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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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I'm getting some mixed signals here - Wasn't the Ukr Air force supposed to be utterly, completely, 183% destroyed on the first day?

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Well that seems to get to the root of Putins unusual problem. Today Ukraine has more soldiers, more tanks, more armored and command vehicles, more drones, and way way more and better missiles than when it started. It also has more and better planes. So in spite of the bombing and pounding Ukraines capacity is steadily increasing.

While Putin appears to be getting closer and closer to running out of things. Like smart bombs. Missiles. Tanks. Large Navy Ships. Small Navy ships. Soldiers in General. Generals in General. It's a strange war to be fighting when you are the agressor, the invader, and yet as your capacity diminishes the defenders is increasing.
 
While Putin appears to be getting closer and closer to running out of things. Like smart bombs. Missiles. Tanks. Large Navy Ships. Small Navy ships. Soldiers in General. Generals in General. It's a strange war to be fighting when you are the agressor, the invader, and yet as your capacity diminishes the defenders is increasing.
Well, Putin did want to LARP the Great Patriotic War and he got it. Unfortunately for him, he's playing the Germans and without any of the early stunning successes they pulled.
 
I ripped it. How many of these little boats do the Russians have left lol?
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Little more than a dozen according to wikipedia, potentially none or 1-2 more left in the Black Sea.
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Using that argument though, with everyone the US invades, what if China tried to buddy up with Mexico and move military bases to our border. How do you think that would go? You think the US would "respect the sovereignty" of Mexico?
You are boring. You told that few weeks ago. We don't know what USA will do if ping-pong army will be present in Mexico, but we all know that Russia is a agressive shithole against every non-NATO country.

And yes, Russia will be destroyed by NATO or EU, because they make two huge mistakes:

- they didn't cooperate,
- they give evidence that they are weak.
 
That's why it's so funny to suddenly see people who once agreed with Nazis on many things suddenly use the term "Nazi" as a pejorative. They're all taking their talking points from Moscow propaganda. And these people call Ukrainian supporters NPCs. These guys make NPCs seem positively human.
Lets look at unarmed NPC above: he is just repeating his script over and over again. Just like a NPC in old RPG's, e.g. Septerra Core.
 
You are boring. You told that few weeks ago. We don't know what USA will do if ping-pong army will be present in Mexico, but we all know that Russia is a agressive shithole against every non-NATO country.

And yes, Russia will be destroyed by NATO or EU, because they make two huge mistakes:

- they didn't cooperate,
- they give evidence that they are weak.

well, aggressive against ANY country or occupied territory, including the most friendly ones, especially the friendly ones.

DNR/LNR - if RF military rides in outdated vehicles, they sweep conscript men of all ages, including 50y.o professors and send them to the front without real uniforms, in WWII surplus helmets. Lowest form of cannon fodder, literally (still) "warm bodies" who never shot a gun before.

Belarus - the only reason it's not even annexed because it's even poorer than Russia and its military is in even worse shape. Otherwise poor bastards had to host 200k invasion and let RF use their land and airstrips, which effectively means Lukashenko regime signed up for every sanction and blame that Vlad is blamed for.

Armenia - thanks to RF "friendship", got completely massacred by Azeri/Turkey in Kharabakh. Lost land, lost tons of dudes (executed from drones strikes) Had to send their "peace keepers" into Khazahstan on first demand. Azeris pushed further in and RF instead of helping withdrew more troops because they are needed for their own invasion, leaving Armenians high and dry at the worst possible moment.


Borat Khazakhstan, after being ruled for 40 years by a pro-Russian dictator said "hail no" to helping RF in Ukraine invasion. Supported sanctions and multiple times re-affirmed support for Ukrainian sovereignty. Vlad is literally been snubbed by a fucking Khazakhstan (props to them for having such poor but very large balls)



sheeeeeit Boris ....

that video published of "saved" crew from Moscow, it appears that one dude (who seem very alive in the vid) is identified by his family, which was informed that he is dead. Another conscript.


Immediately after it was released on April 16, doubts emerged about the authenticity of a video the Russian Defense Ministry said showed surviving crewmen from the guided-missile cruiser Moskva, which had sunk in the Black Sea three days earlier.

A photograph obtained by RFE/RL has deepened those doubts. It appears to be a still from the same video -- but the sailor it depicts has not returned to his family, and his mother, after initially being told he survived, was later told he was missing and still later that he was dead.

