of the US Marshalls specifically dedicated to protecting the Supreme Court and its justices.
 
Local communities and globalism are diametrically opposed, and the cities demand to dictate their ways everywhere. With that mindset something that happens in another state directly threatens their rootless ways if it's not how they want.

Everything that the Left has done since 2016 is pretty much predicated on never letting other people put restrictions on their rule again. It's why I laugh at the idea of 'but da left doesn't even think of what happens if it gets used against them'; it ignores the key concept that the Left has worked hard at institutional capture over the past century. They never plan on giving up that power. Pushing back against them and forcing them to cede ground is the only way you can really fight back in non-Minecraft methods.

Now, if the Biden Administration forces them to overturn this opinion? It might make things spicy if they declare the Judicial Branch subservient to the Executive Branch. What will Roberts do after that? What can Roberts do after that?
Hopefully the cuckservatives judges realize that the leftist judges have no principal and will stop legislation if it gives them a victory. Heres hoping Obiden tries something, since I'm sure the justices are realizing he will ignore them
 
And shit like that is why the whole country united behind term limits for Presidents. Biden also can't get the votes through Congress on a bribe package, so what makes you think something as controversial as court packing is going to have a snowball's chance in hell?
Oh, I think it's stupid as hell too. I also think the Administration is run by a committee of midwits that think they're way smarter than they are. If anything, I think they might try options that glow if they get real desperate.
Hopefully the cuckservatives judges realize that the leftist judges have no principal and will stop legislation if it gives them a victory. Heres hoping Obiden tries something, since I'm sure the justices are realizing he will ignore them
The biggest blow to the court has arguably already been done; the court relied on an implicit trust between the justices and that leak could have ruined that. And if the courts try to force something, "John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it!"
 
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