Questions about the Defense Ministry video added to the intrigue over the sinking of the Moskva, the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, which Ukraine said it hit with two Neptune missiles fired from the shore – a claim the United States has backed up.


Russia has said only that the warship sank in a storm while being towed after ammunition on board exploded -- a claim that suggests it was an accident. After nine days of silence about casualties, the Defense Ministry said that one crew member was killed, 27 were missing, and 396 were safely brought ashore.

Doubts about the accuracy of those figures have been fueled in part by the Defense Ministry video, which showed two rows of sailors who appeared to number no more than 200. But there has also been widespread speculation that the video itself was shot before the sinking, not afterwards.
The photograph sent to RFE/RL’s Siberia.Realities by an aunt of one of the sailors on board, Sergei Grudinin, 21, is some of the strongest evidence suggesting that the video is not what the Russian military made it out to be, but rather footage shot at some point before the sinking.

Looking identical to parts of the video, it shows Grudinin standing, chin up, in a row of sailors in dark uniforms and caps. A total of about 10 men are in the frame.
Grudinin’s aunt, Tatyana Grudinina, told RFE/RL’s Siberia.Realities in late April that her nephew was still missing.

She said that his mother, Tamara Grudinina, was told when she called a hotline after the sinking that her son was alive -- but that she later got a call from a man who identified himself as Vakula – the last name of the Moskva captain’s deputy – and said that he was missing.

Separately, Tamara Grudinina told the BBC that another representative of the navy called later and told her that her son had “gone down with the ship.”

RFE/RL’s Crimea.Realities contacted Grudinin’s parents in the Amur Oblast, in the Russian Far East, to ask them to confirm that the man in the photograph was their son. They said they did not want to talk to journalists, citing psychological trauma.

A cousin of Grudinin’s, Tatyana Tulupova, told the BBC that the family had last heard from him on April 10, when he said he said the ship was setting sail.
Grudinin was a conscript, meaning that, by law, he was not supposed to be sent into a combat zone. While Russia is fighting a war against Ukraine, with some of the fighting occurring along Ukraine’s Black Sea and Sea of Azov shores, the Defense Ministry has claimed that the ship was not involved in a combat operation.
Several other families have been seeking information about sailors missing following the sinking of the Moskva.
The loss of the flagship -- the worst disaster for the Russian Navy since the nuclear-powered submarine Kursk sank in 2000 -- was an embarrassing blow and one of many setbacks that the Russian military has faced since President Vladimir Putin launched a large-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24.

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Hours after every Russian fanboy's trusted news source posts this, the Ukranians post this:

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That drone got shot down, it's edited to hide it, look at 0:22, 0:43, what looks like incoming fire and the it cuts abruptly, fairly certain it's because the drone was shot down, still, i have no idea how shit russian air defense is that it only starts working after something blows up, were the operators passed out drunk?

Still, helicopter, it's cargo, pilot+crew and at least 3 visible KIAs (no way those dudes close to the heli as it blew survived), if all it took was 1 drone, worth it.
 
well, aggressive against ANY country or occupied territory, including the most friendly ones, especially the friendly ones.

DNR/LNR - if RF military rides in outdated vehicles, they sweep conscript men of all ages, including 50y.o professors and send them to the front without real uniforms, in WWII surplus helmets. Lowest form of cannon fodder, literally (still) "warm bodies" who never shot a gun before.

Belarus - the only reason it's not even annexed because it's even poorer than Russia and its military is in even worse shape. Otherwise poor bastards had to host 200k invasion and let RF use their land and airstrips, which effectively means Lukashenko regime signed up for every sanction and blame that Vlad is blamed for.

Armenia - thanks to RF "friendship", got completely massacred by Azeri/Turkey in Kharabakh. Lost land, lost tons of dudes (executed from drones strikes) Had to send their "peace keepers" into Khazahstan on first demand. Azeris pushed further in and RF instead of helping withdrew more troops because they are needed for their own invasion, leaving Armenians high and dry at the worst possible moment.


Borat Khazakhstan, after being ruled for 40 years by a pro-Russian dictator said "hail no" to helping RF in Ukraine invasion. Supported sanctions and multiple times re-affirmed support for Ukrainian sovereignty. Vlad is literally been snubbed by a fucking Khazakhstan (props to them for having such poor but very large balls)



sheeeeeit Boris ....

that video published of "saved" crew from Moscow, it appears that one dude (who seem very alive in the vid) is identified by his family, which was informed that he is dead. Another conscript.





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Belarus actually managed to escape with much less harm than Russia when it comes to the invasion, probably because they realized after the first month that Russia is fucked and are now refusing to participate in combat. Nazarbayev was never really all that pro-Russian, new guy Tokayev was way more pro-Russian than him which is why Kazakhstan's newfound resistance to Russians calling is puzzling (maybe Turkish influence? I dunno). Armenia made the mistake of trying to court NATO and flipping the bird to Russia when Pashinyan got into power and then acted shocked that Russia let them get raped as punishment when Azerbaijan decided to try and get back their occupied territory. And now it looks like they will have to give up their claims on Nagorno-Karabakh entirely and go back to the Soviet-era territorial status quo. DNR/LNR is just a fucking tragedy all around. They were once one of the most rapidly developing parts of Ukraine and now they are one of the biggest shitholes of Russia. Hell, I'm not even sure there are genuine Ukrainian separatists left there anymore, it looks like a bunch of Russian peasants that got moved in after 2014.
 
That drone got shot down, it's edited to hide it, look at 0:22, 0:43, what looks like incoming fire and the it cuts abruptly, fairly certain it's because the drone was shot down, still, i have no idea how shit russian air defense is that it only starts working after something blows up, were the operators passed out drunk?
Don't think so, it looks like they used a flash transition in editing which is why there are bright cuts before it switches to the next video. There are at least 3 separate hits recorded on that video, you can see the missiles popping off as the AA gets blown up. Russian MoD always claims that the drones got shot down "on the way back" even when there is clearly nothing left that is actually capable of detecting and destroying them. Infantry on the ground certainly can't see them, let alone hit them.
 
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Don't think so, it looks like they used a flash transition in editing which is why there are bright cuts before it switches to the next video. There are at least 3 separate hits recorded on that video, you can see the missiles popping off as the AA gets blown up. Russian MoD always claims that the drones got shot down "on the way back" even when there is clearly nothing left that is actually capable of detecting and destroying them. Infantry on the ground certainly can't see them, let alone hit them.
I was referring to what kinda looks like tracer round lines appearing from the left side just before the cut but I suppose it's possible.
 
I'm anticipating what's the next cope gonna be. Currently in addition to the usual blabbering about globohomo, nazis, overall name-calling and claiming that sanctions are actually making Russia stronger it's that Ukraine is finished as a nation even if they completely drive the Russians out.
Russia Insider, which might be satirical, could be the place to look, if it isn't satire, but plenty in other threads just repeat the Kremlin line, saving the need to look. I wonder if the new line might be that this 'special operation' makes Putin sad, so let him have his Donbass-Crimea landbridge, that he's super truly defeated the Nazis. I bet he'll announce victory on Victory Day May 9. Maybe.
 
I'm anticipating what's the next cope gonna be. Currently in addition to the usual blabbering about globohomo, nazis, overall name-calling and claiming that sanctions are actually making Russia stronger it's that Ukraine is finished as a nation even if they completely drive the Russians out.
Nukes. My father insisting so much on Putin unleashing nukes when we talked about the war few days ago. It's schizo tier shit because he also believes this war will make China invade Taiwan while Middle East flares up with war again. Dude is smart with domestic politics but extremely ignorant with Geopolitics. Many such cases
 
We don't know what USA will do if ping-pong army will be present in Mexico

If you don't know what the US would do with China putting military bases in Mexico through some "defensive pact", then you are legitimately retarded. I don't mean that in the slang way either, I mean certifiably retarded.
 
I'm getting some mixed signals here - Wasn't the Ukr Air force supposed to be utterly, completely, 183% destroyed on the first day? Did Ingest Smegma Z lie to us?

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VIDEO GAME FOOTAGE! FAKE NEWS! UKROPS LIE!!!

If you don't know what the US would do with China putting military bases in Mexico through some "defensive pact", then you are legitimately retarded. I don't mean that in the slang way either, I mean certifiably retarded.
So the US would invade Mexico BEFORE the Chicoms put any military bases there, attempt to take Mexico City and kill/capture the Mexican president?
And them proceed to fail, get driven back to the Rio Grande, meanwhile claiming the whole operation was always about Baja California, Sonora & Chihuahua all the while failing to fully take Ciudad Chihuahua thanks to fucking cartel siccarios hiding out under a factory?
During which time, fresh armaments from China, Russia, Iran, North Korea and Venezuela flow freely to Mexico without interruption and the previously quasi-neutral Mexican government now remains assuredly on the side of China?

That's what the US would do?
 
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